(09-28-2018, 08:37 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: On the other hand Shannon (this is my second cent), I do believe DMSI still needs fixing. I've been in bed with a HOT 8.5/10 woman and brought her to 3 orgasms with squirting all over her sheets and she went 180 on me and said "I don't see you that way" when I wanted to penetrate. Like, bro, that is some SERIOUSLY f*cked up shit, and something that should never happen in a million years on DMSI.

(09-29-2018, 06:13 AM)lano1106 Wrote:

(09-28-2018, 08:37 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: On the other hand Shannon (this is my second cent), I do believe DMSI still needs fixing. I've been in bed with a HOT 8.5/10 woman and brought her to 3 orgasms with squirting all over her sheets and she went 180 on me and said "I don't see you that way" when I wanted to penetrate. Like, bro, that is some SERIOUSLY f*cked up shit, and something that should never happen in a million years on DMSI.

I'm curious about this experience. When did the girl told you that she don't see you that way? Was it immediately after the 3 orgasms or some time later?

See, if you didn't penetrated her right after giving her the orgasms when she was naked in your bed, she may have been disappointed and may have become confused as most men would have ravished her right there and then.

If she said that immediately after you gave her 3 orgasms. Well, I see 2 possibilities. There is something called calibration. It is useful in social interaction but also in sexual interaction. It is the action of being aware of how the other is feeling and adjust accordingly. Let's say that you were absorbed into what you were doing to her and not paying too much attention to her, that may explain why she did tried to leave in the middle of the session with any silly excuse. IMHO, simply asking her what is going on and addressing the problem would have made situation recoverable

Otherwise, her reply is so unexpected, I would have asked her what she means exactly? Maybe it is nothing and once it is out of the way you can pursue your fun session. If the reply isn't satisfactory, it is possible that she is batshit crazy, I would have gotten upset by her selfishness and I would have thrown her out ASAP

(09-28-2018, 05:19 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-28-2018, 01:52 PM)CatMan Wrote:

(09-28-2018, 01:47 PM)samba99 Wrote: Catman,

I think what Shannon meant is your deep fears what prevented you from achieving DMSI goals.

Therefore if you execute DMSI, you will get the girls you want.

Hi Samba,

We'll see if that happens. Like I've said before, I'm so glad that I have nowhere near as much fixation on girls as long ago. This constant failure doesn't bother me nearly as much anymore. Chasing them and obsessing over them seems to have been such a massive waste of time for me. I'm much more worried about this crisis at my second company, fixing that, rather than continuing to chase girls for zero ROI. I do know I'm vastly less interested in pursuing anything anymore. Maybe that's some IDGAF outcome independence, or some kind of sense of futility, who knows.

It's your way of sabotaging DMSI.

(09-28-2018, 01:52 PM)CatMan Wrote:

(09-28-2018, 01:47 PM)samba99 Wrote: Catman,

I think what Shannon meant is your deep fears what prevented you from achieving DMSI goals.

Therefore if you execute DMSI, you will get the girls you want.

Hi Samba,

We'll see if that happens. Like I've said before, I'm so glad that I have nowhere near as much fixation on girls as long ago. This constant failure doesn't bother me nearly as much anymore. Chasing them and obsessing over them seems to have been such a massive waste of time for me. I'm much more worried about this crisis at my second company, fixing that, rather than continuing to chase girls for zero ROI. I do know I'm vastly less interested in pursuing anything anymore. Maybe that's some IDGAF outcome independence, or some kind of sense of futility, who knows.

I just get irritated with this backwards notion that I'm "denying" these awesome results I'm apparently getting meanwhile I've been snubbed constantly. So I needed to speak up.

I meant nothing bad or troll etc. with my words. Probably a bit strong, but I didn't mean anything bad. Just wanted to be truthful.

(09-29-2018, 11:57 AM)dissonance Wrote:

(09-28-2018, 01:52 PM)CatMan Wrote:

(09-28-2018, 01:47 PM)samba99 Wrote: Catman,

I think what Shannon meant is your deep fears what prevented you from achieving DMSI goals.

Therefore if you execute DMSI, you will get the girls you want.

Hi Samba,

We'll see if that happens. Like I've said before, I'm so glad that I have nowhere near as much fixation on girls as long ago. This constant failure doesn't bother me nearly as much anymore. Chasing them and obsessing over them seems to have been such a massive waste of time for me. I'm much more worried about this crisis at my second company, fixing that, rather than continuing to chase girls for zero ROI. I do know I'm vastly less interested in pursuing anything anymore. Maybe that's some IDGAF outcome independence, or some kind of sense of futility, who knows.

I just get irritated with this backwards notion that I'm "denying" these awesome results I'm apparently getting meanwhile I've been snubbed constantly. So I needed to speak up.

I meant nothing bad or troll etc. with my words. Probably a bit strong, but I didn't mean anything bad. Just wanted to be truthful.

What if deep down, you're resisting, because your true energy is not interested at all in having sex with lots of girls and/or having an abundant sex life with multiple women, and that if you took out any ego (just brainstorming), your true self would want just a committed, deep, emotionally mind body soul connection with one single female energy, rather than many meaningless sexual partners to fulfil an ego.

Maybe your idgaf attitude and lack of interest in chasing girls you are recently taking on is your inner self transforming you into the person who has the maximum sexual irresistibility level to the type of girl who you are *truly* deep down sexually attracted to, which maybe is someone who isn't just some basic high maintenance hottie (which maybe you arent actually truly attracted to; but just fulfils some pointless ego void), but someone who fulfils your desires and needs emotionally, psychologically, and sexually as well (someone who wont give a damn that you're a virgin)

Like for me, in recent weeks I've been having no interest at all in flirting with girls at my work, even though they're physically "beautiful", I have no actual deep-level sexual attraction to them, because i don't feel an emotional connection to any of them. I've had a shift as well in my own inner self and a lowering of ego and it's control over me. I haven't been flirting with them to try to make them like me or be attracted to me. I just dont care lol. Because now, I've "discovered" the type of girl who I'm actually TRULY deeply attracted to, and I've found one, and just building a connection with her now.

Or maybe I'm wrong. I'm just rambling my thoughts here.

(09-28-2018, 07:41 PM)CatMan Wrote: So, we're doing this for Friday night I guess.....alright then.

"Revisionist thinking". Well I don't remember executing such that I backpedal and claim it didn't happen. The idea of that seems ridiculous to me even, makes no sense why that would even happen. A person should be overjoyed they are executing, I know if T or S or either of the other two I dig would fully execute with me, I'd be beside myself. We'll see if that occurs someday.

Quote:To your second point. EXACTLY. Therefore, it isn't as easy as "I believe I'm attractive therefore I am now", bit more involved than that. It isn't some internal belief as the overarching factor in whether a woman finds you attractive, you still need to "pass the test" so to speak of her own filters. And also proving my point that I've said here often that women are the ultimate deciders on what is attractive in a man. Not us. They have to power to accept or reject. So all the mental masturbation in the world, doesn't compare to real life results. Glad we agree on that.

Quote:I don't believe we can "conclude" that at all. That's a theory. It's also possible this program is doing only a fraction of what it is theorised to do. And that there may be limits, whereas unless certain other things are brought to the table, all the "confidence" and "clearing and healing" in the world won't matter. I'm just not convinced its a simple formula for results anymore, given the massive amount of time the program has lagged in effectiveness for almost everyone. I've sadly just lost faith in it, I will dutifully use and test all versions as before, but I've largely given up the old fantasies I used to have about it. I've tried to report on things still in the hopes something can be taken and used for future versions, but it's hard to do when each report is always blown off or invalidated as "you're a resister, stop resisting, blah blah blah resist". Feels like there's no point in bothering. Again, as I've said before, I can't report on what doesn't happen. I'm trying my best to report what I think may be useful.

Quote:I feel the next "conclude" is a theory, based on a theory. Hard to quantify in reality. And hard to imagine a fear of success, or even why it would exist, especially when I haven't even achieved "success" or something close to it, (however that is considered to be in one's mind) with women before.

Quote:Yep 100%, definitely sure based off feedback that I'm not deemed "attractive" by women, for whatever reason. I've long since become more and more tired of trying to solve that rubik's cube that never seems to actually pan out and provide an ROI for the endless thought, energy, time and money spent on trying to get to the bottom of it. Seems to be if you have "it", you do. Like my bad boy friends that rained girls leaving me scratching my head how and why, while not seemingly "doing" anything. While also treating them like disposable trash, the girls complaining about it, but them still raining hot girls which makes no sense but I've seen it happen in front of me for decades. Then those of us in reality, live lives of quiet desperation for some reason, while allegedly being the "real man they want", it's a crock of BS. I've sometimes thought that we can "conclude" that the problem seems to be the wiring of the females in question since 3rd wave feminism, which is likely to be out of reach of a sub we are listening to. (And how unchecked hypergamy has had drastic, devastating consequences on western relationships, but we're getting off topic.) Maybe WE aren't the problem here. That revelation has been big to me. Maybe there isn't something wrong with me after all. Maybe I just don't fit in with things in this current cultural climate. Feels warm, but still doesn't solve my problem of a lack of intimacy in the end.

Quote:OH...THAT'S what you mean with the "revisionist" thing?! The [reference removed] thing? A total non issue. A funny sweet gesture she offered, things that have happened to me long before subs. I did some good things to help her out when she was in very bad straits for awhile, so she wanted to say thanks. Also, she has a boyfriend, lives with him, will probably marry him, in love with him. Has a kid with him, cute little boy, maybe another on the way someday they've spoken about. Zero issue there. Is she hot? Yes, I think one of the hottest girls I've seen before. Is she involved? Yes. Is she also super high drama with some serious red flags from the past? Yes. Are we just friends? Yes. Nothing was going on there. Even the guy knew about it. Nothing going on, no worries.

Quote:So...NO. I'm not "in denial". That whole thing confused me for awhile now, good to see I found out the background of why that was said about me. It's a complete non story. I knew there was some reason you kept saying that "denial" thing. Now I know the reason. Makes sense, but now I'm glad that's clarified. I'm here to be honest and truthful, so it bugged me the claim that I was not in some way.

Quote:You seem to have read WWWAAAYYY into that [reference removed] thing. I didn't know what you were talking about before you mentioned that story. It was such a non-issue it didn't even register with me to think of. That's why I was getting annoyed with the implication over and over and couldn't figure why. Nothing was going on there. It was a simple sweet friendly offering, to repay what I did for her back in the day. That I didn't even end up taking as I was unavailable that day. Not a big deal at all. Still talk to her and all, but nothing will happen sexually or whatever, she's involved and happy. And I'm glad for that, because for a long time, she wasn't happy and had lots of losers etc.

Quote:The "Jessica Alba" analogy was sound based off your other post. Also, I did think it was obvious at the time...but...that WAS a bit tongue in cheek, Shannon...lol! I admit I'm surprised it was taken as pure seriousness, can probably just chalk that up to the internet being what it is, so no problem. I was merely continuing said logic to the extreme to show it's conclusion. To shed light on the fact that it doesn't really work, and scale properly. And that there's more to it than that. I do not believe just being interested in women can make them interested in you. Otherwise, I wouldn't have struggled mightily with women as I have, and neither would most of the other guys here. But again, it was more tongue in cheek than anything. And because I enjoyed the brief idea of Jessica Alba being attracted to me...so...

Quote:And again, another "theory" about my lack of interest in women. As I've said in the past, it's also highly likely that I'm simply losing interest in women because: I'm 37 as of the 18th of September, naturally the libido will start dialing back, I know I've felt a big drop the last year or so. I'm also just sick and tired of chasing women and making them such a focus just to be disappointed. And that I've lost a ton of faith in this sub ever delivering, so the "urge" for it just isn't like before where I was like an addict dying for "the next version to get xyz tech, maybe now I'll execute blah blah". Not to mention the emerging feeling that women my age either have hard miles and baggage (often due to the bad boys they chose when younger instead of guys like me...) I don't think is fair to expect me to deal with. Or children from other men I also don't feel is fair to burden me with, I'd prefer to have my own, not raise some other man's. That leaves younger women, that have tons of options, are very hard to get any momentum with, as time goes on my age disparity with them grows making it more awkward to try. And I struggle to see it being realistic to have anything happen with them. So, I do sometimes feel it's "too late" now for me due to those factors. I "should" have been married with kids by now (anti-male divorce laws aside, I'm talking about normal rites of passage from earlier generations), I do envy earlier generations where they were able to do that, I at times feel screwed over. Maybe 1-2 entering high school now, but I haven't been able to make that happen. Never mind a date, that didn't even end up going anywhere, I haven't even had that before shockingly. Even if I had kids now, I'd be 50 when they are 13!!! Not sure if dealing with teenaged kids is something many 50 year olds want to handle or CAN handle. And I'd have to find "the right girl" right now, good luck with that. The longer it takes, the worse the age disparity will be. So I often wonder if it's too late. All of that, is the rationale behind why I'm not so stuck on women anymore. I will say it feels good to finally not be so "obsessed" with them, especially since that never panned out for me in success with them anyway. And just ended up making me feel bad about myself. Maybe it's more balanced now, and before it wasn't, I don't know. I do I'm clearly different than the average "I want to get laid with hot chicks, brah!" DMSI listener. So maybe that's why the perspective is so different than others.

Quote:Shannon, I meant zero drama. I just wanted to respond to the "denial etc." thing because it's been confusing to me for a long time. Last thing I wanted was an essay back and forth on a Friday night, lmao! I just saw this narrative of me over and over and over, was confused about it and kinda annoyed me as I took pride in being honest and upfront about issues guys have real difficulty talking about. To try to help the sub work someday, not just for selfish reasons, but for others too! I'm glad in a way, because now I know the REASON for you thinking that about me. This is all squared away with me, just FYI. Seems to be down to a misinterpretation of the [reference removed] story, so I'm fine now. And, as usual, this will boil down to "the next version", using it and testing it and seeing if it's different. Which I will naturally do. I'm on break since your post to stop listening to 5.5G to prepare for it.

We all await V3.3 sometime. All the best.

(09-28-2018, 08:37 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Lol, always when another DMSI is just around the corner, we get things like this.

I just wanted to throw 2 cents in and then be on my way.

First of all, CatMan, while I understand your frustrations (having been a virgin myself into my late 20's), I still find it odd, and even a bit funny that you say things like this:

(09-28-2018, 07:41 PM)CatMan Wrote: Like my bad boy friends that rained girls leaving me scratching my head how and why, while not seemingly "doing" anything. While also treating them like disposable trash, the girls complaining about it, but them still raining hot girls […]

I mean, here you've noticed a character trait that women seem attracted to but instead of snap your fingers and say "Gee, maybe THAT'S what I need to do more of..." you "scratch your head". Seriously dude, Wtf?

I learned a long time ago to stop wondering "why" and just accept the facts and incorporate them into my character. And it WORKS, so to me, you have no excuse here. You're literally saying "I have a piece of the puzzle but I'm not going to use it".


On the other hand Shannon (this is my second cent), I do believe DMSI still needs fixing. I've been in bed with a HOT 8.5/10 woman and brought her to 3 orgasms with squirting all over her sheets and she went 180 on me and said "I don't see you that way" when I wanted to penetrate. Like, bro, that is some SERIOUSLY f*cked up shit, and something that should never happen in a million years on DMSI.

Quote:I know you'll say "Sarge, you have to [insert Sarge's responsibility here]" BUT, may I remind you that ANYTHING you can fill in that box is possible for me to do WITHOUT DMSI, therefore the program becomes useless unless it can achieve something I cannot do on my own. Like a drill, I only buy tools that help me achieve what I cannot do on my own. This goes for subs as you yourself have said before: they are a tool.

Anyhow, that's it from me. Hope you guys have a great weekend.

(09-29-2018, 05:17 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-28-2018, 08:37 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Lol, always when another DMSI is just around the corner, we get things like this.

I just wanted to throw 2 cents in and then be on my way.

First of all, CatMan, while I understand your frustrations (having been a virgin myself into my late 20's), I still find it odd, and even a bit funny that you say things like this:

(09-28-2018, 07:41 PM)CatMan Wrote: Like my bad boy friends that rained girls leaving me scratching my head how and why, while not seemingly "doing" anything. While also treating them like disposable trash, the girls complaining about it, but them still raining hot girls […]

I mean, here you've noticed a character trait that women seem attracted to but instead of snap your fingers and say "Gee, maybe THAT'S what I need to do more of..." you "scratch your head". Seriously dude, Wtf?

I learned a long time ago to stop wondering "why" and just accept the facts and incorporate them into my character. And it WORKS, so to me, you have no excuse here. You're literally saying "I have a piece of the puzzle but I'm not going to use it".


On the other hand Shannon (this is my second cent), I do believe DMSI still needs fixing. I've been in bed with a HOT 8.5/10 woman and brought her to 3 orgasms with squirting all over her sheets and she went 180 on me and said "I don't see you that way" when I wanted to penetrate. Like, bro, that is some SERIOUSLY f*cked up shit, and something that should never happen in a million years on DMSI.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you flat out ignore her when she told you before anything happened that she didn't want sex with you, and instead try to tell her that you were going to have sex regardless? What the hell did you expect, man?

(09-29-2018, 05:17 PM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:I know you'll say "Sarge, you have to [insert Sarge's responsibility here]" BUT, may I remind you that ANYTHING you can fill in that box is possible for me to do WITHOUT DMSI, therefore the program becomes useless unless it can achieve something I cannot do on my own. Like a drill, I only buy tools that help me achieve what I cannot do on my own. This goes for subs as you yourself have said before: they are a tool.

Anyhow, that's it from me. Hope you guys have a great weekend.

Since it is only a list of instructions, and you have to be able to do those instructions to achieve the results, you would logically have to be able to do them without DMSI, thus logically rendering DMSI useless to you according to your own logic, and making me wonder, why are you using it? Clearly your logic doesn't work here.

(09-29-2018, 06:58 PM)RTBoss Wrote: I just want to say this about DMSI:

A.) The sales pages clearly states that it's experimental.

B.) Just because you haven't achieved the design goal with DMSI, doesn't mean others haven't. So is it DMSI, or is it you?

Even *I* haven't achieved design goal, unless you count my wife. I know why I haven't, and I have resisted each version up to this point. Shannon told me, many versions ago, that I may find ways to resist the entire 3.x line. But (!) I'm not going around blaming the program. He's working diligently on adjusting the program, with each successive version, to work for most everyone. As this happens, 6G comes closer to fruition. I'm happy to be a part of that, myself. Furthermore, the value I've received has far outweighed the investment.