(07-14-2018, 02:27 AM)Morgul Wrote:

(07-09-2018, 12:09 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(07-09-2018, 12:01 PM)Shannon Wrote: @sarge You mean there's no other explanation that you can see or bring yourself to believe. Black and white thinking. "There are always reasons and options that are not obvious. Therefore, never make snap judgements."

If I get results immediately after using pua, it’s pretty obvious.

I don't know whether you will be open to know the truth or not, because you seem to reject most everything that points to the truth (surely unintentionally), but I'll try to point at it in some other way. Maybe you can start accepting these facts that you can't seem to see so far, but others who are aware of them, can see these from the way you talk.

PUA has worked for you because of bypassing the need for you to change your negative beliefs about yourself. You might have, but you won't find natural attraction, until those layers of negative beliefs about yourself (as a man) are (at least partly) cleared. When natural attraction does happen to you, you don't see it and therefore you can't use it to challenge your existing mindset.

This is a diagram to explain this:

You
---------- Negative faith about yourself
Women

In this situation above, you are doing nothing, and nothing seems to happen. You see no attraction whatsoever. What you can't see is the barrier that is blocking the possibility of any attraction.

(07-12-2018, 11:46 AM)Zane Wrote:

(07-12-2018, 09:51 AM)THolt Wrote: This is why the forum is getting wearisome. You guys argue like a bunch of high schoolers and I’m pretty sure none of y’all still in high school. You guys need to take this to the chatter box and y’all can duke it out there.
Let’s talk DSMI, 6G, B17, focusfires and other topics more conducive to coversation

How about we make a Telegram Group? Wont that be Awesome. Shannon..Ben What do u say?

(07-12-2018, 04:15 PM)jonathan4all Wrote:

(07-12-2018, 03:21 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: As long as Procrastination and the fear associated with this and with doing things until the very last minute are dealt with, then im open to all and any sub suggestions.

Procrastination kills more human potentiality than two world wars

(07-12-2018, 08:38 AM)mat422 Wrote: This thread has gone off the rails

(07-14-2018, 06:08 AM)lano1106 Wrote:

(07-14-2018, 02:27 AM)Morgul Wrote:

(07-09-2018, 12:09 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(07-09-2018, 12:01 PM)Shannon Wrote: @sarge You mean there's no other explanation that you can see or bring yourself to believe. Black and white thinking. "There are always reasons and options that are not obvious. Therefore, never make snap judgements."

If I get results immediately after using pua, it’s pretty obvious.

I don't know whether you will be open to know the truth or not, because you seem to reject most everything that points to the truth (surely unintentionally), but I'll try to point at it in some other way. Maybe you can start accepting these facts that you can't seem to see so far, but others who are aware of them, can see these from the way you talk.

PUA has worked for you because of bypassing the need for you to change your negative beliefs about yourself. You might have, but you won't find natural attraction, until those layers of negative beliefs about yourself (as a man) are (at least partly) cleared. When natural attraction does happen to you, you don't see it and therefore you can't use it to challenge your existing mindset.

This is a diagram to explain this:

You
---------- Negative faith about yourself
Women

In this situation above, you are doing nothing, and nothing seems to happen. You see no attraction whatsoever. What you can't see is the barrier that is blocking the possibility of any attraction.

Ok, I am going to disclose something about me. Everyone knows Sarge is a salesman. I am a marketer and we appear to be the strongest defender of PUA.

I do not think that this is a coincidence and I do not think that it is because we have negative belief about ourselves (at least for me but I am pretty sure Sarge feels the same).

It is because we use sales techniques and influence principles EVERYDAY and we see how mastering these tools is successful in influencing others. Mastering this skill can literally make or break our business. THAT is the belief we have. Those tools are effective.

Again, every time that I talk about this topic, I try very hard to use a lot nuance. I am not saying well, be fake and use gimmicks to convince a woman to sleep with you which will later have the buyer's remorse of having done what you lead her to.

It is very possible to be real and attractive AND still use those deep, proven, real, psychological influence principles to accelerate the outcome, to push someone who is on the fence about you in the right direction, and so on...

(07-14-2018, 08:46 AM)Have at ye Wrote: Yeah, most PUA aficionados have a background in marketing, as far as I can tell - especially those *selling* it.

I'm not saying these methods are not effective means of persuasion, but let me tell you - nobody likes being played or gamed, especially when they can see - plain as day - that they are being played or gamed. And attractive women, at least those who are not total morons, utter damage cases or very young and sheltered, can tell. They play this game all the time; you're trying to outgame them at what is, in essence, their behavioral survival mechanism.

I learned this, as per the usual, the hard way - as in, getting gamed until a point where I decided *no more*.

I now have a so called "bitch-shield", too, because of all that, lol.

EDIT

What I'd like to say is this - persuasion, when it's healthy and for the mutual benefit of both parties involved, is fine. Using persuasive tools to, in fact, CON someone, is not.

(07-14-2018, 08:59 AM)lano1106 Wrote:

(07-14-2018, 08:46 AM)Have at ye Wrote: Yeah, most PUA aficionados have a background in marketing, as far as I can tell - especially those *selling* it.

I'm not saying these methods are not effective means of persuasion, but let me tell you - nobody likes being played or gamed, especially when they can see - plain as day - that they are being played or gamed. And attractive women, at least those who are not total morons, utter damage cases or very young and sheltered, can tell. They play this game all the time; you're trying to outgame them at what is, in essence, their behavioral survival mechanism.

I learned this, as per the usual, the hard way - as in, getting gamed until a point where I decided *no more*.

I now have a so called "bitch-shield", too, because of all that, lol.

EDIT

What I'd like to say is this - persuasion, when it's healthy and for the mutual benefit of both parties involved, is fine. Using persuasive tools to, in fact, CON someone, is not.

There is a very good book called 'Forbidden keys to Persuasion' from Blair Warren that spend the first chapter to eloquently convince you that essentially everyone spend their whole life influencing others.

So we agree on this. Persuasion isn't bad. Only the intent behind it can be.

The sooner you accept that truth, the better you will be. There is nothing bad in influencing others.

As you said, people will resist suggestions that they don't see as coming from them. This is bad persuasion.

A successful persuasion is the one where people think that it is their own idea.

(07-14-2018, 04:57 AM)guybrush Wrote:

(07-14-2018, 02:27 AM)Morgul Wrote: With PUA you are doing this:

You --- \ Unnatural connection (but partly natural as well) forced, via unnatural tricks
-------- # to bypass your negative mindset about yourself, which is reinforced by
Women / this kind of actions


The thing that you cannot see is the --------- barrier, the one that prevents you from having and seeing natural attraction with women, where you literally have to do nothing to find that attraction. You need to question and challenge the mindset you keep about yourself that you normally cannot see it. It's faith that you have about you not being attractive to women all on your own, without having to do any actions; and who knows which other kind of negative layers, such as shame, guilt, sex not being okay, sexuality doesn't just "happen"...

If you think logically, you will be able to easily admit that you believe things like "I am not attractive to women just by myself". Correct? Well, those are the kind of beliefs that conform that barrier. "Women don't want me" is a big one for you, it seems, because you mentioned that it hurts... removing this particular belief, and clearing the emotions of that pain, will do wonders for you (my guess, knowing how these things work).

Morgul's explanation about believes and reinforcing that barrier is kind of related to something I have been pondering lately.

Basically, DMSI creates insane amounts of attraction in women around me, but as a result, I'm developing a belief that it is all fake and they are not really attracted to me, but to the aura that DMSI creates (based on the HUGELY obvious difference in attraction between with and without DMSI). So in a kind of convoluted way, it reinforces my believes such as "I am not attractive to women just by myself" and I'm only bypassing that barrier in an unnatural way. Have thoughts like this occured to anyone else here?

I'm using ver. A by the way.

(07-14-2018, 09:20 AM)dissonance Wrote: @Thor....

doing 7 loops during sleep, would you say your sleep quality is affected at all? Or you can't tell? Do you keep track of how many hours a night you sleep exactly (give or take)? If so, do you feel you need more sleep now that you're running 7 loops DMSI at night during sleep?

(07-14-2018, 02:27 AM)Morgul Wrote:

(07-09-2018, 12:09 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(07-09-2018, 12:01 PM)Shannon Wrote: @sarge You mean there's no other explanation that you can see or bring yourself to believe. Black and white thinking. "There are always reasons and options that are not obvious. Therefore, never make snap judgements."

If I get results immediately after using pua, it’s pretty obvious.

I don't know whether you will be open to know the truth or not, because you seem to reject most everything that points to the truth (surely unintentionally), but I'll try to point at it in some other way. Maybe you can start accepting these facts that you can't seem to see so far, but others who are aware of them, can see these from the way you talk.

PUA has worked for you because of bypassing the need for you to change your negative beliefs about yourself. You might have, but you won't find natural attraction, until those layers of negative beliefs about yourself (as a man) are (at least partly) cleared. When natural attraction does happen to you, you don't see it and therefore you can't use it to challenge your existing mindset.

This is a diagram to explain this:

You
---------- Negative faith about yourself
Women

In this situation above, you are doing nothing, and nothing seems to happen. You see no attraction whatsoever. What you can't see is the barrier that is blocking the possibility of any attraction.

Natural seduction happens like this:

You
| -------- Natural connection, and rest of mindset that isn't preventing you from it now
Women

With PUA you are doing this:

You --- \ Unnatural connection (but partly natural as well) forced, via unnatural tricks
-------- # to bypass your negative mindset about yourself, which is reinforced by
Women / this kind of actions


The thing that you cannot see is the --------- barrier, the one that prevents you from having and seeing natural attraction with women, where you literally have to do nothing to find that attraction. You need to question and challenge the mindset you keep about yourself that you normally cannot see it. It's faith that you have about you not being attractive to women all on your own, without having to do any actions; and who knows which other kind of negative layers, such as shame, guilt, sex not being okay, sexuality doesn't just "happen"...

If you think logically, you will be able to easily admit that you believe things like "I am not attractive to women just by myself". Correct? Well, those are the kind of beliefs that conform that barrier. "Women don't want me" is a big one for you, it seems, because you mentioned that it hurts... removing this particular belief, and clearing the emotions of that pain, will do wonders for you (my guess, knowing how these things work).

That ------ barrier is in your ego, and as such it doesn't want to be seen, because it's the way you believe yourself to be, and it doesn't want to change because your ego believes that mindset itself is you. Until you start clearing that barrier, you most probably will never notice any natural attraction between you and women. Even if it happens, you won't admit it. Remember, your ego holds that barrier and doesn't want it to change. It must be you deciding to clear it what can set you free.

I wish that helps clarify this to you. When you look at these diagrams, you will know exactly what you should change in order to have what you really want (natural attraction): dig holes on that f***king mental wall.

(07-14-2018, 12:46 PM)thor2014 Wrote:

(07-14-2018, 02:27 AM)Morgul Wrote:

(07-09-2018, 12:09 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(07-09-2018, 12:01 PM)Shannon Wrote: @sarge You mean there's no other explanation that you can see or bring yourself to believe. Black and white thinking. "There are always reasons and options that are not obvious. Therefore, never make snap judgements."

If I get results immediately after using pua, it’s pretty obvious.

I don't know whether you will be open to know the truth or not, because you seem to reject most everything that points to the truth (surely unintentionally), but I'll try to point at it in some other way. Maybe you can start accepting these facts that you can't seem to see so far, but others who are aware of them, can see these from the way you talk.

PUA has worked for you because of bypassing the need for you to change your negative beliefs about yourself. You might have, but you won't find natural attraction, until those layers of negative beliefs about yourself (as a man) are (at least partly) cleared. When natural attraction does happen to you, you don't see it and therefore you can't use it to challenge your existing mindset.

This is a diagram to explain this:

You
---------- Negative faith about yourself
Women

In this situation above, you are doing nothing, and nothing seems to happen. You see no attraction whatsoever. What you can't see is the barrier that is blocking the possibility of any attraction.

Natural seduction happens like this:

You
| -------- Natural connection, and rest of mindset that isn't preventing you from it now
Women

With PUA you are doing this:

You --- \ Unnatural connection (but partly natural as well) forced, via unnatural tricks
-------- # to bypass your negative mindset about yourself, which is reinforced by
Women / this kind of actions


The thing that you cannot see is the --------- barrier, the one that prevents you from having and seeing natural attraction with women, where you literally have to do nothing to find that attraction. You need to question and challenge the mindset you keep about yourself that you normally cannot see it. It's faith that you have about you not being attractive to women all on your own, without having to do any actions; and who knows which other kind of negative layers, such as shame, guilt, sex not being okay, sexuality doesn't just "happen"...

If you think logically, you will be able to easily admit that you believe things like "I am not attractive to women just by myself". Correct? Well, those are the kind of beliefs that conform that barrier. "Women don't want me" is a big one for you, it seems, because you mentioned that it hurts... removing this particular belief, and clearing the emotions of that pain, will do wonders for you (my guess, knowing how these things work).

That ------ barrier is in your ego, and as such it doesn't want to be seen, because it's the way you believe yourself to be, and it doesn't want to change because your ego believes that mindset itself is you. Until you start clearing that barrier, you most probably will never notice any natural attraction between you and women. Even if it happens, you won't admit it. Remember, your ego holds that barrier and doesn't want it to change. It must be you deciding to clear it what can set you free.

I wish that helps clarify this to you. When you look at these diagrams, you will know exactly what you should change in order to have what you really want (natural attraction): dig holes on that f***king mental wall.

This is exactly what I have been saying all along. Its like using a pair of crutches to walk rather then allowing the legs to heal so you can naturally walk.

(07-14-2018, 01:54 PM)kingpill Wrote: Anyone else starting to like their rage episodes they get on DMSI?