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Not quite sure how programs influence each other? - Jakeb203 - 04-25-2015
Hi,
I have just finished running BASE 5G, now doing the refresher run of AM6.
It gets into my head a little as I was thinking about the purpose of running different multistages sub. For example I have just finished running BASE, and I am planning to run SM3, maybe AM6 and another run of BASE after that. I think that Shannon has said sometime in the past that you mind will only be occupied by the dominant programming at the time. So does that mean previous run-throughs of other programs will not have any effects whatsoever? I kind of don't get the point why I have to insist in running if I don't see any long term effects. Like your programming is always been replaced by another, but not being merged as one whole. I mean, some of the effects from BASE are simply awesome, I love the part in the communication areas where I am obviously 30x better at socializing than I had ran it previously. All I hope is that those effects can last and be able to carry to future programs.
Hope Shannon can clarify this, also want to hear from you.
RE: Not quite sure how programs influence each other? - Shawn - 04-26-2015
This will help you.
RE: Not quite sure how programs influence each other? - Shannon - 04-26-2015
(04-25-2015, 11:01 PM)Jakeb203 Wrote: Hi,
I have just finished running BASE 5G, now doing the refresher run of AM6.
It gets into my head a little as I was thinking about the purpose of running different multistages sub. For example I have just finished running BASE, and I am planning to run SM3, maybe AM6 and another run of BASE after that. I think that Shannon has said sometime in the past that you mind will only be occupied by the dominant programming at the time. So does that mean previous run-throughs of other programs will not have any effects whatsoever? I kind of don't get the point why I have to insist in running if I don't see any long term effects. Like your programming is always been replaced by another, but not being merged as one whole. I mean, some of the effects from BASE are simply awesome, I love the part in the communication areas where I am obviously 30x better at socializing than I had ran it previously. All I hope is that those effects can last and be able to carry to future programs.
Hope Shannon can clarify this, also want to hear from you.
Let's say you run BASE 5G. You finish the program, and now you have six months of BASE programming swimming in your subconscious mind. It is of course best to take a short break, to allow that programming to set. Say, a week or two.
Then you start on AM6 Refresher. This should mean you've run through all of AM6 at least once. So you start on the refresher.
The currently dominant programming will be whichever piles of input have the most repetitions at the moment. Let's use my snowdrift theory analogy. Each repetition of something you are exposed to is noted and recorded by your subconscious mind, and it is like a single snowflake. By itself, not very impressive, or important. But you get enough of them together and they can break through a building's roof and even crush the entire building.
So the subliminal is hitting your subconscious with massive repetitions. Let's say that normal every day life is a light constant snowfall, and each unique type of snowflake may take years, even decades, to form a significant pile for the purposes of dominant programming. But a subliminal represents a constant blizzard, but only specific shapes of snowflake are raining down, and only on certain spots.
So now let's say you've done a six stage program. What has happened is that for that program's Master Key Script, you have introduced, let's hypothesize, 180,000,000 repetitions (snowflakes) of each statement in that script. Let's say there are 125 statements, and so now we have 125 huge piles of snowflakes that dominate your subconscious and conscious operating system in whatever categories they fall into (no pun intended). They have the most repetitions, they are the dominant piles.
Now let's say you start a new six stage program. Suddenly, the blizzard is coming down again, but this time on a different set of piles, and maybe a small area of overlap. Let's say they both include the OGSF script.
So what happens is that the focus shifts to the new blizzard, because it's active. And the piles it's falling on may be close to dominant, or dominant in their categories already, and whichever piles the two blizzards shared (types of snowflake/common statements) will be becoming doubly dominant.
So what gets the focus is first, what is receiving the most snowfall (the most active statements with the most repetitions) because that's where the processing power and attention is going. And secondly, where is already dominant, because that's what the system is currently running on.
So it is entirely possible that the snow piles from say BASE statement 25, 100 and 112 are the biggest in their category, and are dominant programming, and they are what you are "running on", but if the input is falling on AM6 statements 1 through 125, and only 12 of those statements overlap, then the focus is going to be first on those statements that are actively receiving snowfall (repetitions) AND which overlap, and then on those statements which are actively receiving snowfall but do not overlap, but are still dominant within their category from the last run. And then it would be the actively accumulating non-dominant programming from the categories within AM6, and then the dominant programming not receiving attention.
This may not make sense. Why would non-dominant programming piles take precedence over dominant ones? Well, if the dominant ones are inactive, and are either self regenerating or fading out, they are still not receiving new input at the same rate as the active but non-dominant piles. The act of inputting that data, deciphering it and processing it makes the focus on it, and that makes it dominant in a way because while it is not the most large pile, it still has the most focus, processing power and attention on it.
So It's kind of like a set of steps. You take a step up with one foot with AM6, and then you take another step up with BASE, and you have both steps that will support you. The BASE programming will be there supporting you as long as it is dominant, even if it is inactive, and it may not necessarily be obvious while you are focusing on input from AM6, but it is still running and active in the operating system. While you're receiving AM6 programming, the system is busy processing the input and focusing on it, so it is more obvious. Even if it's not yet permanent.
The only case where this is not the case is when one script directly contradicts another. In that case, the same category of statement/snowflake is getting competition from one or more other focus points. So if you are talking about, say, gender focus as the issue, and one pile is masculinizing and one is feminizing, then whichever one is active will have focus, but will be fighting the effects of the other pile that contradicts it.
Hope that makes sense. I haven't been to bed yet, and I'm not sure it will explain things satisfactorily, but if not just let me know and when I have had some more sleep, I'll try to clarify again.
RE: Not quite sure how programs influence each other? - Jakeb203 - 04-26-2015
Thank you.
So I can simply interpret it as that your past programming from other programs will exist, but not an obvious one? And that the more run-thourghs you have over years, the more obvious the past programming becomes evident?
Let's say if we want to have both AM6 and BASE being dominant at the same time, does that mean we have to run them both to an extent that all scripts become regenerating? Would that be possible, or if certain scripts cannot simply regenerate.
RE: Not quite sure how programs influence each other? - jonathan4all - 04-26-2015
I wish someone can rephrase it genuinely ...
RE: Not quite sure how programs influence each other? - ImFreeman - 04-26-2015
My personal take on the best way to benefit from the subs is like this. There is the dominant programing that a sub generates in you while you are listening (temporary), and then there are the habits that you form in order to fulfill that programing(permanent), not only real habits but also mental habits.
What i mean by this i am going to give some of my BASE experience, BASE puts a lot of effort towards becoming more productive, that is the dominant programing, the habits would be first of all getting rid of unproductive stuff, like video games, TV, porn, facebook, excessive forum browsing, etc; then start installing productive habits, like going to bed early and getting up early, reading and improving, using commute time to listen to audiobooks and subs, delegate stuff, meditation, etc etc etc.
Now these are just some examples, some habits will be in place after 6 months, BUT most habits won't. That means that if after 1 run you go towards a completely different route by using another sub, the dominant programing will be different and all those little habits you were forming are going to lose steam and will not become permanent.
What i am trying to get is that for me it is MUCH better to try to "master" a sub for 2,3,4 consecutive runs, and THEN move on to some new sub, with all the habits firmly in place.
RE: Not quite sure how programs influence each other? - QuantumEnthusiast - 04-26-2015
What shannon is saying from what I understand is this.
Going from most dominant/obvious programming to least:
1. Let's say you listen to BASE then AM. The most dominant or obvious programming would be the programming that BOTH of those programs helped with. Meaning if they both had repeated statements for OGSF, that'll be the most obvious programming because BOTH programs contributed to this programming.
2. The programming that's obvious secondly is the programming of any sub you've run before, eg. Overcoming Fear, that is being added on to by the current run of AM with overlapping categories.
Meaning, OF and AM have overlapping programming/categories, so it's the next dominant/obvious programming.
3. What would be noted next is the programming that is UNIQUE to the second sub that you're listening to, in this case AM. Meaning, the programming/categories that is unique to AM and doesn't overlap with any other subs are what's dominant/obvious next.
4. Lastly comes the programming that is UNIQUE to BASE that are active but not getting any attention from the currently running AM sub.
All the programming is active, just that the programming that has statements/categories overlapping with previously run subs will be more obvious than the statements/categories that are unique to whatever sub you're running currently, which is more obvious than the statements/categories that are unique to previously run sub.
To put it simply: Overlapping categories > Unique categories of current subs > Unique categories of previously run sub
RE: Not quite sure how programs influence each other? - Spareness - 04-26-2015
(04-26-2015, 08:19 AM)jonathan4all Wrote: I wish someone can rephrase it genuinely ...
Let's say you use AM then BASE and the last you use AM Refresher. So, the question is which one will be dominant? The answer there are several possibilities.
1. If any part of the BASE which is dominant but not influenced/contradict with part of the AM, it will still be dominant. Although it is not active.
2. If any part of the BASE which is dominant, but influenced/contradict with part of the AM, It will not be dominant, because AM trying to replace it. Although it is not active.
3. If there are parts of the BASE that same with part of AM, that part will grow stronger.
Correct me if I'm wrong
leepy: .
RE: Not quite sure how programs influence each other? - Jakeb203 - 04-26-2015
It would be good if Shannon can further elaborate on what it means to have scripts "crushing the entire building".
Also, is there possibly anyway to get all the scripts active at the same time? Running multiple times of one particular sub seems one possible way, just wondering if there are any others. Stuff like running back to back or running at a particular combo.
RE: Not quite sure how programs influence each other? - QuantumEnthusiast - 04-26-2015
(04-26-2015, 10:39 PM)Jakeb203 Wrote: It would be good if Shannon can further elaborate on what it means to have scripts "crushing the entire building".
Also, is there possibly anyway to get all the scripts active at the same time? Running multiple times of one particular sub seems one possible way, just wondering if there are any others. Stuff like running back to back or running at a particular combo.
I think he was just trying to emphasize on the idea of 'strength in numbers'. The category that was exposed to the highest number of repetitions is the one that is most dominant/obvious. I don't think that what he meant by "crushing the entire building" as the subconscious being crushed by too many repetitions of a statement.
I believe he meant that all the scripts/programming are always active, just that whatever categories that has the most programming and whatever sub you're running currently would be more obviously active than the others.
Correct me if I'm wrong
RE: Not quite sure how programs influence each other? - Shannon - 04-27-2015
(04-26-2015, 08:05 AM)Jakeb203 Wrote: Thank you.
So I can simply interpret it as that your past programming from other programs will exist, but not an obvious one? And that the more run-thourghs you have over years, the more obvious the past programming becomes evident?
Let's say if we want to have both AM6 and BASE being dominant at the same time, does that mean we have to run them both to an extent that all scripts become regenerating? Would that be possible, or if certain scripts cannot simply regenerate.
Basically, once it becomes self generating, and self regenerating, it IS you. That's why I never need to run AM again. I have achieved the goal. Maybe some point in the future, I will run it anyway, but I've achieved my goals and it is now me. It is now self generating and self regenerating. Even though I am running BAMM 2.0 for more than 2 years straight.
But what I am saying is that whole you may have specific dominant programming, it may not be what is currently being focused on, and therefore may seem like it is not there, or not obvious.
RE: Not quite sure how programs influence each other? - Shannon - 04-27-2015
I am unfortunately rather sick right now, and I find that I don't have the energy to answer all of you. But Quantum Enthusiast has the right of it in his last post, and primarily in the post he made before that.
Jake, yes, running enough times through to make it catch without negating it, will make all scripts dominant. Like me with AM and BAMM.