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RE: Max X EPRHA 2.0 - CatMan - 10-21-2016
(10-21-2016, 06:21 PM)maxx55 Wrote: No, I definitely wouldn't just stand there and watch some other guy get laid. If I'm not in the action, I wouldn't watch lol.
And okay, CatMan. I know I've said it before...but I will seriously seriously make the effort to drop porn.
Is it okay to fantasize and masturbate? I have a good imagination.
I just hope DMSI doesn't make me any more horny than I already am.
That's the way to think about it, reframe it to going to a dude's house and watching up close while he gets it in, lmao. That's what I started thinking of it as!
Honestly? Fantasising can be normal to do, just as long as you don't spend tons of time doing it, like it becomes a substitute for the porn-fueled imagery. Masturbation, well, many guys say that after beating porn, they have far less interest in masturbation, like their urge to do it was fueled by the porn superstimulus and after they stopped they went back to a normal libido. They seem to be tied together. Most guys have huge issues getting rid of porn, and finding masturbation easy to stop after they've rid themselves of porn. I was the opposite, I found porn pretty simple to get rid of after getting my eyes opened up after that video, but by comparison the masturbation and edging were VERY difficult for me to get rid of. Especially edging, which only has a counter of 113 days by comparison so you can see I struggled with it for quite awhile. I used Overcome Pornography Addiction 4G, but not for too long. I decided to concentrate my conscious mind on porn addiction, and use Stop Masturbating 4G to remove the bigger of the two demons full-time. It didn't help with the edging though, that's one addition I will suggest Shannon adds to the next version. The edging urges randomly got progressively removed during E2, something I'm very grateful for. Once I got into the habit the first week or so, I'm good now, it's smooth sailing.
So for now, I'd concentrate on porn removal. That's the first step, then see how your body reacts. It may be like most guys, and masturbation may go by the boards alongside porn. If not, you can do what I did, Stop Masturbating 4G is a gem program and cut it out for me. I'm willing to bet edging won't be the problem for you it was for me, especially since you've done WAY more E2 than I have and edging was removed by E2 for me within 50 days.
RE: Max X EPRHA 2.0 - maxx55 - 10-21-2016
I actually find that if I interact with a girl I'd like to have sex with during the week, I'm not nearly as driven to look at porn. I think it's because my mind thinks that sex is around the corner so porn isn't necessary. I know if I had a girl, I'd drop porn without a thought.
But you've definitely made your point about the negative effects. So regardless I'm just gonna drop it. I just hope DMSI will help me out a bit with bringing a real girl into my bed.
RE: Max X EPRHA 2.0 - CatMan - 10-21-2016
(10-21-2016, 07:38 PM)maxx55 Wrote: I actually find that if I interact with a girl I'd like to have sex with during the week, I'm not nearly as driven to look at porn. I think it's because my mind thinks that sex is around the corner so porn isn't necessary. I know if I had a girl, I'd drop porn without a thought.
But you've definitely made your point about the negative effects. So regardless I'm just gonna drop it. I just hope DMSI will help me out a bit with bringing a real girl into my bed.
That's exactly it! It's a substitute for the real thing, I'm glad you can SEE that. Good! That should make getting rid of it easier. I'm sure most guys would rather a real life girl, than jerking it watching another guy get laid...
Excellent. I've PM'd with you about DMSI, so I'll leave that be. V3 will hopefully be a step in the right direction with that issue.
RE: Max X EPRHA 2.0 - wolverine_i_am - 10-21-2016
(10-21-2016, 07:38 PM)maxx55 Wrote: I actually find that if I interact with a girl I'd like to have sex with during the week, I'm not nearly as driven to look at porn. I think it's because my mind thinks that sex is around the corner so porn isn't necessary. I know if I had a girl, I'd drop porn without a thought.
If you act in such a way that you know you're gonna have sex, then it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that makes it happen. This is what fueled my decision to quit porn.
RE: Max X EPRHA 2.0 - maxx55 - 10-21-2016
Oh yeah.
Minor Update
I forgot to mention this, but over the past week I continued to have E2 like dreams. The ones that are very realistic and relate to some kind of deep issue. One specifically I recall was based on how I plan to pay back my parents for the money they invested in me, but if they get on my nerves I'd ignore them because I'd be totally financially independent and have paid them back what they put in me. That one was a couple of nights ago.
The dream from last night may have just been my hopes. But I had a dream that I was running DMSI and as I passed by this specific hot girl at my college that I mentally chose her and she would stop, turn around, and stare at me smiling. Not getting my hopes up, but it was a pleasant dream.