Quote:Most people respond to Stage 1 with a fairly polar response. Either they don’t notice anything, or they notice they are really growing in self confidence and a few even start reporting impatience with the people around them playing mind games and trying to manipulate them. Stage 1 is clearing out the negative self image BS and laying a solid foundation for the rest of the program. Stage 1 specifically prepares you for Stage 2.

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• I can't do that, what if [any negative shit] happens,
  
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Quote:The type of alpha who relies on the acknowledgement of others is limited, however. He can only remain on top for so long before he begins to weaken and is eventually replaced. This constant challenging and replacement of course means that at all times, this type of alpha is always going to be the strongest in the group.

Quote:The next type of man is the Alpha Male 1.0. This is the “classic” Alpha Male, and what most people think of when they hear the term. I have also called these men “Needy Alphas”. They make up about 25% of the modern male population.

Alpha 1.0s are tough, masculine, confident, dominant, capable, successful men. They take charge and get things done. Unlike betas, Alpha 1.0s rule others rather than being ruled themselves. Alpha 1.0s are great guys.

The problem with Alpha 1.0s is they are highly sensitive to what others in their lives do or say. If an Alpha 1.0’s girlfriend or wife doesn’t play ball, he loses it. He starts yelling, screaming, commanding, and setting rules. The same goes for his family members, friends, children, and co-workers.

When everyone does exactly what they’re told, Alpha 1.0s are great men who live great lives. When anyone doesn’t act in accordance with their specific parameters (which, of course, is all the time) they’re angry, and feel threatened and disrespected. They often live lives of 60%-70% happiness, 30%-40% anger and negative stress.

The operating goal of the Alpha 1.0 is to control and to be heard.

They love to boss other people around and to issue long lectures about proper behavior. They often get pissed off and love to “set people straight”. Having other people listen to them and acknowledge them is of extreme importance to these strong men.

Quote:The other type of alpha, however, does not rely on the group for his ranking. He is independent of, and above the group for his self image, happiness and privilege. He does not weaken and get replaced over time, because he is not constantly spending his energy in a battle for supremacy. He has transcended the limitations of that system, and now relies on only himself for his status, etc. While the group may not acknowledge him initially, he will be seen as the greatest threat to the current alpha of the group once he is recognized because he does not acknowledge that alpha's position and authority as being a limiting factor for himself. And because of this, the power structure does not hold him in place, restrict him, control him. He is his own man, and independent of the power structures of the groups through which he passes.

This second type of alpha is the higher form of alpha. The more subtle form of alpha. The more alpha form of alpha. He may not be the six foot four hundred-pounds-of-muscle alpha-by-raw-force, but he is a leader regardless, and others will naturally follow him out of admiration and respect because of what and who he is. The key difference here is that the group-dominant alpha leads more out of fear based respect, than the admiration based respect of the "ascendant alpha". The ascendant alpha is a master of himself first and foremost. Others follow him not because he demands it, forces it, or threatens them if they don't, but because he displays the highest, truest form of leadership and masculinity: independence and self mastery.

Quote:That leaves us with the final type of man, the Alpha Male 2.0, which comprises the remaining 5% of men. The Alpha 2.0 is exactly the same as the Alpha 1.0 with two significant differences.

The operating goal of the Alpha 2.0 is freedom and long term, consistent happiness.

He has structured his life so that every morning he wakes up and can do whatever the hell he wants, the way he wants, any time he wants, without having to check in with anyone. He is free from the agenda of a girlfriend, wife, boss, or society.

That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a special woman in his life. He certainly can. It means he can do whatever he likes without having to get permission from her, or anyone else.

Very unlike the Alpha 1.0, the Alpha 2.0 doesn’t care what other people in his life think or do. He has structured his life so as to maintain a high level of happiness and well-being no matter what else happens with anyone in his life.

If the woman in his life throws drama at him, he shrugs and has sex with someone else. He doesn’t argue or lecture; that would damage his happiness. He never needs to worry about a boss, because he doesn’t have one. He’s outcome independent. He doesn’t care what others do…he’s on a Mission.

Because everyone in his life knows he does this, people quickly learn to not give him all the drama, anger, rules, and problems betas and Alpha 1.0s regularly have to wrestle with.

(12-13-2014, 06:13 AM)Mateunio Wrote: Shannon's alpha and Blackdragon's alpha 2.0 are not the same. At least I don't feel like it. Every time I read Shannon's post about it I feel empowered and on focus, as if I knew this is exactly my goal. But when I read Blackdragon's book I feel differently. I feel objections from his views very often. He's sometimes more like a jerk than True Alpha to be honest, not to mention he's contradicting himself quite often. Don't get me wrong, that book is great and really inspirational, but it has its flaws, and definition of Alpha 2.0 is one of them. But maybe it's just my different understanding of the term, different goals and endgame.

Quote:I have read websites where they try to define men by their characteristics. I believe the type I am referring to was known as the "sigma", which is the only threat to the Alpha, because he is everything the alpha is, without being in the alpha's control. Something like that. Interesting theory and classification, but in the end the goal is to rise above needing other people to know or care who or what you are because you are your own system of support and success.

Quote:Depends on what your definition of Sigma Male is. If it’s exactly what you said, than yeah, it’s Alpha 2.0

(12-13-2014, 06:13 AM)Mateunio Wrote: Shannon's alpha and Blackdragon's alpha 2.0 are not the same. At least I don't feel like it. Every time I read Shannon's post about it I feel empowered and on focus, as if I knew this is exactly my goal. But when I read Blackdragon's book I feel differently. I feel objections from his views very often. He's sometimes more like a jerk than True Alpha to be honest, not to mention he's contradicting himself quite often. Don't get me wrong, that book is great and really inspirational, but it has its flaws, and definition of Alpha 2.0 is one of them. But maybe it's just my different understanding of the term, different goals and endgame.

(12-14-2014, 04:15 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Alpha Mind- I think you will really enjoy reading about the Sigma male like I did a few months ago and you might even identify with it more than the Alpha male label, like I ended up doing. After reading many articles on the Sigma male I felt like the best way to describe the differences, between the two males, is the difference in mentality between Superman and batman. Superman basically works within the social framework and system itself. Batman on the other hand says," Screw the social framework and system. I'm doing things my way, how I want and when I want." If I remember correctly the author of Sigma Shock also said that Sigmas were once Alphas but then experienced a trauma that shook them to the core. Here again the fictional examples apply. Clark kent gets raised by loving parents who teach him to be a model citizen. He never really experiences any real dark moments early on so he develops this Naive view that working within the System will always work. Bruce Wayne on the other hand was being brought up as a Alpha but then he experienced the trauma of his parent's deaths. After that he gained a more realist view of social systems. He didn't out right disdain them but he found he didn't want to be restricted by their Social "pecking" order and wanted to take things into his own hands (Self- Reliance). While typing this I also noticed that this could apply to their love lives as well. Superman sees himself as only being with Lois lane his entire life (lack of abundance mentality). Batman pretty much only focused on himself and his mission but he got with some woman along the way (catwoman, Thalia, etc). He could have been monogamous and it might have worked out but once again his main objective was developing himself and his mission.

Honestly though, I feel like Sigma Male, Ascendant Alpha, and Alpha 2.0 are just different names for the same type of male with very few differences here and there.

(12-14-2014, 03:18 AM)Mateunio Wrote: My greatest problem with Blackdragon's model is that it sounds very hedonistic (in a good or bad sense of it). Maybe it's because I've never tasted this lifestyle and I don't know what I'm loosing on, or maybe because I'm very spiritual and philosophical person, but I think such lifestyle in it's core is shallow and meaningless (funny thing I stopped on "The mission" chapter ). I think in the end it comes down to my dislike to Blackdragon than to his ideas and if I was able to separate them completely and adjust Alpha 2.0 like he suggests in some places it might be really good model for me.

(12-14-2014, 06:40 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(12-14-2014, 03:18 AM)Mateunio Wrote: My greatest problem with Blackdragon's model is that it sounds very hedonistic (in a good or bad sense of it). Maybe it's because I've never tasted this lifestyle and I don't know what I'm loosing on, or maybe because I'm very spiritual and philosophical person, but I think such lifestyle in it's core is shallow and meaningless (funny thing I stopped on "The mission" chapter ). I think in the end it comes down to my dislike to Blackdragon than to his ideas and if I was able to separate them completely and adjust Alpha 2.0 like he suggests in some places it might be really good model for me.

Sounds like a personal problem lol. Don't let your feelings stop you from the success you deserve.

(12-14-2014, 06:47 AM)Mateunio Wrote: Personal problem or personal priorities, it doesn't matter. The most important thing, specially for Alpha, is to be true to oneself and to be happy. How this happiness is to be obtained depends only on one's conscious. We might disagree, but that much will always be right. And yes, I will have my success, this is why I'm here. Turning back and crying in the pillow is not an option anymore.