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Health supplement/diet thread - JackOfHearts - 08-20-2014

Here you go your new thread
(08-19-2014, 06:16 PM)athanas Wrote:
(08-19-2014, 05:49 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Lol, actually my doctor told me today that I need calcium. Anyhow I agree, new thread!

Be careful, physicians often mistake a calcium deficiency with a Vit D deficiency as they mistake an iron deficiency with an zinc deficiency.
They just look at your blood and see calcium is missing there, so let's give him calcium not looking deeper for the reason WHY there is no calcium there. It could be that you lack Vit D which is crucial for Calcium Absorbtion. You could take all the Calcium supplements that you want and it would all go down the toilet. Literally... like through your urine. If you're lucky, that is... if not it get's stuck in your heart.

Vit D Deficiency is VERY common 9 of 10 people have it, but don't ask your doctor about Vit D supplements as the RDA for VIT D is 800 IE... which is a drop of piss. I take about 50000 daily, I would even take 100 000 like many other people did before but It would be quite expensive for me to increase the Vit K accordingly that has to go with it. Not saying you don't have a calcium deficiency, you could, but if you have a Vit D deficiency as well you'd would have to fix that first, otherwise you can't fix the Ca deficiency efficiently. And still before Ca you have to check Vit K, or Calcium will cause the above described heart attack, and then still you're not done... again magnesium first, calcium second. So even if you have a calcium deficiency, you have to fix your deficiencies in the right order, and by the time you fixed your Vit D deficiency I would bet your Calcium deficiency "mysteriously" be vanished by then so you'll never have to fix it... But, yeah... new Thread.



RE: Health supplement/diet thread - JackOfHearts - 08-20-2014

(08-19-2014, 05:24 PM)athanas Wrote: actually Calcium and Magnesium go quite well together in a 2:1 ratio, if you're interested in one of the best calcium supplements google for "Sango Marine Coral" It has the perfect Clacium:Magnesium ratio and thousand other minerals. It has almost the same mineral composition as our bones.

But you probably don't need calcium yet. You probably have a serious Magnesium deficiency and until you have filled that up you won't be able to make much use of the calcium and if used too much the calcium accumulates as salt debris in your veins and you'll die from a heart attack. So first magnesium, than calcium. And please don't buy the vitamins from the grocery store, you will just piss it out and throw money away.

Quote: Same thing with my porn diet. Now, Inconcievable mentioned not using zinc/magnesium/calcium in combo, why is that? Aren't we (supposedly) getting those things in our diets anyways? Also, what are the levels to maintain of each vitamin/mineral you mentioned, and how much would you say an average ejaculation depletes them by?

It's a bit more complicated than that. Let's take your porn diet that was aiming at refilling dopamin: If it did just that you saw in this post how much minerals would still get depleted without getting refilled. But yes you would cover up the symptoms for a while because you wouldn't feel the natural lack of dopamine indicitating you have a serious mineral deficiency by manually increasing the dopamine.
You would avoid the depression that your body seriously needs to refill the minerals because due to artificially high dopamine you would still feel good, causing to deplete your body further of minerals.
You would need more and more of your dopamine diet to not go into depression as your mineral depletion increases until you have total break down. (Also one reason why people get resistant to antidepressants, because the antidepressants deprive the body of the necessary depression causing a further mineral depletion until again, total break down)

But now let's say you would also take the minerals I suggested to refill those depletions also... those were just the base minerals and Vitamins to prevent the worst. If you take those minerals, yes you prevent some depletion. And if you remain at normal levels of ejaculation, it would be even fine for the rest of your life. But if you take this "refill" as a permission to go crazy on ejaculation depletion of other minerals would also make themselves noticeable, e.g. gold. But this time you wouldn't feel this depletion even in years as you covered it up even better this time, only 10 maybe 30 years later those depletions will show through causing severe depressions out of nowhere, weak bones etc.

Almost every healthy mineral, Vitamin and everything else is contained in an ejaculation. The good news are that also almost every healthy mineral, vitamin etc. are contained in vegetables as well, but most to a very, very small degree, e.g. Gold almost nothing.

So your vegetables are your pumpgun hitting everything as long as the depletion is low ("short range") and the supplements are your sniper hitting just one target but with very high impact ("long range").
If you make your depletion high enough that you can't handle it with your pumpgun anymore you will never be able to hit all the onehundredthousand targets with your sniper without missing any single one causing a severe imbalance.
And severe imbalance would be the best case. It would be better to leave your body heavily depleted than trying to fix it with supplements as this could literally kill you. It's okay to refill low to moderate lack of minerals, but with heavy depletion you have to go way way beyond the RDA. Not for calcium necessarily but for the trace minerals like Iodine you would have to go 2000 times or more than the RDA depending on the deficiency. Not that in itself is dangerous, as the RDA is a joke, but once you cross the RDA so severly you have to know your game and take the supplements in the right order and right ratios... one mistake and you'll die. Now don't get paranoid especially with Iodine 200 times the RDA is still no problem I'm rather talking about gold, silver, iron, copper etc, these are more dangerous when you have to play with them on such high levels. Especially Gold and silver aren't easily replaced. You can't get that easily a proper "Silber" supplement, as it would be poisonous to you if you try to ingest it. The valence shell of those atoms has to be in the right configuration like they are when the Vegetables "ingested" them for us to make them bioavailable. And now we're literally talking "Alchemy" here, people back in the day just used plants instead of laboratory supplements. (I still recommend plants instead if you have the money)

Now the solution isn't either: "eat double amount of vegetables for double amount of ejaculation" because there is one single substance that no food can refill but your body can in a very limited and exhaustive way that is ejaculated also. Not to mention the mineral composition in vegetables isn't designed to blance out heave depletion in trace minerals as there aren't many trace minerals in our soil for our vegetables anymore.

But I think I know a solution that could satisfy you, giving you the highs of sexual pleasure while getting maximum benefit of SM3 and without having to go into depression. But it's also not so simple, and I don't want to take any more place of DanAmersons Journal to go into detail with this as this would be getting quite off topic. Maybe we start another thread discussing this more in detail.

all the previous discussion is here:
http://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Ampers-d-Finds-His-Mojo-SM3-0?pid=58585#pid58585


RE: Health supplement/diet thread - LionKing - 08-20-2014

Related to that discussion, I've actually been a bit worried that SM3 might tax my body a bit too much on the long term. Reading MMO books, they often mention the chinese teachings that men should not ejaculate that often, and always decrease the frequency when they get older. Dry orgasms would be great, but, despite having some progress on my own, they seem quite difficult to achieve. I'm expecting the stamina training from SM3 to help, though, as you get to relax a bit more. And then there's the high sex drive itself, it seems that's taxing too.

It was said to "first get your magnesium levels up", is there a way to measure them or otherwise know they're ok?


RE: Health supplement/diet thread - Shawn - 08-20-2014

(08-20-2014, 06:24 AM)swisston Wrote: Interesting. Do you have a source for that please?

It was a result of my research some years ago that high dosages calcium and magnesium at the same time are problematic. I just did a quick search again and got mixed results (german websites). Anyway, I would keep it in mind and avoid to high dosages, then it shouldn't be a problem.


RE: Health supplement/diet thread - swisston - 08-20-2014

When you say high doses.... the stuff I take has 1000 mg of Calcium and 400 mg of Magnesium, so only the RDA on top of what I get from food.


RE: Health supplement/diet thread - guilotine - 08-20-2014

speaking of diet, http://anabolicmen.com/ has a lot of info on foods and supplements that increase natural testosterone production


RE: Health supplement/diet thread - guilotine - 08-20-2014

(08-20-2014, 08:16 AM)LionKing Wrote: Related to that discussion, I've actually been a bit worried that SM3 might tax my body a bit too much on the long term. Reading MMO books, they often mention the chinese teachings that men should not ejaculate that often, and always decrease the frequency when they get older. Dry orgasms would be great, but, despite having some progress on my own, they seem quite difficult to achieve. I'm expecting the stamina training from SM3 to help, though, as you get to relax a bit more. And then there's the high sex drive itself, it seems that's taxing too.

It was said to "first get your magnesium levels up", is there a way to measure them or otherwise know they're ok?

I can get dry orgasms on my own but during sex I can't seem to do it. I am also learning more about this so I will keep you updated on my progress.


RE: Health supplement/diet thread - guilotine - 08-20-2014

Also As per the recommendation of SargeMaximus I am using a greens supplement that should be used in addition to the fruits and vegetables that you consume. I am currently using a Greens+ supplement without soy in it. Some of the Greens+ supplements have soy which is something you want to avoid because it is estrogenic.


RE: Health supplement/diet thread - SargeMaximus - 08-20-2014

(08-20-2014, 12:36 PM)guilotine Wrote: Also As per the recommendation of SargeMaximus I am using a greens supplement that should be used in addition to the fruits and vegetables that you consume. I am currently using a Greens+ supplement without soy in it. Some of the Greens+ supplements have soy which is something you want to avoid because it is estrogenic.

Yeah I tossed my previous one, now I'm using "Green Vibrance" which doesn't have soy (I believe).

Anyhow, what I want to know is, what exactly are we shooting for here? I mean sure "eat more of this, etc" is an easy train to board and get lost on, but unless I have a clear idea of the WHY, all the information isn't going to be much use.

athanas mentioned something about gold, silver, heavy metals. It's all well and good but why gold and silver and not
just more iron?

When I made the porn diet, it was specifically designed to replace both the dopamine AND the mineral/vitamin deficiency which I knew of. Now, I think the best thing to do is identify both what is lost from arousal, what's lost from an ejaculation, and finally, how to replenish those things.

It's simple math, to me anyhow. As with any "gaining" diet, the formula should be the same: consume more than you burn.


RE: Health supplement/diet thread - JackOfHearts - 08-20-2014

1)find an expert in this field.
2)read his book
3)apply

we are not going anywhere if we just try to guess.

The way you said it Sarge was like you would have prefer that you didn't discover something was missing.

Being wise is required when we chose to change something as important as the diet. Im not saying you are not but I would check the information as long as its required.


RE: Health supplement/diet thread - LionKing - 08-21-2014

(08-20-2014, 12:33 PM)guilotine Wrote: I can get dry orgasms on my own but during sex I can't seem to do it. I am also learning more about this so I will keep you updated on my progress.

Please do! How are you doing it; directing energy upwards, squeezing your pc somewhow, ksmo, some other style? Many months ago I succesfully had one of those where energy shot up my spine and my head kind of exploded.. then 1-2 months ago I managed another kind a few times, where I started to feel something faint in my chest or so and then as I allowed it be it slowly grew and grew to quite strong. The time span was a few minutes and I had to really try to remain relaxed and let it grow.. I was kinda worried I might get hurt or something, scary lol. It'd be great to master those, because then you could basically have as much sex as you want as still be driven after that to do other things and not just want to be left alone. For some reason it just seems hard to find the time to practice.


RE: Health supplement/diet thread - SargeMaximus - 08-21-2014

(08-20-2014, 08:56 PM)maniac360 Wrote: 1)find an expert in this field.
2)read his book
3)apply

we are not going anywhere if we just try to guess.

The way you said it Sarge was like you would have prefer that you didn't discover something was missing.

Being wise is required when we chose to change something as important as the diet. Im not saying you are not but I would check the information as long as its required.

Weird that I come off that way, I just prefer not to waste time. When I developed my porn diet I consulted with a guy who's been lifting and perfecting his diet for 20 years, so yeah, weird that I come off that way. >>

Anyhow I agree, find an expert, which athanas is probably not.


RE: Health supplement/diet thread - guilotine - 08-21-2014

(08-20-2014, 01:35 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Yeah I tossed my previous one, now I'm using "Green Vibrance" which doesn't have soy (I believe).

Anyhow, what I want to know is, what exactly are we shooting for here? I mean sure "eat more of this, etc" is an easy train to board and get lost on, but unless I have a clear idea of the WHY, all the information isn't going to be much use.

athanas mentioned something about gold, silver, heavy metals. It's all well and good but why gold and silver and not
just more iron?

When I made the porn diet, it was specifically designed to replace both the dopamine AND the mineral/vitamin deficiency which I knew of. Now, I think the best thing to do is identify both what is lost from arousal, what's lost from an ejaculation, and finally, how to replenish those things.

It's simple math, to me anyhow. As with any "gaining" diet, the formula should be the same: consume more than you burn.

Well my goal is to maximize my natural testosterone production and improve dopamine levels. So my diet is aimed at that.
I have the "Man Diet" book which is aimed at achieving that goal and used Sarge's advice on dopamine. I also refer to the anabolicmen.com site for info. These guys have done a lot of research on this field so I trust there opinion.


RE: Health supplement/diet thread - guilotine - 08-21-2014

(08-21-2014, 03:26 AM)LionKing Wrote: Please do! How are you doing it; directing energy upwards, squeezing your pc somewhow, ksmo, some other style? Many months ago I succesfully had one of those where energy shot up my spine and my head kind of exploded.. then 1-2 months ago I managed another kind a few times, where I started to feel something faint in my chest or so and then as I allowed it be it slowly grew and grew to quite strong. The time span was a few minutes and I had to really try to remain relaxed and let it grow.. I was kinda worried I might get hurt or something, scary lol. It'd be great to master those, because then you could basically have as much sex as you want as still be driven after that to do other things and not just want to be left alone. For some reason it just seems hard to find the time to practice.

I try to stay relaxed during the whole process(Deep breathing). Also it is very important to be fully present in your body and not imagine stuff. If I try to fantasize stuff I tend to lose control so that's probably why I have a hard time doing it with porn.

Basically as I feel the sexual energy building up I take a few deep breaths and fully relax. I can then feel the energy rising up my spine and spreading throughout my body in a subtle way. It's a cool experience but not mind blowing to me at this point maybe because I don't have enough sexual energy built up. To achieve the dry orgasm I build my arousal close to orgasm level and then relax, take a few deep breaths and sometimes squeez the pc muscles(not always). Once I relax I build up to orgasm again but this time I push a little further and relax again. Keep doing this but each time I push further and further until at one point I go through the entire orgasm with little to no ejaculation. Sometimes there is a little but I think that is the pre ejaculate. I usually have to build up many times before I am comfortable enough to have the orgasm. Also like I said if you aren't fully present you can go overboard pretty easily. Still not sure how to incorporate this during sex though. Hope that helps.

Mastering this is definitely one of my major goals too. That would be epic!