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Is it really the subs? - lokko - 03-18-2014
Sometimes I wonder if it's the subs that are working or we are just trying to believe in something that may be a placebo. I mean I have a Journal going on right now but during the journey sometimes it feels like maybe I'm just telling my mind to act a certain way, and according to the subs scripts that's how I'm supposed to act. Do they really work or is it our minds trying to convince ourselves that it does, just because of the commitment factor we give these subs. Some people in their journal say stuff like "I was really angry today this and that" and claim this wasn't happening before the subs, but wait, how conscious were we of our behaviours before the subs? what if we had those feelings sometimes but we just brushed it off or didn't think of it much, but now that we're entitled to really look deep into the "changes" these subs might be creating then we are always analyzing our behaviour and then telling ourselves, somethings happening, maybe it's a change this and that, and we link our thoughts to a change we want and tell ourselves it must be that, and do so.
But then some are going to say, well what about the eye contact I'm able to hold now, what about the girls that surround me and so on? What if I told you, you're putting your whole mindset to it, and of course you're always going to be the best you because your consciously thinking about the subs script and re affirming your mind to be that way. So what I mean is, you're getting the best haircut, you're acting in the most gentlemen way, you're reading books on pickup, you're always on the look out for girls staring at you, you're wearing a better cologne, you're doing something more or differently then you were before because you want to make yourself believe the subs are working, and of course they are, I mean your playing them for 8 hours a day, minimum.
This is just a theory I came up with, I'm not saying the subs don't work, but I'm saying what if this is the reason they do or atleast how the placebo works.
If this is not really why the subs work, and they actually reach our subconscious with their affirmations then this is still something to think about, and maybe Shannon could further enhance the power of the subs. By scripting these suggestions/theory I came up with into the subs, for those who's minds are always trying to block change.
RE: Is it really the subs? - JackOfHearts - 03-19-2014
A lot of people has already said that in their journal. I came up with the same idea.
But if it were so easy to change behavior without sub (or mind technique) a lot more people would succeed more easily in their life.
If you still doubt stop the sub and you'll get back to where you were.
edit: I think we get used to improve faster with sub so we assume in was that easy when we did't use sub maybe it's the naturalizer too
RE: Is it really the subs? - Tiesto - 03-19-2014
Based on my own experience, different subs affect me differently, for example when I run AM 5.0, my emotional stability tends to get all over the place (emotional rollercoaster), compared to now I'm running FYPJ 5G, I am much more calm and stable, when I ran ASC I also felt a different effect compared to AM 5.0 and FYPJ 5G.
In my own experience with 3G and 4G subs, they do have an effect on me, but so far they haven't delivered the intended goals and claims, I take AM 5.0 again as an example, with AM 5.0 I do feel some changes, but they are not permanent, and I probably only get 30% of all the listed claims in the ad page.
I've come to a conclusion that due to my resistant personality, 3G and 4G subs are not effective enough for me, from now on I will aim to use 5G only, I don't know how well I respond to 5G, but I hope I will respond better compared to using 3G and 4G subs.
lokko, I don't know how many subs you have tried, maybe it is your first one right now, but once you've tried several different subs, you will notice that each one affects you in a different manner, so in another word they do work, but whether they achieve their intended goals or not, that depends on a lot of factors.
RE: Is it really the subs? - swisston - 03-19-2014
(03-18-2014, 09:43 PM)lokko Wrote: Sometimes I wonder if it's the subs that are working or we are just trying to believe in something that may be a placebo. I mean I have a Journal going on right now but during the journey sometimes it feels like maybe I'm just telling my mind to act a certain way, and according to the subs scripts that's how I'm supposed to act. Do they really work or is it our minds trying to convince ourselves that it does, just because of the commitment factor we give these subs.
Every time I begin to doubt, I remember that my porn habit/addiction was cured within two days of listening to AM 6. That's after 20+ years of engrained habit; there is no way that I would have the will power or inclination to have stopped on my own. I was also only barely aware that this was even in the sub and wasn't the reason I began AM. I have absolutely no doubts that AM6 did this.
RE: Is it really the subs? - rubman - 03-19-2014
I think the best way to think about it is "Do you think without subs you could do all this?". My answer would be no... because I would loose focus on whatever I want to improve.
And, of course, there is the manifestation part but I know a lot of people don't believe in it so it doesn't count too much.
At the end of the day is better not to think a lot about it and let it work for you. The most important aspect is to bypass the blockages and if subs help with that and makes it true for you it doesn't matter if its your mind, placebo or whatever
Cheers..
RE: Is it really the subs? - Edo - 03-19-2014
Placebo is still an effect. Denying the effectiveness of the sub means it IS working. What can we say; for all this years most of our program is negative and now you are consciously working on to put positive programming, naturally the old program will resist the change.
To be precise, for example you have "I am a loser" program repeated 1000 times and the sub placing it with "I am winner" program that repeated 1000 times also that will produce resistant. What's more there is a "naturalizer" takes place that makes you think "you ARE already this naturally from the start."
If you are over thinking increase your expsoure around 12 - 16 is suffice. The subs work. Forget a thousand reason why it won't work and keep one reason why it works.
From my experience there 2 types of people when he/she in self-improvement road. The.first one they will experience result and it will gradually increasing. The second one it won't show result, it will takes time, but when it "right", boom, it will sprout and soar!!
I'm the 2'nd type by the way
RE: Is it really the subs? - Fonzy3 - 03-19-2014
It's the subs.. There are Brainwave Entertainment, Aphrodisiacs, Maximum Immune Response and AYP subs to prove so.
Thanks
Fonzy
RE: Is it really the subs? - InTheZone - 03-19-2014
(03-19-2014, 10:20 AM)Fonzy3 Wrote: It's the subs.. There are Brainwave Entertainment, Aphrodisiacs, Maximum Immune Response and AYP subs to prove so.
Yeah, I've been a believer ever since I needed to use MIR.
RE: Is it really the subs? - LionKing - 03-19-2014
But Brainwave Entertainment isn't subliminal. I'd have liked to prove subs to myself with BWE drugs, but they don't contain suggestions, right?
RE: Is it really the subs? - Bayern2 - 03-19-2014
I can't possibly call it a placebo. Using AM6, I've gotten rid of OCD behavior that I've for as long as I can remember. That isn't something that I just randomly stop doing after 20 or so years.
Also, think about physical improvement such as IYPS or breast enlargement for women. The only way it isn't just the sub for IYPS would be if you're doing manual exercises as well. For the breast enlargement that would have to be just the subs producing the results.
RE: Is it really the subs? - Fonzy3 - 03-19-2014
(03-19-2014, 01:54 PM)LionKing Wrote: But Brainwave Entertainment isn't subliminal. I'd have liked to prove subs to myself with BWE drugs, but they don't contain suggestions, right?
In regards to the technology being used, those are all examples of programs that prove they work. Subliminal drugs will probably be released soon, there was one called B2 which was in 5G that was given for testing last year during the sale. Since the advancements of technology are being put into these new innovations they are most likely being put into increasing the effectiveness of subs. Not just affirming messages but producing powerful subliminals that change a persons thinking towards the world around them. This has be shown throughout the growth of subliminals through generations 3g, 4g, 5g etc.
Thanks
Fonzy
RE: Is it really the subs? - n0ddy - 03-20-2014
My 2p is that it doesn't matter. My train of thought about this is as follows
Let's assume that the subs are just a placebo - a mental sugar pill. But you see positive results that you wouldn't have seen without the placebo. That's what any placebo does - our minds get tricked into providing the result.
If you have the mental capacity to get your mind to provide a result without the placebo, go ahead and do it. Over the past few years it's become obvious that most western minds can't get results without help, and we already value money, so when we pay hard earned cash for something our subconscious picks up that it's important to us. Like OP said, if it's placebo, it'll be the money and effort and time we put into the change.
This is another good reason to pay for self-improvement, pirated stuff won't get as much value on a subconscious level.
Of course, YMMV
RE: Is it really the subs? - Shannon - 03-20-2014
Placebo is a badly misunderstood concept. While it exists, and it can be very powerful, it is rarely permanent, or even long term in effect unless the person has a very specific personality type and a specific set of circumstances backing that end result up. As a consequence, most people see placebo effect fade in 1-2 weeks.
If you want to understand placebo better, read the interview that I did. It's available here:
http://www.subliminal-shop.com/interview-with-shannon/
At this point, I'm working heavily with technologies that I have not much released, which exist only in a few programs such as MIR. These programs I am working in and on are focused in "instant effect". You would think that this would be impossible to distinguish from placebo, but in fact the reverse is true: it is no longer possible to produce such dramatic results so fast merely from placebo.
One of the things I have done recently is to create a nasal decongestant based on this technology, and I have done blind tests with it that reveal that "placebo effect" has next to no result, while the actual program produces results consistently and predictably.
The same is true of the pain relief prototypes. The placebo produces no result or very little pain relief, and the real thing produces dramatic, obvious and very noticeable pain relief.
It also works for the experimental aphrodisiacs, and the MIR program, and others I have based on this technology.
If you'd like to see what effect the sub us having, stop using it*, and then try to achieve the same result without it.
* Unless you're using AM, of course.
Until you really understand placebo, you can't cry foul because of it. I have found that even psychology professionals and scientists don't always really understand placebo, and this causes no end of problems.
To really understand placebo, you need to understand a lot of variables involved that very few people realize exist, take into account, or are willing to see.