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OF 4 months feedback - Natious - 10-13-2015
So here I am, writing the 4 month feedback that I promised in THIS previous 2 month feedback thread.
Comparing myself now to who I was and how I acted in the beginning of this OF journey, the biggest advancement is the same self awareness that I mentioned in the aforementioned thread. I am currently on a holiday and had an opportunity to write this.
Something in me gave me a huge push to take bigger conscious steps toward growing and I have been working on my self confidence and self love mainly. This has helped me take better use of this sub.
I am also finding it easier and easier to achieve lucid dreams, nearly no effort is needed as long as I keep working on self awareness during the day. I have been using the WILD approach for the past week as it is the easiest for me to achieve giving me a total of 2-4 lucids per night when I decide to have them. Something awesome I did in my lucid dreams was talk to my subconscious and inner self, especially "how can I get the most out of running OF" to which I got an answer: "Listen to it less every day". I used to run this sub for up to 21h per day consistently, now I do 9-12h which feels great. I have stopped dream sex and quit masturbation and porn, I think this is often referred to as nofap. The energy boost is insane. Also my voice is deeper and I feel like I have a stronger manly presence.
This journey has in no way been easy as I have had to consciously start working on my maturity. I have almost attacked my brother with extreme rage 3 times during the 3rd month and almost quit the sub because of that. I took a day off, did some deep reflection and had to make a firm choice to change that part of me. I find this subliminal a dangerous thing to use for someone who is not sufficiently self aware or mature to deal with life without the fear. Imagine that you have experienced a lot of anger and rage during your life, but never did anything with it so it became suppressed. Then one day you decided to run this sub, you can still suppress the anger if you are afraid to do anything with it except one day the fear is no longer there (happens faster if you get drunk). No idea how to deal with your anger you go and beat some random guy up or worse and are left with even more anger. I hope in the 5g OF "maturity and wisdom improvement" would be included.
Up until recently the improvement I have experienced wasn't as big as for the past month or few weeks even. To me personally this subliminal didn't do much until 3 months in so I wouldn't recommend to run this for 3-6 months, rather 5+ months.
Regarding to fears I haven't pinpointed all of the ones that have reduced since I didn't have many goals. My main goal was social anxiety. This is hard for me to measure, it varies day by day, but I do have great days which I am not used to experiencing, it is still there though. Another great realization with fear is that even if some male is trying to pick a fight is that I don't have to give any attention to them and can simply walk away from it. I used to make a lot of eye contact with guys which would invite for a conflict, now I make no more eye contact with males or unattractive women and if by accident I do, I slowly look to the side which doesn't drop my self confidence (or because it happens rarely). In social situations people tend to break eye contact by looking down, even when they are talking. I did exactly the same in the past, so this is a major improvement to me.
Something that hasn't seemingly reduced so far is the fear of women. More specifically fear of women my age (24) and younger, that fear has caused a lot of anger and hatred towards women for it, but I hope I can reduce it or even completely overcome it in the following months. 6 months might not even be enough for me.
In conclusion this sub is pretty sick and WILL drag you through hell, but the biggest improvements come after facing the hardest of our deepest issues. I can currently only see why people say that the more resistance we experience the bigger the changes and why is because there would be more beliefs to change in order to align you with the attended goal and that takes time. I feel very strong and relaxed this very moment and I love it! We resist the things we need to change the most, but it will pass and there will be light at the other end of the tunnel!
Here come months 5 and 6.
I will give my best to answer any questions during the next hour or tomorrow.
Natious
RE: OF 4 months feedback - Shannon - 10-13-2015
I very much appreciate this feedback. I'll be using it in OF5G.
RE: OF 4 months feedback - Natious - 10-13-2015
(10-13-2015, 09:50 AM)Shannon Wrote: I very much appreciate this feedback. I'll be using it in OF5G.
Sweet, this sub really is something.
RE: OF 4 months feedback - dissonance - 10-15-2015
(10-13-2015, 09:50 AM)Shannon Wrote: I very much appreciate this feedback. I'll be using it in OF5G.
OR maybe something similar, and tweaked to fit the situation of OF possibly unleashing inner rage unintentionally. It seems like mere maturity and wisdom improvement might not prevent that. Or would it? I'm not sure I'm not an expert.
RE: OF 4 months feedback - CatMan - 10-15-2015
Personally, I LIKE the idea of just removing all of that fear and being fearless. That must be exhilarating, and such a tremendous relief. I don't like the idea of that effect being detuned and more locked down in a new version. I'm reminded of the confidence effect being detuned in AM6 compared to earlier versions, probably due to the same feeling, of guys previously not having confidence and being very fearful, suddenly being confronted with fearlessness and confidence, and thinking it's bad or something and viewing it as negatives. I don't think adding something in to detune those realisations would be beneficial. I believe it's a step backward.
OF 1.1 seems very fascinating to me to try. I've kept it in mind, I don't think it's my most pressing issue at the moment.
RE: OF 4 months feedback - Geodude - 10-16-2015
The only suggestions for OF that I have are motivation enhancement, since it killed my fear-based motivation, and Slipstream to assist with the brutal resistance OF brings up.
RE: OF 4 months feedback - dissonance - 10-16-2015
(10-15-2015, 11:18 AM)CatMan Wrote: Personally, I LIKE the idea of just removing all of that fear and being fearless. That must be exhilarating, and such a tremendous relief. I don't like the idea of that effect being detuned and more locked down in a new version. I'm reminded of the confidence effect being detuned in AM6 compared to earlier versions, probably due to the same feeling, of guys previously not having confidence and being very fearful, suddenly being confronted with fearlessness and confidence, and thinking it's bad or something and viewing it as negatives. I don't think adding something in to detune those realisations would be beneficial. I believe it's a step backward.
OF 1.1 seems very fascinating to me to try. I've kept it in mind, I don't think it's my most pressing issue at the moment.
I think Shannon didn't turn down the confidence, just balanced it with healthy humility and ego.
RE: OF 4 months feedback - CatMan - 10-16-2015
(10-16-2015, 01:32 PM)dissonance Wrote: I think Shannon didn't turn down the confidence, just balanced it with healthy humility and ego.
Hi Dissonance!
I went back to find the passage I remembered in the AM6 manual.
..."As a result of my extensive testing, I have toned down the self confidence building a bit...", it's on page xviii
Just wanted to clarify. I want to make sure what I say is accurate and legit and not nonsense from an armchair expert
.I think if the confidence was buffed up a lot, if OF was introduced alongside OGSF in every stage, and EHPRA was replaced with EHPRA 2.0, that program will be insane in the next version with all other next generation goodness. Probably the only program a man would need haha.
Anyway, just wanted to clarify where my source was for my claim most importantly.
RE: OF 4 months feedback - Natious - 10-17-2015
Interesting ideas, OF on it's own is already really great., just not as beginner friendly as many other programs. Wisdom improvement is what seemed like the best addition to the program after having run it for 4 months. Motivation booster could also work.
Personally resistance wasn't the toughest thing about running the sub especially when you get used to it and it gives you deeper insight into where you currently are, it's the emptiness that comes from not having any more fear based motivation and having no clue what you want in life. That can become a little bit depressive if you are used to being stuck inside your head all the time. Meditation and self awareness techniques go really great with this sub.
My suggestion was regarding new users especially younger ones who don't have as much life experience as many veteran users here. So either some helpful addition to new users or just a description where it reads "Experienced users". If I were to go on a 5G version of OF, I would wan't only OF, nothing else.
On a second thought Motivation booster would be amazing with OF.