enoch’s UMS v2 journey - enoch - 03-08-2025
I started using UMS v2 on December 8, 2021 until February 28, 2025. I’ve completed 5 runs of this program according to the 1-2-3-4 instructions over the span of 3 years, including 2 runs of only the 4th stage. I did not keep a journal, only my listening schedule so this’ll come from memory.
TL;DR
This sub works and it’s amazing. It opened up opportunities to make money. It made it easier to make money. It changed my perception of money.
When I started this program, my main goal was to be financially independent so I can be free to pursue my passion without worrying about when and how the next paycheck is gonna arrive to cover my bills. The plan was saving as much as I can from my income and passively investing it in index funds until my investments earn what I spend annually. As of this writing, my journey to become financially independent is not done, though I am financially stable.
I was looking for a new job towards the end of 2021. This is when I first noticed the sub kicking in. First sign was I got multiple interviews lined up by January 2022 which is rare as it usually takes months and it’s sporadic one here, one there schedules. Second, I’ve somehow become comfortable and confident with interviews. Speaking to a group of people always made me nervous and anxious before, 1 of those job interviews had 9 people asking me questions in one call and I managed to crack jokes. Third, 5 of those job interviews I made to the last round, then 3 of those gave me an offer with a substantial increase from my current job at 30%-50%. By the end of February 2022, I started a new full time job.
Other ways I noticed the sub doing its thing is when I get double booked on meetings, one or both will get cancelled. When I’m hustling to finish a project, I get little to no distraction from outside events like getting asked for help or invited for a meeting. The company did well in profits, I received a 10k bonus the next year during performance review. This was the highest bonus I’ve ever received at the time, compared to 300 gift cards prior.
In 2023, I explored other areas to make money. I got into trading crypto. It was lucrative. My outlook on money changed around this time. I've always been frugal with my money before. I will spend a long time rationalizing and asking myself if I really need whatever I’m looking to purchase vs investing that money. This time though, I felt like I had so much money that it doesn’t matter if I spend it here or there, more will come. My thought process became, I’d rather spend the money than spend time thinking about whether to spend it or not. Time is more valuable than money. Occasionally, out of nowhere, I'd exclaim in my head “I’m making a shit ton of money!”. Whether I’m taking a shower, getting ready to sleep, waking up in the middle of the night, waking up in the morning, looking in the mirror, in the middle of the day at work I’d just blurt out about “I’m making a lot of money” in my head.
By Q2 2023, I’ve completed 3 runs of 1-2-3-4 stages. After taking a month break, I felt that I had enough foundation so I decided to run only the 4th stage for the next 4 months. Things turned differently this time, I lost a chunk of money from trading crypto, I started to get burnt out at work, my mental health has deteriorated. I’ve lost money before, and it used to take a toll on me to get over it but this time I got depressed for a short time and got back up. I stopped actively trading and I reverted back to passively investing in index funds and focused on getting back on track at work. I start thinking that maybe my brain is bored from this sub so I switched to ASC 5G for the rest of the year (3 months).
In 2024, I started listening to UMS v2 again following 1-2-3-4 stages for 2 runs. I reached a milestone with one of my goals with this sub beginning of the year.
Q2 2024, I noticed that one particular company stock I own has been getting my attention through email and social media out of nowhere. I started having a dilemma about pulling out my investments in index funds and increasing my share on this one. I ended up sticking with my passive investing strategy then 3 weeks later, that company’s stock price shot up 500%. I felt a massive amount of regret because I missed out, this feeling lasted for a couple of months.
Q3 2024 I set aside money from my index funds investment and started actively trading stock options in order to reach my goal sooner than grinding for years. I’ve made a great chunk of money in the beginning and it gave me confidence that I can make it with the help of this sub.
Q4 2024 I completed my 5th run of 1-2-3-4 stages.
In December 2024, I started running only the 4th stage but with a different schedule and configuration, Monday through Friday, 2 loops, android phone speakers with volume at 20 out of 25. Mid December, the stock market tanked losing 40% of my portfolio. This was a huge blow and yet I didn’t feel anything. It’s weird I’m not fazed by this even though it’s a significant chunk of money. I thought that It’s good that I’m not becoming depressed over this but it also worries me that maybe I don’t value money? But I need money to reach my goal. It's confusing.
January 2025, I got a job offer for a contracting gig from a colleague’s network. They really wanted me to join, I was quite surprised by this but I declined.
February 2025, I got a nice bonus and an above average raise from work despite surviving layoffs and downturn in company profits. My active trading in stock options is not doing very well. I don’t know what to do with that yet, perhaps I’ll liquidate and invest them back into my index funds. I got notified about 6G subs released by IML in my email. I am really interested in OSC 6G! ASC has been my favorite sub. But I also want to reach financial independence as early as possible.
March 2025, I decided to take a break from UMS v2 beginning March 2025 for a month. I’m considering using either OSC 6G next, or a full run of UMS v2. I’d like to get my hands on UMS v3 6G though. Hopefully, we get enough interest in UMS v3 6G for Shannon to build it soon while I also like the idea of AM7 (I ran AM2011, AM5, and AM6 x2 in the past), I believe UMS will help everyone here with the financial aspect of their life and in turn support Shannon with his other exciting subs. Cast your vote! https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Which-of-these-would-you-buy-if-I-built-it-next
RE: enoch’s UMS v2 journey - thectexperience1 - 03-09-2025
Thanks so much for sharing. I hope for something similar from my run.
RE: enoch’s UMS v2 journey - Max Hunter - 03-09-2025
(03-08-2025, 12:39 PM)enoch Wrote: I started using UMS v2 on December 8, 2021 until February 28, 2025. I’ve completed 5 runs of this program according to the 1-2-3-4 instructions over the span of 3 years, including 2 runs of only the 4th stage. I did not keep a journal, only my listening schedule so this’ll come from memory.
TL;DR
This sub works and it’s amazing. It opened up opportunities to make money. It made it easier to make money. It changed my perception of money.
When I started this program, my main goal was to be financially independent so I can be free to pursue my passion without worrying about when and how the next paycheck is gonna arrive to cover my bills. The plan was saving as much as I can from my income and passively investing it in index funds until my investments earn what I spend annually. As of this writing, my journey to become financially independent is not done, though I am financially stable.
I was looking for a new job towards the end of 2021. This is when I first noticed the sub kicking in. First sign was I got multiple interviews lined up by January 2022 which is rare as it usually takes months and it’s sporadic one here, one there schedules. Second, I’ve somehow become comfortable and confident with interviews. Speaking to a group of people always made me nervous and anxious before, 1 of those job interviews had 9 people asking me questions in one call and I managed to crack jokes. Third, 5 of those job interviews I made to the last round, then 3 of those gave me an offer with a substantial increase from my current job at 30%-50%. By the end of February 2022, I started a new full time job.
Other ways I noticed the sub doing its thing is when I get double booked on meetings, one or both will get cancelled. When I’m hustling to finish a project, I get little to no distraction from outside events like getting asked for help or invited for a meeting. The company did well in profits, I received a 10k bonus the next year during performance review. This was the highest bonus I’ve ever received at the time, compared to 300 gift cards prior.
In 2023, I explored other areas to make money. I got into trading crypto. It was lucrative. My outlook on money changed around this time. I've always been frugal with my money before. I will spend a long time rationalizing and asking myself if I really need whatever I’m looking to purchase vs investing that money. This time though, I felt like I had so much money that it doesn’t matter if I spend it here or there, more will come. My thought process became, I’d rather spend the money than spend time thinking about whether to spend it or not. Time is more valuable than money. Occasionally, out of nowhere, I'd exclaim in my head “I’m making a shit ton of money!”. Whether I’m taking a shower, getting ready to sleep, waking up in the middle of the night, waking up in the morning, looking in the mirror, in the middle of the day at work I’d just blurt out about “I’m making a lot of money” in my head.
By Q2 2023, I’ve completed 3 runs of 1-2-3-4 stages. After taking a month break, I felt that I had enough foundation so I decided to run only the 4th stage for the next 4 months. Things turned differently this time, I lost a chunk of money from trading crypto, I started to get burnt out at work, my mental health has deteriorated. I’ve lost money before, and it used to take a toll on me to get over it but this time I got depressed for a short time and got back up. I stopped actively trading and I reverted back to passively investing in index funds and focused on getting back on track at work. I start thinking that maybe my brain is bored from this sub so I switched to ASC 5G for the rest of the year (3 months).
In 2024, I started listening to UMS v2 again following 1-2-3-4 stages for 2 runs. I reached a milestone with one of my goals with this sub beginning of the year.
Q2 2024, I noticed that one particular company stock I own has been getting my attention through email and social media out of nowhere. I started having a dilemma about pulling out my investments in index funds and increasing my share on this one. I ended up sticking with my passive investing strategy then 3 weeks later, that company’s stock price shot up 500%. I felt a massive amount of regret because I missed out, this feeling lasted for a couple of months.
Q3 2024 I set aside money from my index funds investment and started actively trading stock options in order to reach my goal sooner than grinding for years. I’ve made a great chunk of money in the beginning and it gave me confidence that I can make it with the help of this sub.
Q4 2024 I completed my 5th run of 1-2-3-4 stages.
In December 2024, I started running only the 4th stage but with a different schedule and configuration, Monday through Friday, 2 loops, android phone speakers with volume at 20 out of 25. Mid December, the stock market tanked losing 40% of my portfolio. This was a huge blow and yet I didn’t feel anything. It’s weird I’m not fazed by this even though it’s a significant chunk of money. I thought that It’s good that I’m not becoming depressed over this but it also worries me that maybe I don’t value money? But I need money to reach my goal. It's confusing.
January 2025, I got a job offer for a contracting gig from a colleague’s network. They really wanted me to join, I was quite surprised by this but I declined.
February 2025, I got a nice bonus and an above average raise from work despite surviving layoffs and downturn in company profits. My active trading in stock options is not doing very well. I don’t know what to do with that yet, perhaps I’ll liquidate and invest them back into my index funds. I got notified about 6G subs released by IML in my email. I am really interested in OSC 6G! ASC has been my favorite sub. But I also want to reach financial independence as early as possible.
March 2025, I decided to take a break from UMS v2 beginning March 2025 for a month. I’m considering using either OSC 6G next, or a full run of UMS v2. I’d like to get my hands on UMS v3 6G though. Hopefully, we get enough interest in UMS v3 6G for Shannon to build it soon while I also like the idea of AM7 (I ran AM2011, AM5, and AM6 x2 in the past), I believe UMS will help everyone here with the financial aspect of their life and in turn support Shannon with his other exciting subs. Cast your vote! https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Which-of-these-would-you-buy-if-I-built-it-next
Thanks a lot for sharing your journey, I learn a lot from it.
RE: enoch’s UMS v2 journey - Frosted - 03-09-2025
@enoch I respect the dedication to one subliminal for so long. I’m curious how you’ll develop with 6G with the base you’ve developed.
RE: enoch’s UMS v2 journey - enoch - 03-11-2025
I remember one more instance where I believe UMS v2 kicked in is towards the end of 2023, my car broke down. Rather than have it fixed I decided to trade it in. Went to a local dealer, picked the car I liked from the showroom and told them I'd get it today if they give me the sticker price as the out the door price. They also gave me 2.5% interest rate for 4 years. This was probably the least amount of time I spent in a dealership.
(03-09-2025, 02:26 PM)Frosted Wrote: @enoch I respect the dedication to one subliminal for so long. I’m curious how you’ll develop with 6G with the base you’ve developed.
Thank you for that, it wasn't always easy. Occasionally, there would be stretches of time where I'd envy some folks who are able to use new IML releases and wonder how my experience would be under it. It's always this ping pong battle in my head should I switch or not.
RE: enoch’s UMS v2 journey - Frosted - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 07:56 AM)enoch Wrote: (03-09-2025, 02:26 PM)Frosted Wrote: @enoch I respect the dedication to one subliminal for so long. I’m curious how you’ll develop with 6G with the base you’ve developed.
Thank you for that, it wasn't always easy. Occasionally, there would be stretches of time where I'd envy some folks who are able to use new IML releases and wonder how my experience would be under it. It's always this ping pong battle in my head should I switch or not.
Yep, I’ve had very similar experiences. Sticking with it can be hard, but is worth it in my opinion.
RE: enoch’s UMS v2 journey - NOMAD - 03-11-2025
(03-08-2025, 12:39 PM)enoch Wrote: I started using UMS v2 on December 8, 2021 until February 28, 2025. I’ve completed 5 runs of this program according to the 1-2-3-4 instructions over the span of 3 years, including 2 runs of only the 4th stage. I did not keep a journal, only my listening schedule so this’ll come from memory.
TL;DR
This sub works and it’s amazing. It opened up opportunities to make money. It made it easier to make money. It changed my perception of money.
When I started this program, my main goal was to be financially independent so I can be free to pursue my passion without worrying about when and how the next paycheck is gonna arrive to cover my bills. The plan was saving as much as I can from my income and passively investing it in index funds until my investments earn what I spend annually. As of this writing, my journey to become financially independent is not done, though I am financially stable.
I was looking for a new job towards the end of 2021. This is when I first noticed the sub kicking in. First sign was I got multiple interviews lined up by January 2022 which is rare as it usually takes months and it’s sporadic one here, one there schedules. Second, I’ve somehow become comfortable and confident with interviews. Speaking to a group of people always made me nervous and anxious before, 1 of those job interviews had 9 people asking me questions in one call and I managed to crack jokes. Third, 5 of those job interviews I made to the last round, then 3 of those gave me an offer with a substantial increase from my current job at 30%-50%. By the end of February 2022, I started a new full time job.
Other ways I noticed the sub doing its thing is when I get double booked on meetings, one or both will get cancelled. When I’m hustling to finish a project, I get little to no distraction from outside events like getting asked for help or invited for a meeting. The company did well in profits, I received a 10k bonus the next year during performance review. This was the highest bonus I’ve ever received at the time, compared to 300 gift cards prior.
In 2023, I explored other areas to make money. I got into trading crypto. It was lucrative. My outlook on money changed around this time. I've always been frugal with my money before. I will spend a long time rationalizing and asking myself if I really need whatever I’m looking to purchase vs investing that money. This time though, I felt like I had so much money that it doesn’t matter if I spend it here or there, more will come. My thought process became, I’d rather spend the money than spend time thinking about whether to spend it or not. Time is more valuable than money. Occasionally, out of nowhere, I'd exclaim in my head “I’m making a shit ton of money!”. Whether I’m taking a shower, getting ready to sleep, waking up in the middle of the night, waking up in the morning, looking in the mirror, in the middle of the day at work I’d just blurt out about “I’m making a lot of money” in my head.
By Q2 2023, I’ve completed 3 runs of 1-2-3-4 stages. After taking a month break, I felt that I had enough foundation so I decided to run only the 4th stage for the next 4 months. Things turned differently this time, I lost a chunk of money from trading crypto, I started to get burnt out at work, my mental health has deteriorated. I’ve lost money before, and it used to take a toll on me to get over it but this time I got depressed for a short time and got back up. I stopped actively trading and I reverted back to passively investing in index funds and focused on getting back on track at work. I start thinking that maybe my brain is bored from this sub so I switched to ASC 5G for the rest of the year (3 months).
In 2024, I started listening to UMS v2 again following 1-2-3-4 stages for 2 runs. I reached a milestone with one of my goals with this sub beginning of the year.
Q2 2024, I noticed that one particular company stock I own has been getting my attention through email and social media out of nowhere. I started having a dilemma about pulling out my investments in index funds and increasing my share on this one. I ended up sticking with my passive investing strategy then 3 weeks later, that company’s stock price shot up 500%. I felt a massive amount of regret because I missed out, this feeling lasted for a couple of months.
Q3 2024 I set aside money from my index funds investment and started actively trading stock options in order to reach my goal sooner than grinding for years. I’ve made a great chunk of money in the beginning and it gave me confidence that I can make it with the help of this sub.
Q4 2024 I completed my 5th run of 1-2-3-4 stages.
In December 2024, I started running only the 4th stage but with a different schedule and configuration, Monday through Friday, 2 loops, android phone speakers with volume at 20 out of 25. Mid December, the stock market tanked losing 40% of my portfolio. This was a huge blow and yet I didn’t feel anything. It’s weird I’m not fazed by this even though it’s a significant chunk of money. I thought that It’s good that I’m not becoming depressed over this but it also worries me that maybe I don’t value money? But I need money to reach my goal. It's confusing.
January 2025, I got a job offer for a contracting gig from a colleague’s network. They really wanted me to join, I was quite surprised by this but I declined.
February 2025, I got a nice bonus and an above average raise from work despite surviving layoffs and downturn in company profits. My active trading in stock options is not doing very well. I don’t know what to do with that yet, perhaps I’ll liquidate and invest them back into my index funds. I got notified about 6G subs released by IML in my email. I am really interested in OSC 6G! ASC has been my favorite sub. But I also want to reach financial independence as early as possible.
March 2025, I decided to take a break from UMS v2 beginning March 2025 for a month. I’m considering using either OSC 6G next, or a full run of UMS v2. I’d like to get my hands on UMS v3 6G though. Hopefully, we get enough interest in UMS v3 6G for Shannon to build it soon while I also like the idea of AM7 (I ran AM2011, AM5, and AM6 x2 in the past), I believe UMS will help everyone here with the financial aspect of their life and in turn support Shannon with his other exciting subs. Cast your vote! https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Which-of-these-would-you-buy-if-I-built-it-next
Very nice. I ran UMSv2 for about a year and half was pleased with the results. I fully intend to run UMSv3 some time after AM7.
RE: enoch’s UMS v2 journey - enoch - 03-27-2025
It's been almost a month since I'm off UMS v2. I noticed my workload has shot through the roof, my focus has been constantly challenged by distractions both by work and non-work. On the bright side, I got a letter from IRS informing me that I'll be getting an additional $200 refund separately. I genuinely thought I was going to get audited when I picked up the mail *phew*.
I got UMS v3 but I've been using OSC 6G (w/o DRS) for 2 weeks so I'll complete that first (I'm considering 2 runs of this before switching to UMS v3). I also want to note that I've become impatient, easily upset about little things, and angry at my current state every other day. When I'm on a meeting, especially if it's 1 on 1 meeting, in the past I would let them talk and explain all details even if I already know the topic very well, now I catch myself cutting them off (often abruptly) and telling them to move on to the next topic or cut the meeting short if they don't have any question for me. I don't know if I'm just being protective of my time or I am too stressed and cranky. I feel like a dick most of the time.
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