(01-02-2019, 06:46 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-02-2019, 02:02 AM)dissonance Wrote: Hey Shannon, Happy New Years!
What are you your thoughts on this...

While I was meditating, I kinda thought a bit about DMSI. I kinda thought to myself an analogy of why I feel FRM without H&C isn't ideal. First though, I noticed you talk a lot now about aiming to remove H&C, and only have FRM when FRM is so powerful that we don't need H&C, so that people can *finally* execute the goal of getting themselves laid. However, if I remember correctly, DMSI stands for Develop MAXIMUM Sexual Irristibility, not... get laid at all costs (ok not ALL costs, but you know what I mean). I can't imagine how one can become their MOST sexually attractive self WITHOUT healing. Or clearing. Sure, it'll help people get laid if they have no fear and just go through the actions that would lead to them getting laid, but it wouldn't shape them into the version of themselves that would be maximally sexually attractive.

What do you suppose happens when and if you execute the script fully? Sex, whatever amount you agree to. And just because you can't imagine something doesn't mean it can't be. I am aiming for a version of DMSI that does not include H&C because that seems to me to be a trap for "oh, this feels good, let's just hide here forever, endlessly healing and clearing while not really doing Jack Schitt!"

(01-02-2019, 06:46 AM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:For me, it feels like FRM without H&C is like punching my fist as hard as i can through a glass sphere that is designed to shatter into sharp shards so that I can grab a golden egg, because hell, I just don't fear the actions. FRM with H&C, I'd imagine would be like me using the neccessary tools to carve a hole in the glass to grab the egg.

What you're describing is a fear. You're basically saying, "I'm afraid that by letting go of fear, I'm going to get hurt." In other words... you're not done with FRM, and you're fighting it. You're also asking for H&C because "that will save me!" when really, H&C has so far only provided people with an excuse to heal and clear instead of execute.

Quote:Or maybe applied to a seduction scenario, maybe with only FRM, let's say I subconsciously know what to say/do/bodylanguage etc, and I do it, fearlessly. However, what i say/do/bodylanguage wouldn't have the natural, genuine, true-to-self finesse and vibe that I would have if I truly believed, felt synonymous with, embodied, felt deserving of, felt worthy of, etc of saying/doing-with-bodylanguage/having-a-certain-vocal-tonality, if I had the H&C.

There's no reason it "wouldn't have the natural, genuine, true-to-self finesse and vibe that I would have if I truly believed, felt synonymous with, embodied, felt deserving of, felt worthy of, etc of saying/doing-with-bodylanguage/having-a-certain-vocal-tonality". Fear removal isn't "pulling the wool over your eyes" and getting you to do and believe things that aren't true. It's removing the fear so you can stop hiding behind excuses like these and actually achieve the goal of the program you paid for.

Quote:What about instead of trying to have FRM replace H&C completely, just develop both to have the most individual power while being most synergistically paired, working together?

Anyways, anyone else have thoughts on this?

We are going to have development on FRM for a while yet, so regardless, it is too early to decide to scrap FRM only. DMSI-C is coming out most likely this month so I can see what FRM and H&C do together. It is possible that the combination is the answer we have been looking for. If so, yay! But I am suspicious of that because of what you guys have done in response to H&C in the past. Plus, my goal is ONE program stage with ONE "version" per release, so we don't have to have A and B and C and D and E and F and G. H&C almost certainly does not fit in with that because it apparently is much more convenient for you guys to just hide in it instead of execute, and you never want to turn it off when you're done because you're never done. It's too convenient and cozy. So my solid goal is to get rid of H&C and get your asses in gear.

(01-02-2019, 09:38 AM)dissonance Wrote:

(01-02-2019, 06:46 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-02-2019, 02:02 AM)dissonance Wrote: Hey Shannon, Happy New Years!
What are you your thoughts on this...

While I was meditating, I kinda thought a bit about DMSI. I kinda thought to myself an analogy of why I feel FRM without H&C isn't ideal. First though, I noticed you talk a lot now about aiming to remove H&C, and only have FRM when FRM is so powerful that we don't need H&C, so that people can *finally* execute the goal of getting themselves laid. However, if I remember correctly, DMSI stands for Develop MAXIMUM Sexual Irristibility, not... get laid at all costs (ok not ALL costs, but you know what I mean). I can't imagine how one can become their MOST sexually attractive self WITHOUT healing. Or clearing. Sure, it'll help people get laid if they have no fear and just go through the actions that would lead to them getting laid, but it wouldn't shape them into the version of themselves that would be maximally sexually attractive.

What do you suppose happens when and if you execute the script fully? Sex, whatever amount you agree to. And just because you can't imagine something doesn't mean it can't be. I am aiming for a version of DMSI that does not include H&C because that seems to me to be a trap for "oh, this feels good, let's just hide here forever, endlessly healing and clearing while not really doing Jack Schitt!"

I get that but wouldn't you agree that a person's level of sexual attraction would be higher if they had stronger self beliefs, less negative beliefs, and didn't have past (far past or recent past) events weighing them down with all that negative energy, causing them to subconsciously believe and think and feel negative things, etc?

(01-02-2019, 06:46 AM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:For me, it feels like FRM without H&C is like punching my fist as hard as i can through a glass sphere that is designed to shatter into sharp shards so that I can grab a golden egg, because hell, I just don't fear the actions. FRM with H&C, I'd imagine would be like me using the neccessary tools to carve a hole in the glass to grab the egg.

What you're describing is a fear. You're basically saying, "I'm afraid that by letting go of fear, I'm going to get hurt." In other words... you're not done with FRM, and you're fighting it. You're also asking for H&C because "that will save me!" when really, H&C has so far only provided people with an excuse to heal and clear instead of execute.

Quote:Or maybe applied to a seduction scenario, maybe with only FRM, let's say I subconsciously know what to say/do/bodylanguage etc, and I do it, fearlessly. However, what i say/do/bodylanguage wouldn't have the natural, genuine, true-to-self finesse and vibe that I would have if I truly believed, felt synonymous with, embodied, felt deserving of, felt worthy of, etc of saying/doing-with-bodylanguage/having-a-certain-vocal-tonality, if I had the H&C.

There's no reason it "wouldn't have the natural, genuine, true-to-self finesse and vibe that I would have if I truly believed, felt synonymous with, embodied, felt deserving of, felt worthy of, etc of saying/doing-with-bodylanguage/having-a-certain-vocal-tonality". Fear removal isn't "pulling the wool over your eyes" and getting you to do and believe things that aren't true. It's removing the fear so you can stop hiding behind excuses like these and actually achieve the goal of the program you paid for.

Quote:What about instead of trying to have FRM replace H&C completely, just develop both to have the most individual power while being most synergistically paired, working together?

Anyways, anyone else have thoughts on this?

We are going to have development on FRM for a while yet, so regardless, it is too early to decide to scrap FRM only. DMSI-C is coming out most likely this month so I can see what FRM and H&C do together. It is possible that the combination is the answer we have been looking for. If so, yay! But I am suspicious of that because of what you guys have done in response to H&C in the past. Plus, my goal is ONE program stage with ONE "version" per release, so we don't have to have A and B and C and D and E and F and G. H&C almost certainly does not fit in with that because it apparently is much more convenient for you guys to just hide in it instead of execute, and you never want to turn it off when you're done because you're never done. It's too convenient and cozy. So my solid goal is to get rid of H&C and get your asses in gear.

Hmm I see okay. What about scripting it so that it's not required for H&C to be "done" until the B-script (or D-script) kicks in? I remember you saying something like B will automatically kick in once A is done working, or something like that?

(01-02-2019, 09:05 AM)Mystic Pymp Wrote: Let me just share some of my thoughts on the DMSI 3.4 and 4.0.

I have no problem paying for an upgrade from 5.5 to 6 version of technology. I think it's fair, for anything other than you'd be expected to pay for new major release. Also Shannon has a point in saying how many versions we got for a single purchase, albeit DMSI is still experimental so it's fair. Either way we got a great deal and we have to admit it.

With that being said I think it would be better to wait a little bit longer for a new DMSI release. A long gap between 3.2 and 3.3 gave a lot of weight to the new release I think and it shows. Of course I can only speak for myself and if the general consensus is that 3.3 doesn't work then quicker update would be more than warranted. However, if all is generally fine, I think Shannon should keep doing other subs (LTU and the family, Beast etc.) and the DMSI should take a back seat for a year. Shannon is gonna do DMSI in 6 generation anyway, adding another 5.5 version would only take time possibly better spend on other projects.

(01-02-2019, 08:45 AM)Zane Wrote: Shannon do we have to buy UMOP3 again if owned the previous version UMOP2?

(01-02-2019, 09:38 AM)dissonance Wrote:

(01-02-2019, 06:46 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-02-2019, 02:02 AM)dissonance Wrote: Hey Shannon, Happy New Years!
What are you your thoughts on this...

While I was meditating, I kinda thought a bit about DMSI. I kinda thought to myself an analogy of why I feel FRM without H&C isn't ideal. First though, I noticed you talk a lot now about aiming to remove H&C, and only have FRM when FRM is so powerful that we don't need H&C, so that people can *finally* execute the goal of getting themselves laid. However, if I remember correctly, DMSI stands for Develop MAXIMUM Sexual Irristibility, not... get laid at all costs (ok not ALL costs, but you know what I mean). I can't imagine how one can become their MOST sexually attractive self WITHOUT healing. Or clearing. Sure, it'll help people get laid if they have no fear and just go through the actions that would lead to them getting laid, but it wouldn't shape them into the version of themselves that would be maximally sexually attractive.

What do you suppose happens when and if you execute the script fully? Sex, whatever amount you agree to. And just because you can't imagine something doesn't mean it can't be. I am aiming for a version of DMSI that does not include H&C because that seems to me to be a trap for "oh, this feels good, let's just hide here forever, endlessly healing and clearing while not really doing Jack Schitt!"

I get that but wouldn't you agree that a person's level of sexual attraction would be higher if they had stronger self beliefs, less negative beliefs, and didn't have past (far past or recent past) events weighing them down with all that negative energy, causing them to subconsciously believe and think and feel negative things, etc?

(01-02-2019, 06:46 AM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:For me, it feels like FRM without H&C is like punching my fist as hard as i can through a glass sphere that is designed to shatter into sharp shards so that I can grab a golden egg, because hell, I just don't fear the actions. FRM with H&C, I'd imagine would be like me using the neccessary tools to carve a hole in the glass to grab the egg.

What you're describing is a fear. You're basically saying, "I'm afraid that by letting go of fear, I'm going to get hurt." In other words... you're not done with FRM, and you're fighting it. You're also asking for H&C because "that will save me!" when really, H&C has so far only provided people with an excuse to heal and clear instead of execute.

Quote:Or maybe applied to a seduction scenario, maybe with only FRM, let's say I subconsciously know what to say/do/bodylanguage etc, and I do it, fearlessly. However, what i say/do/bodylanguage wouldn't have the natural, genuine, true-to-self finesse and vibe that I would have if I truly believed, felt synonymous with, embodied, felt deserving of, felt worthy of, etc of saying/doing-with-bodylanguage/having-a-certain-vocal-tonality, if I had the H&C.

There's no reason it "wouldn't have the natural, genuine, true-to-self finesse and vibe that I would have if I truly believed, felt synonymous with, embodied, felt deserving of, felt worthy of, etc of saying/doing-with-bodylanguage/having-a-certain-vocal-tonality". Fear removal isn't "pulling the wool over your eyes" and getting you to do and believe things that aren't true. It's removing the fear so you can stop hiding behind excuses like these and actually achieve the goal of the program you paid for.

Quote:What about instead of trying to have FRM replace H&C completely, just develop both to have the most individual power while being most synergistically paired, working together?

Anyways, anyone else have thoughts on this?

We are going to have development on FRM for a while yet, so regardless, it is too early to decide to scrap FRM only. DMSI-C is coming out most likely this month so I can see what FRM and H&C do together. It is possible that the combination is the answer we have been looking for. If so, yay! But I am suspicious of that because of what you guys have done in response to H&C in the past. Plus, my goal is ONE program stage with ONE "version" per release, so we don't have to have A and B and C and D and E and F and G. H&C almost certainly does not fit in with that because it apparently is much more convenient for you guys to just hide in it instead of execute, and you never want to turn it off when you're done because you're never done. It's too convenient and cozy. So my solid goal is to get rid of H&C and get your asses in gear.

(01-02-2019, 11:59 AM)lano1106 Wrote:

(01-02-2019, 09:05 AM)Mystic Pymp Wrote: Let me just share some of my thoughts on the DMSI 3.4 and 4.0.

I have no problem paying for an upgrade from 5.5 to 6 version of technology. I think it's fair, for anything other than you'd be expected to pay for new major release. Also Shannon has a point in saying how many versions we got for a single purchase, albeit DMSI is still experimental so it's fair. Either way we got a great deal and we have to admit it.

With that being said I think it would be better to wait a little bit longer for a new DMSI release. A long gap between 3.2 and 3.3 gave a lot of weight to the new release I think and it shows. Of course I can only speak for myself and if the general consensus is that 3.3 doesn't work then quicker update would be more than warranted. However, if all is generally fine, I think Shannon should keep doing other subs (LTU and the family, Beast etc.) and the DMSI should take a back seat for a year. Shannon is gonna do DMSI in 6 generation anyway, adding another 5.5 version would only take time possibly better spend on other projects.

I agree with everything that you said. 3.3 has been released for about a month now... This is clearly premature to discuss about a future release. A minimum testing period should at least be 3 months old. No one knows yet what 3.3 is able to do.

I guess that Shannon is reading DMSI journals to gather feedback on how well the version does. Then he will need to do some R&D to put what is needed based on the feedback...

Well, there is one thing that I think Shannon should put in next version... It is instructions to enjoy the present moment... this is clearly needed by many current DMSI users ;-)

(01-02-2019, 06:07 AM)firsthelix Wrote:

(12-20-2018, 08:05 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-19-2018, 02:35 PM)josh84 Wrote:

(12-19-2018, 07:53 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-18-2018, 10:53 PM)josh84 Wrote: Hi Shannon with 3.3 you have self confidence and self esteem all included which is one thing im hoping will start working soon obviously after 1 cycle it wasnt going to change much but you have mentioned that 4.1 is a lot faster working then the 3.2 versions do you think it will take a lot less time even for strong resistors to start seeing changes in confidence?

Since something like FRM has literally never been done before... I can't say yet. But I believe it will, yes.

Quote:I ask because having that extra confidence would of been really good this weekend, i had thoughts of approaching women but still held back, but dmsi the women are meant to show us interest first too when we start to execute.

Just curious by all your tests that you run for people that resist a lot will it still take 3 or more months to start seeing big changes and external results from women?

I don't believe there is just one "level of resistance". It's not "resistant or not". It's a spectrum. The more resistant someone is, the more fearful they will be (in some way, at some level), and the longer it will naturally take to remove their fears. I think FRM v3.x should take 3+ months. I think 4.x should take less time. I don't have enough actual evidence to know, and I haven't modeled it.

Quote:I see a lot are getting good results from looks and confidence boost and more already so thought to ask, i am using hybrid trickling stream volume is quite loud but comfortable with headphones each night while awake for the 5.5 hours no other music or videos playing during that time so i end up doing some reading. Only exception to this was for 2 days had to use ultrasonic on the cruise as the headphones kept falling off.

So you're going for the "more is better" approach, which is likely why you aren't seeing results. Too much is just as bad as too little, just for different reasons.

Calibrate the volume such that you can only faintly hear the lowest levels of ocean surf, and the highest points are comfortably loud. That is your maximum volume. Try that for a week and see what happens. If you don't start seeing more results, then take it down one notch each cycle until you do.

Thanks shannon, i will try changing the volume on vlc media player on the next cycle, tonight is the last night of trickling stream hybrid and will drop vlc media player volume to 75%. After the 2 day break will move onto ocean surf hybrid and will try between 50 and 75% and see if the lower volumes will work better for me.

Just seeing that 12 of 15 volume is recommended and others having volume up loud is why i had been doing it that way but will decrease volume for the cycles from now on and see how it goes.

Would 10% decrease be equal to one notch on a phone?

A volume of 12 is recommended for Jake. Not for everyone. There is a high correlation between a volume of 10-12-13-14-15 for Beast, but I haven't tested DMSI, etc. I am recommending 12/15 to Jake because it is known across several different programs (Beast, MIR, ARA, USLM, SE, DNWS, GPR) to be the sweet spot for execution from resistant personalities when you are using a cell phone.

You will have to use a volume meter to know what the equivalent volume is for VLC, and you have to take into account volume at the source (speaker) and distance from speaker to ear. Even that isn't perfect because some phones have speakers positioned at different distances from their microphones, which may translate into a different volume than 12.

Interesting! How does that translate for iPhone users with no volume indication?

(01-02-2019, 06:00 AM)firsthelix Wrote:

(12-20-2018, 08:00 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-19-2018, 02:33 PM)blth Wrote: Shannon can you explain a little bit how important non masturbation is on dmsi and why, how it helps the end goal etc?

Masturbation is the release of sexual energy, among other things. That sexual energy is both a form and source of energy, and a form and source of motivation to achieve sex.

When you have a lot of that sexual energy, you are motivated to do something about it. The goal is to use that energy to make yourself more sexually attractive. The way to defeat that goal is to jerk off.

DMSI is not designed to prevent you from socializing or approaching if you want to. It is designed to maximize how sexually attractive you are, and part of how it does that is by causing you to generate more sexual energy, so that there is more SEX in your aura with which to affect those around you.

The more sexual energy you have, the more sexually attractive and arousing you become, even without the help of DMSI. DMSI uses that sexual energy to achieve it's goals.

Masturbating interrupts that.

I agree! But what about masturbating without jerking off? The old Taoists and Tantrists equally have ways to pull that energy through the chakras while keeping the juice in the body. They believe everytime you ejaculate you waste some of your life energy.

(01-02-2019, 03:52 PM)Shadow2200 Wrote: My question is even with all this high tec anti fear mods healing and clearing and still we can't execute. Where is all this fear coming from and how it'd get so strong that even with the best subs in the world it still having a time at taming it?

(01-02-2019, 04:46 PM)lano1106 Wrote:

(01-02-2019, 03:52 PM)Shadow2200 Wrote: My question is even with all this high tec anti fear mods healing and clearing and still we can't execute. Where is all this fear coming from and how it'd get so strong that even with the best subs in the world it still having a time at taming it?

When I started DMSI (with 3.1 I believe), I did execute very fast and very powerfully. I got my ideal friend with benefits within 2 weeks from starting using DMSI.

Then some shit that did scared the hell out of me did happen.

And from that point, I think that I resisted DMSI.

For me, I had to consciously choose to execute. I saw a girl. I said in my mind. I want to have this girl and it did happen by magic easily.

Again for me, the prerequisite to execute is to want consciously to execute, have faith that it will happen and when I do that, it does.

I'm a bit surprised to have never seen any mention of that book in this forum but what I just said is pretty much what you can find in Psycho-cybernetics from Maxwell Maltz...

(01-02-2019, 03:52 PM)Shadow2200 Wrote: My question is even with all this high tec anti fear mods healing and clearing and still we can't execute. Where is all this fear coming from and how it'd get so strong that even with the best subs in the world it still having a time at taming it?