(01-05-2016, 10:20 AM)Whisperer Wrote: Wow, those were some heavy 8 pages. So here's my take:

First, I despise the p-word, so I will call it what I saw someone else call it, the Morality Clause. Far better, since this is primarily a case of right or wrong. Which, in the end, is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm a proponent of the 'if it's worth it, buy it'-camp. So in my mind/opinion, the phrasing should be more along the lines of:
"Once/When/After/As soon as I have perceived the positive/beneficial value this program has brought me/my life, I feel amazing/fulfilled about having purchased this product from the author's website."
Perceived value is global enough, even the placebo effect will trigger that. The past tense (manifestation-style) phrasing will either create an incongruity that the subconscious needs to correct by purchasing the product, or will have no effect since the listener has already bought the product.
Now, my self-dialogue is a bit rusty, and it takes a lot of re-reads to turn it into something workable, but that's the general idea.
The challenge would be that it would also affect third-party listeners (which technically the current script also does). It would create that uncomfortable feeling and yet they have no idea what it is they need to buy to fix it.

As much as I love the idea of educating users, I can tell you that many content-sharers are more aware of the ins and outs of copyright laws than your paying customers, and thanks to the nauseating efforts by the music and movie industry hold said copyright laws in very low regard. Mostly because they see how easily copyright laws get abused against both the content-sharers as well as the actual authors/actors/entertainers/writers etc. These people are the kind of people that support bands that use the pay-what-you-think-its-worth system and the independent artists.

Next, when it comes to the idea of disabling the effects of the sub, I'd highly recommend against it. The self-development community may have exploded (and since popped) over the past decade, but it is still much like a village where everyone knows one-another and values each other's recommendation. Nowhere more so than in the morally grey area of content-sharing. Allow one member of that village to experience the positive effects of the sub, and they will shout it off the rooftops to the others.
Yes, there will be people that leech it just because they can. But they wouldn't pay 500 USD anyway, let alone the estimated price-tag for 6G. Will there be people that can't afford it and so pitch together to buy it? Yes, there will be. That group will be the most vocal in their support and glowing recommendations. They will speak of the wonders of subliminals and make others aware that there is a site called subliminal-shop. A site those others would otherwise have never looked for. Now you've got this influx of people, all intrigued, many likely supportive, wanting to contribute or give back, monetary or otherwise. If even a quarter of them end up purchasing the product (because quite a few of this particular community are actually pretty decent people), it'll still be more than you'd have if that community had not existed or your subs had not worked for them.

So, educate, gently guide towards the shopping cart, but don't shut the program down.

Finally, be careful with those refuse statements. I cringe just reading them. It's the same with the word decide. The finality and inflexibility of those words hit resistance. You know best, of course, but I literally get a physical reaction, like hitting a wall or having a bucket of ice-water dropped over me. I know a NLP practitioner that loves throwing me embedded commands and anchors just to see me react.

Guys, I am reminded of a post Shannon made in the first thread about this topic. He pointed out that you are asking him, a relative stranger, to reprogram your brain with code you cannot hear. No matter how many scripts are published, for some of us, there will always be that nagging doubt that there's a discrepancy between the script and the audio file. And you know what? There may very well be. As long as you don't record them word for word yourself or manipulate the audio to make everything audible somehow, you'll never know. Personally, I'd like to believe my subconscious and the universe are powerful enough to prevent me from turning into a raving serpent-god worshiping lunatic. Just like they are smart enough to realize what I mean by Attract My Perfect Mate without going into every tiny detail.

You can either trust, or not. Your choice. Creating all these conspiracy theories doesn't change the fact that you simultaneously experience the desire for the quick fix these products can offer and the fear of the unknown. You'd be running around in circles, still having doubts even if a 1001 chimpanzees on a 1001 typewriters committed the collected works of Shannon L Matteson to paper.

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Shannon, I have scoured a lot of threads with your posts in them, and I was hoping you'd help me understand your mindset a bit better.

You obviously believe in the LoA, which implicitly includes a belief in abundance. You even devoted yourself to this huge multi-year, part manifestation program. And yet you often make limiting statements. You claim 9 out of 10 people that learn your secrets will inevitably use it against you or steal from you or take away your profit, as if there's not enough to go around. And that's the lucky few people whose brain can operate at your level. Earlier in this thread, you were considering using our energy/focus for manifestation to benefit you, which would be consensual (we'd have forewarning), but probably not voluntary.

In the same train of thought, you refer to yourself as a scientist as well as an entrepreneur, two things that oppose one another. A true scientist seeks to evolve their chosen field by publishing and collaborative efforts, an entrepreneur seeks mostly personal gain (if the means by which this is done helps others, it's a happy side-effect). You admit yourself you may be years ahead of anyone else in the field, yet you give me the impression you'll take it to the grave and set the field back a decade.

I've been reading as many of your posts as I could find to learn and to understand so that I too may grow, but I keep noticing this conflict. Am I just misinterpreting?

(01-05-2016, 10:17 AM)TheRealJustin Wrote: Also, this line here concerns me:

I am now consciously aware of all the positive effects this program has had and is having on me, and I attribute them all to this program.

Makes me think maybe I just give subs credit for things they don't deserve credit for just because something happened while I was running the sub.

If the subs work they will speak for themselves there's no need for a line like that.

I know that line supposedly only goes into programs with 'the naturalizer' but what's to stop him from putting it in every program anyways so basically every little positive thing that happens in our lives we give thanks and praise to Shannon because our brains are basically forced to credit him for everything good that happens while we are running a sub, lol man this is just too much unneeded stuff.

If you're going to be a sub producer, just create some awesome subs without all this extra bullsh*t, or else if you need the extra crap then don't charge for your subs, just give them out for free, but warn people of all the extra stuff you have in the subs that they most likely will not want getting programmed into their subconscious mind.

(01-05-2016, 01:59 PM)Survivor Wrote:

(01-05-2016, 10:17 AM)TheRealJustin Wrote: Also, this line here concerns me:

I am now consciously aware of all the positive effects this program has had and is having on me, and I attribute them all to this program.

Makes me think maybe I just give subs credit for things they don't deserve credit for just because something happened while I was running the sub.

If the subs work they will speak for themselves there's no need for a line like that.

I know that line supposedly only goes into programs with 'the naturalizer' but what's to stop him from putting it in every program anyways so basically every little positive thing that happens in our lives we give thanks and praise to Shannon because our brains are basically forced to credit him for everything good that happens while we are running a sub, lol man this is just too much unneeded stuff.

If you're going to be a sub producer, just create some awesome subs without all this extra bullsh*t, or else if you need the extra crap then don't charge for your subs, just give them out for free, but warn people of all the extra stuff you have in the subs that they most likely will not want getting programmed into their subconscious mind.

'I am now consciously aware of all the positive effects this program has had and is having on me, and I attribute them all to this program.
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You know what, what I find amusing is that even though there are such lines in the script, Shannon still takes his time to say to people for whom a particular sub hasn't worked that 'it is partly because of the naturaliser, it is subtle'.Considering there are such obvious lines in the sub the naturaliser doesn't even need acknowledgement..

This is like a line that says 'I am now consciosly aware that the program is working /making impact/whatever for me'- How can we know if there isn't such lines in the subs ? The truth is we can never know, even if we feel there is such thing! Such a line could very much, as you say, trigger you to give credit for any little thing that happens , with that wording it sounds pretty powerful and all-encompassing.

(12-31-2015, 02:14 PM)Shannon Wrote: "Paying in another way" was originally designed to be the expression of energy out into the universe to do good as a way to balance the negative effects of the act of piracy.

(12-09-2014, 11:19 PM)Shannon Wrote: Leon appears to be one of those. But, rest assured, he is paying for it in another way. He's just not aware enough to notice how. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You'd rather pay the monetary price, than pay the price the AP code extracts. Either way, I get paid. Only a fool tests me on that point and decides not to pay for the program.

(12-09-2014, 11:19 PM)Shannon Wrote: Leon appears to be one of those. But, rest assured, he is paying for it in another way. He's just not aware enough to notice how. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You'd rather pay the monetary price, than pay the price the AP code extracts. Either way, I get paid. Only a fool tests me on that point and decides not to pay for the program.

(01-05-2016, 06:21 PM)Survivor Wrote: I noticed an interesting pattern.
It all started with how Shannon, in an attempt to stop the emerging discussion of the AP code, told RealJustin that the AntiPiracy measures affect only his subs, yet in the FAQ it was written they affect piracy in general. If you have read th thread:'Am6 did not work' where the whole Ap code disscussion started, you'll know.
Then there was this sudden discovery by Shannon that only the educational part made it in the scripts of the programs.He hasn't realised it was only it, he 'thought the paying in another way was also there'.For 2 years he hasn't realised this? What scientist are you then, I thought you are a careful scripter.What also raised my red flags was that you usually don't jump so fast into conclusions- how can you possibly be sure it is only the educational part if you haven't checked the script of your every program? You don't usually jump to conclusions so fast, and unless you are 100% sure..Possibly another attempt to stop the AP code disscussion, and possibly a deceit..
And then we had a post of Shannon in which he said one of the reasons the Ap code won't be revealed is because the pirates could find a way to beat it.Yet, he gladly posted the new AP script and the old AP script.I don't know for you but this screams 'DECEIT' to me.Either this is only a very small part of the AP code, or it is not the Ap code at all. See above.

(12-31-2015, 02:14 PM)Shannon Wrote:

There are too many misleadings, so much as it is becoming a pattern.
Take a look at post #86 and post #89 of the thread 'Am6 did not work' by pcprepair951{I can't quote them because the thread is closed , I've posted them below) What I find ALARMING is how Shannon for years defends his AP code, tells left and right it is a strongly-protected secret, and that if he shares it pirates may find a way to disregard it and bypass it (as we'll see in the following posts below) , yet out of the blue he gladly and almost happily shares both the new and the old AP code. And this old AP code is only 4-5 statements and NO paying in another way as mentioned.Hard to believe this is the full Ap code, Shannon just takes the approach'If I don't tell them it is not the full Ap code, I haven't lied.. simply because I haven't mentioned it at all'.{ and if someone can find me the post where Shannon says the Ap script is around 3% of the program It will give a lot to this case! These 4-5 statements are merely less than 1% of even the 4G programs, not to mention compared to 5Gs..}

post 86#
(Shannon):' Maybe because knowing that information could perhaps make it less useful for it's intended purpose? Perhaps knowing what it says would help pirates defeat it? So it's a secret. And unless I can find a way to release without making it easier to defeat, it's probably going to stay a secret.
'

post 89#
(Shannon)' The AP code is a secret in an effort to keep it from being easier to bypass. It is not easy to bypass, but if there were enough known about it, and it were sufficiently intelligent person attempting to do so, it might be possible. It's not advertising or stuff like that.
(and many others posts like these around the forum 'Ap code is secret, secret secret')
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(12-31-2015, 02:14 PM)Shannon Wrote: "Paying in another way" was originally designed to be the expression of energy out into the universe to do good as a way to balance the negative effects of the act of piracy.

Expression of energy? Where does that energy come from, THE ONLY POSSIBLE SOURCE IS THE USER.SOUNDS LIKE HARVESTING ENERGY TO ME.There must be a source of this energy, and the only possible is the pirater.And what if this affects the paying customers as well? And even if it doesn't, the deceit comes from the fact the piraters do suffer from this process and is indeed harmful.
Here is yet another thing which totally sounds like HARVESTING ENERGY FROM THE USER AND PUTTING IT INTO USE FOR SHANNON,in one form or another, paying Shannon.

(12-09-2014, 11:19 PM)Shannon Wrote: Leon appears to be one of those. But, rest assured, he is paying for it in another way. He's just not aware enough to notice how. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You'd rather pay the monetary price, than pay the price the AP code extracts. Either way, I get paid. Only a fool tests me on that point and decides not to pay for the program.

What I find even more alarming is how Shannon tells left and right the AP code doesn't induce negative emotions, it is harmful and such, yet his posts are OBVIOSLY aimed at inducing fear of the AP code and to get people to buy his programs OR ELSE _________(fear, paying in another way- how is that not negative and not harmful?)

Examples:post 94# in the same 'Am6 did not work' thread: 'Much easier and cheaper to pay with money.' (So if it is not payed with money, the piracy is worth negativity equal of more than 500$?? That is quite a lot of consequence.)

(12-09-2014, 11:19 PM)Shannon Wrote: Leon appears to be one of those. But, rest assured, he is paying for it in another way. He's just not aware enough to notice how. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You'd rather pay the monetary price, than pay the price the AP code extracts. Either way, I get paid. Only a fool tests me on that point and decides not to pay for the program.

There are so many incongruencies that I noticed in your posts, Shannon , that I am seriously confused about you and your honesty.

(01-05-2016, 06:56 PM)Whisperer Wrote: EDIT: As a note, this refers to the script as it's currently been implemented in certain products. The new suggested script on page 6 of this thread addresses 99% of these issues and is in my opinion a quantum leap improvement. By the power vested in me by the Elders of the Internet, I hereby baptize that script the Morality Clause 2G.

Apart from us still being unable to comprehend the amount of work that goes into it, since we neither posses the necessary information or the required skillset for comprehension. But I'll leave that one up to Shannon. He obviously put some thought in it.

Now, on with the original post:

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In the end, how you've framed it matters to the interpretation. It's still verbal communication, which is quite limited. So let's break it down a bit:

I now refuse to steal this program.
Too late, already stolen. Won't steal it again, though. And was I really stealing it? Maybe someone else did, they just made it available for my perusal. Next.

I now refuse to pirate or illegally copy, share, give away, distribute or profit from this program.
Okay, 9 out of 10 people have the same interpretation of the p-word hammered into us by the news, and a general idea what Shannon would consider legal and illegal as it pertains to his products. So this one works, I suppose.

I now try to understand, appreciate and value the time, skill, effort and cost that went into making this program.
This is a dubious one. In communicating with oneself, we learn that if you use the word 'try', you've just given yourself permission to fail. So the subconscious can easily ignore this if it wants. A better choice would be 'strive'.
Apart from that, a variation of this statement would be perfectly acceptable. Just give us a way to actually gain that understanding and to quantify the time, skill, effort and cost, or our mind will keep it as an un-resolvable command and it will leech our energy. The more secrets and mystery, the more difficult for us to follow up on it. It may even push us to keep asking the same annoying questions in the forum over and over again in a desperate effort to comprehend. Oops, too late.

I now know, accept, understand, believe, sense, feel, acknowledge and act upon the fact that it is wrong to break copyright law concerning this program, so I naturally refuse to break copyright law concerning this program.
Well, if you feel the need to, so be it. You really tried to get all the learning modalities included, didn't ya?

If I am using a pirated copy of this program, I now want, need and choose to either stop using it and delete all copies of it that I have, or do what it takes to pay for a legal copy.
Very strong phrasing, probably needs a buildup, a precedence for compliance. Otherwise it may hit some resistance.
I'd rather not see it, of course, but I understand its inclusion. However, if you give people the option of deleting all copies they have, why tell everyone their only path to redemption is purchase (and if their copy has been mass distributed they're f*cked for life)?

** Deal with naturalizer effects **

I am now consciously aware of all the positive effects this program has had and is having on me, and I attribute them all to this program.
Every time I read this, I get this circular feeling, a chicken and egg. Once you consciously link a behavioral shift to the program, you will proceed to attribute that effect to your usage of the program, which will reinforce your belief that it was the program that caused it, making you look for even more proof (which you will inevitably find, LoA-101), attributing that and so on and so on. It becomes a perpetual self-fulfilling prophecy.
The reason Justin keeps tripping over this one is probably because it feels off somehow. I agree, I wouldn't know how to fix it though. The intended message is valid, almost like a foundation to my earlier suggestion.

I now educate myself about the copyright laws affecting me and follow those copyright laws.
Should this be placed earlier? Also, to alleviate concerns previously mentioned, you might want to rewrite to follow copyright laws where they concern Shannon's products. It's very global now. I'm sure other copyright owners will be very appreciative for your effort in leading these misguided sheep to obey ALL copyright laws for EVERY product. This is the one previous posters were so scared of. YouTube will be an empty place when everyone has done your subs. Fortunately, it's not very forceful. Years of existing copyright infringements by the average user should be able to resist it autonomously.

There are two significant items to learn from the above script lines:

First, they almost all refer to this program. That means the code will logically not apply to the next program you do. If you were to obtain AM6 from alternate sources, the script would only apply to you in AM6. If you bought SM3 from Shannon, the AM6 script will not apply there. Of course, the only line that would not be acted upon would be the if-line. All standard paying customers will most certainly act on the other affirmations, proceed to inform themselves about copyright laws and feel an aversion to breaking such laws for everything under the sun, including - but not limited to - Shannon's products.

Second, it stands to reason that Shannon was exaggerating a bit when he indicated the script would be active if you only listened to the first 30 seconds. The odds are these particular script-lines have not been placed all the way at the start of the sessions. It's far more likely they get introduced somewhere around 15 minutes, when you've been softened up.

Oh, and Survivor, there probably are affirmations in the script that shift our state to believing something that isn't true yet in order to have it become true. That's just how your mind works. It may even be along the lines of 'I now realize that this program is already producing tangible and desired/expected results in my body, my mind, my environment and my life'
Why? Because Shannon doesn't know every tiny thing there is to know about for example being an Alpha Male. But your subconscious does, how else are you able to recognize one instinctively? The Alpha Code is written in our genes.
The above script is a shortcut that forces your subconscious to make you display Alpha behaviors, without the need to specify said behaviors. It has no choice, there's a discrepancy between the statement and your current behaviors. And like the highlander said: There can be only one. And that is the one you repeat to yourself most often. Guess which one that'll be...

By the way, if you want a nice example of copyright being abused, search for the lawsuit against Prelude to Axanar. It's sickening. They make almost a million in crowdfunding to produce a non-profit fan fiction movie like there have been so many before, and suddenly the studio demands 150k and a cut of the non-existent profits, claiming a violation of intellectual property laws. Duh, it's fan-fiction. Of course they'll try and make it look as close to the original as possible. Other such projects even hired the original actors (but they only raised a measly 300k). Where does that money go if they win? Not to the creation of new content, certainly not to any of the actors and people involved. Nope, it goes to the shareholders.

(01-05-2016, 06:21 PM)Survivor Wrote: I noticed an interesting pattern.
It all started with how Shannon, in an attempt to stop the emerging discussion of the AP code, told RealJustin that the AntiPiracy measures affect only his subs, yet in the FAQ it was written they affect piracy in general. If you have read th thread:'Am6 did not work' where the whole Ap code disscussion started, you'll know.
Then there was this sudden discovery by Shannon that only the educational part made it in the scripts of the programs.He hasn't realised it was only it, he 'thought the paying in another way was also there'.For 2 years he hasn't realised this? What scientist are you then, I thought you are a careful scripter.What also raised my red flags was that you usually don't jump so fast into conclusions- how can you possibly be sure it is only the educational part if you haven't checked the script of your every program? You don't usually jump to conclusions so fast, and unless you are 100% sure..Possibly another attempt to stop the AP code disscussion, and possibly a deceit..
And then we had a post of Shannon in which he said one of the reasons the Ap code won't be revealed is because the pirates could find a way to beat it.Yet, he gladly posted the new AP script and the old AP script.I don't know for you but this screams 'DECEIT' to me.Either this is only a very small part of the AP code, or it is not the Ap code at all. See above.

(12-31-2015, 02:14 PM)Shannon Wrote:

There are too many misleadings, so much as it is becoming a pattern.
Take a look at post #86 and post #89 of the thread 'Am6 did not work' by pcprepair951{I can't quote them because the thread is closed , I've posted them below) What I find ALARMING is how Shannon for years defends his AP code, tells left and right it is a strongly-protected secret, and that if he shares it pirates may find a way to disregard it and bypass it (as we'll see in the following posts below) , yet out of the blue he gladly and almost happily shares both the new and the old AP code. And this old AP code is only 4-5 statements and NO paying in another way as mentioned.Hard to believe this is the full Ap code, Shannon just takes the approach'If I don't tell them it is not the full Ap code, I haven't lied.. simply because I haven't mentioned it at all'.{ and if someone can find me the post where Shannon says the Ap script is around 3% of the program It will give a lot to this case! These 4-5 statements are merely less than 1% of even the 4G programs, not to mention compared to 5Gs..}

post 86#
(Shannon):' Maybe because knowing that information could perhaps make it less useful for it's intended purpose? Perhaps knowing what it says would help pirates defeat it? So it's a secret. And unless I can find a way to release without making it easier to defeat, it's probably going to stay a secret.
'

post 89#
(Shannon)' The AP code is a secret in an effort to keep it from being easier to bypass. It is not easy to bypass, but if there were enough known about it, and it were sufficiently intelligent person attempting to do so, it might be possible. It's not advertising or stuff like that.
(and many others posts like these around the forum 'Ap code is secret, secret secret')
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(12-31-2015, 02:14 PM)Shannon Wrote: "Paying in another way" was originally designed to be the expression of energy out into the universe to do good as a way to balance the negative effects of the act of piracy.

Expression of energy? Where does that energy come from, THE ONLY POSSIBLE SOURCE IS THE USER.SOUNDS LIKE HARVESTING ENERGY TO ME.There must be a source of this energy, and the only possible is the pirater.And what if this affects the paying customers as well? And even if it doesn't, the deceit comes from the fact the piraters do suffer from this process and is indeed harmful.
Here is yet another thing which totally sounds like HARVESTING ENERGY FROM THE USER AND PUTTING IT INTO USE FOR SHANNON,in one form or another, paying Shannon.

(12-09-2014, 11:19 PM)Shannon Wrote: Leon appears to be one of those. But, rest assured, he is paying for it in another way. He's just not aware enough to notice how. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You'd rather pay the monetary price, than pay the price the AP code extracts. Either way, I get paid. Only a fool tests me on that point and decides not to pay for the program.

What I find even more alarming is how Shannon tells left and right the AP code doesn't induce negative emotions, it is harmful and such, yet his posts are OBVIOSLY aimed at inducing fear of the AP code and to get people to buy his programs OR ELSE _________(fear, paying in another way- how is that not negative and not harmful?)

Examples:post 94# in the same 'Am6 did not work' thread: 'Much easier and cheaper to pay with money.' (So if it is not payed with money, the piracy is worth negativity equal of more than 500$?? That is quite a lot of consequence.)

(12-09-2014, 11:19 PM)Shannon Wrote: Leon appears to be one of those. But, rest assured, he is paying for it in another way. He's just not aware enough to notice how. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You'd rather pay the monetary price, than pay the price the AP code extracts. Either way, I get paid. Only a fool tests me on that point and decides not to pay for the program.

There are so many incongruencies that I noticed in your posts, Shannon , that I am seriously confused about you and your honesty.

(01-05-2016, 10:13 PM)TheRealJustin Wrote:

(01-05-2016, 06:21 PM)Survivor Wrote: I noticed an interesting pattern.
It all started with how Shannon, in an attempt to stop the emerging discussion of the AP code, told RealJustin that the AntiPiracy measures affect only his subs, yet in the FAQ it was written they affect piracy in general. If you have read th thread:'Am6 did not work' where the whole Ap code disscussion started, you'll know.
Then there was this sudden discovery by Shannon that only the educational part made it in the scripts of the programs.He hasn't realised it was only it, he 'thought the paying in another way was also there'.For 2 years he hasn't realised this? What scientist are you then, I thought you are a careful scripter.What also raised my red flags was that you usually don't jump so fast into conclusions- how can you possibly be sure it is only the educational part if you haven't checked the script of your every program? You don't usually jump to conclusions so fast, and unless you are 100% sure..Possibly another attempt to stop the AP code disscussion, and possibly a deceit..
And then we had a post of Shannon in which he said one of the reasons the Ap code won't be revealed is because the pirates could find a way to beat it.Yet, he gladly posted the new AP script and the old AP script.I don't know for you but this screams 'DECEIT' to me.Either this is only a very small part of the AP code, or it is not the Ap code at all. See above.

(12-31-2015, 02:14 PM)Shannon Wrote:

There are too many misleadings, so much as it is becoming a pattern.
Take a look at post #86 and post #89 of the thread 'Am6 did not work' by pcprepair951{I can't quote them because the thread is closed , I've posted them below) What I find ALARMING is how Shannon for years defends his AP code, tells left and right it is a strongly-protected secret, and that if he shares it pirates may find a way to disregard it and bypass it (as we'll see in the following posts below) , yet out of the blue he gladly and almost happily shares both the new and the old AP code. And this old AP code is only 4-5 statements and NO paying in another way as mentioned.Hard to believe this is the full Ap code, Shannon just takes the approach'If I don't tell them it is not the full Ap code, I haven't lied.. simply because I haven't mentioned it at all'.{ and if someone can find me the post where Shannon says the Ap script is around 3% of the program It will give a lot to this case! These 4-5 statements are merely less than 1% of even the 4G programs, not to mention compared to 5Gs..}

post 86#
(Shannon):' Maybe because knowing that information could perhaps make it less useful for it's intended purpose? Perhaps knowing what it says would help pirates defeat it? So it's a secret. And unless I can find a way to release without making it easier to defeat, it's probably going to stay a secret.
'

post 89#
(Shannon)' The AP code is a secret in an effort to keep it from being easier to bypass. It is not easy to bypass, but if there were enough known about it, and it were sufficiently intelligent person attempting to do so, it might be possible. It's not advertising or stuff like that.
(and many others posts like these around the forum 'Ap code is secret, secret secret')
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(12-31-2015, 02:14 PM)Shannon Wrote: "Paying in another way" was originally designed to be the expression of energy out into the universe to do good as a way to balance the negative effects of the act of piracy.

Expression of energy? Where does that energy come from, THE ONLY POSSIBLE SOURCE IS THE USER.SOUNDS LIKE HARVESTING ENERGY TO ME.There must be a source of this energy, and the only possible is the pirater.And what if this affects the paying customers as well? And even if it doesn't, the deceit comes from the fact the piraters do suffer from this process and is indeed harmful.
Here is yet another thing which totally sounds like HARVESTING ENERGY FROM THE USER AND PUTTING IT INTO USE FOR SHANNON,in one form or another, paying Shannon.

(12-09-2014, 11:19 PM)Shannon Wrote: Leon appears to be one of those. But, rest assured, he is paying for it in another way. He's just not aware enough to notice how. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You'd rather pay the monetary price, than pay the price the AP code extracts. Either way, I get paid. Only a fool tests me on that point and decides not to pay for the program.

What I find even more alarming is how Shannon tells left and right the AP code doesn't induce negative emotions, it is harmful and such, yet his posts are OBVIOSLY aimed at inducing fear of the AP code and to get people to buy his programs OR ELSE _________(fear, paying in another way- how is that not negative and not harmful?)

Examples:post 94# in the same 'Am6 did not work' thread: 'Much easier and cheaper to pay with money.' (So if it is not payed with money, the piracy is worth negativity equal of more than 500$?? That is quite a lot of consequence.)

(12-09-2014, 11:19 PM)Shannon Wrote: Leon appears to be one of those. But, rest assured, he is paying for it in another way. He's just not aware enough to notice how. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You'd rather pay the monetary price, than pay the price the AP code extracts. Either way, I get paid. Only a fool tests me on that point and decides not to pay for the program.

There are so many incongruencies that I noticed in your posts, Shannon , that I am seriously confused about you and your honesty.

Yea, I just read this again and you totally caught this dude in a web of lies. I could tell he was lying and or giving half truths but I never knew how to say it or show it.

Thank you for putting this together because the way people react to me I was starting to wonder if maybe I was just tripping out and seeing things that weren't there but yea, you pinned the tail on the donkey!

I definitely will never be buying a sub from this company again.

I would return every sub I have but I'm sure they wouldn't give me my money back but whatever, what goes around comes around, like Shannon always says if he was doing shady sh*t it would come back to him, looks like it may be coming back guess he was right.

There's actually a program available that lets you type in your own affirmations and it makes a sub for you, prob not as good as Shannon's subs but oh well, I can't trust Shannon, nobody should.

I actually read something about a year ago on some weird as* forum saying Shannon used to be called catboy or something like that and they were saying to never trust him and stuff but I figured it was just some people jealous of him or something but they must have known what they were talking about.

Good luck to everyone that sticks around, hopefully you guys don't actually have anything to worry about, like I said I'm not wishing doom and gloom on Shannon or his company, but I definitely do care more about myself than I do this company, and I'm not going to use subs from someone that clearly has a lot of growing up to do.

This guy is treating our minds like a game or something, hardcore inferiority complex. Must have grown up a complete loser and is now seeking some sort of sick revenge on anyone that does anything outside of what he sees as okay or not okay without even caring if it's legal. Not legal in Shannon's eyes and I guess it's not legal at all.

Hopefully you guys spread the truth more so people know exactly what they're getting into and who they're dealing with before they start buying and listening to these subs.

Buyer Beware.