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myth's DMSI 3.5 Journal - myth - 12-12-2021 So, to pick up where my last thread left off, my undocumented sub usage since ending OF has consisted of:
Even though MHS had coincided with health-related improvements that've made me feel years younger, I doubt that I could've identified what OF, MHS, or AOL were intended to achieve without prior explanation. In a blind taste-test, I'd have guessed that AOL was for stress relief, that OF was for surmounting excuses that hinder work productivity, and that MHS was for dreaming dreams in which I was personally absent. These impressions may be telling about how love, fear, and health intersect with my specific personality, but, even if that's the case, these presentations were still surprising to me. And that was 5.75G through 5.75.7G. Now, I guess that it's time to try 5.8G. I've been running DMSI 3.4 (masked/FLAC/50% laptop headphone volume) since the 9th, following a couple weeks of no subs at all. As with past DSMI runs, I've felt none of the heat, sweating, or other physical side effects that people usually report, either during listening or socialization. This sub has historically synced up with changes in my personal interactions, not my thermometer readings. Observations so far:
DMSI isn't a sub that I strictly need to run, and this is probably also a particularly useless time to run it. I'm not going anywhere for at least a month, so social variety will be nearly nonexistent, and the only woman physically in my vicinity first hit on me over 25 years ago. Hello, foregone conclusions. I'll definitely have plenty of room to notice if/when something out of the ordinary occurs, but there'll be far fewer opportunities for it to do so. Not sure if my reporting will be all that helpful, especially given that most relationships in my life have already been prompted by others, not by me. The outcomes have typically been predicated by how much I did or didn't reciprocate. I'm certainly not always wanted by those who I find attractive, just as I don't always want those who find me attractive, but, aside from physical appearance not being everything (even when it comes to sexual attraction), everybody has their own taste, and I focus more on those who do appreciate me than on those who don't. If we're like oil and water together, the sex is rarely any good. Another MHS run would probably have been a more timely choice than DMSI, and UMS wouldn't have hurt either, given that I've been effectively paying 2x rent for a year and 2x food for 2 years, but I don't particularly enjoy the feeling of running a sub out of desperation. That, and the lifestyle changes that I'd begun during my previous MHS runs, while increasingly beneficial since their introduction, still have plenty of road left to run. They still need time to get where they're going. Expecting fruit immediately from seed would do little more than demonstrate either an ignorance or a denial of the valuable intermediate steps. So, to sum up, I'm back on DMSI again. If I observe any significant changes, I'll probably mention them here. RE: myth's DMSI 3.4 Journal - myth - 12-13-2021 Yeah, I wasn't expecting me to post again so soon either. But, since I've gone to the trouble of doing so, these are some other unusual tidbits that I've noticed:
RE: myth's DMSI 3.4 Journal - myth - 12-14-2021 Switching to DMSI 3.5 on my next listen, I guess. Expected, I know, but probably worth timestamping. Not sure if I've really given 3.4 a fair chance to show what it can do, but I'm loosely assuming that a minor version bump (in contrast to the minor revision bumps that occurred during 3.3.x) might mean that some significant improvement has been introduced. The sales page hasn't seemed very obvious about any differences, but, if this is one of Shannon's mystery surprises, I probably shouldn't expect it to be. Oh well. Don't need to know what it is to be able to enjoy it. RE: myth's DMSI 3.5 Journal - myth - 12-19-2021 And I realize that I'm a little behind on posting even a single observation on 3.5. Whoops! So far:
I'm not saying that all relationships are like this or that Shannon wouldn't consider potential negative outcomes, but I am saying that it's easy to think that one's relationship is healthier than it actually is and to think that mind-programming for couples is a currently favorable choice. In my case, the problems weren't out in the open for the first 3 years, so even a long(-ish)-term relationship doesn't always equate to knowing the person/relationship well enough to tell the difference. Back then, I'd been as excited about couples programming as the forum seems to be now, but that'd been before I'd lived through its downside. It's one thing for a sub to have safeties built into it, but I'm guessing that, as with the ME sub, there might be no undo option. If IML were to offer such a sub eventually, it seems to me that users being very sure of their relationship's health might be important. RE: myth's DMSI 3.5 Journal - Shannon - 12-19-2021 I think you're a little paranoid here. DMSI for couples would be about making the couple more sexually attractive to each other. Easier and more fluid sexual attraction, arousal and seduction of one's chosen partner is not going to result in what you experienced. It sounds to me like either your relationship had some unusual toxoicity involved, the subliminal was poorly designed and scripted, or both. The effects I have seen on my relationship were very positive, although of course the down side was that DMSI is designed to result in sexual interaction with whomever you find sexually attractive, not just one person. DMSI for couples will be focused entirely on your significant other(s). Plural for those of you who are polygamous/polyandrous/polygynous. RE: myth's DMSI 3.5 Journal - myth - 12-19-2021 (12-19-2021, 12:29 PM)Shannon Wrote: I think you're a little paranoid here. DMSI for couples would be about making the couple more sexually attractive to each other.Understood. And the first half of my point was to illustrate how more sexual attraction (and kindling/rekindling sparks and going to couples therapy and more) can prolong/enhance relationships, including unhealthy ones. Whether or not someone wants to prolong/enhance an unhealthy relationship is their choice, of course, but the second half of my point was that people may not always realize how unhealthy the relationship is. I'm certainly not suggesting that all (or even most) relationships are unhealthy (or, to use your terminology, "toxic"), but, while I'm not completely convinced that it's paranoid to suggest evaluating a relationship's health/trajectory before hitting the accelerator, I do realize that I shouldn't have cast any accidental aspersions as to the quality of anyone else's relationships. Besides, everyone has their own definitions of healthy/unhealthy. Mine only apply to me. In any case, my last post's point overstepped the intent of my public journals anyway. I usually aim for observational summaries, and, instead, I seem to have veered off into the Land of What Ifs. I'll make an effort to stay more on-course in future posts. RE: myth's DMSI 3.5 Journal - Shannon - 12-19-2021 (12-19-2021, 07:39 PM)myth Wrote:(12-19-2021, 12:29 PM)Shannon Wrote: I think you're a little paranoid here. DMSI for couples would be about making the couple more sexually attractive to each other.Understood. And the first half of my point was to illustrate how more sexual attraction (and kindling/rekindling sparks and going to couples therapy and more) can prolong/enhance relationships, including unhealthy ones. Would your relationship have fared any better without the program you used, or would it have been a longer, slower death of the same sort? By the sounds of it, it was already suffering some serious issues before you used that program. I appreciate your point, but having been through what you're referring to myself, I'm of the opinion that adding sexual attraction will neither save nor destroy a relationship that is going to die anyway. RE: myth's DMSI 3.5 Journal - myth - 12-20-2021 (12-19-2021, 09:44 PM)Shannon Wrote: Would your relationship have fared any better without the program you used, or would it have been a longer, slower death of the same sort? By the sounds of it, it was already suffering some serious issues before you used that program. I appreciate your point, but having been through what you're referring to myself, I'm of the opinion that adding sexual attraction will neither save nor destroy a relationship that is going to die anyway. Do I think that the relationship would've fared better without the program? Only if you mean "ended sooner" when you say "fared better." Not that I'd credit the program as the sole contributor, as I've already mentioned. Do I think that it'd have been a longer, slower death without the programming? Hrm. Confusing question. Was a decade of receiving unnecessary (and sometimes abusive) phone calls (after the near-year-long break-up) not unusually long and slow already? She'd hated me before she'd ever met me and, from whatever truth I'd ever gleaned, never really stopped. If that's not a serious issue, I'm not sure what is. It seems as if you think that I'm blaming mind-programming for ruining/not saving/not fixing a salvageable relationship. I'm really not. I think that, post-hoc, it'd contributed to prolonging (via memories, nostalgia, shared history, in-jokes, etc) what really needed to end, not anything that I'd wanted to last longer. We didn't run it to fix or save anything. We ran it because, like many people, I'd thought that a couples program for a healthy relationship would be a lot of fun. We'd run it a year before she'd admitted how much she'd been lying about, back when the relationship had seemed healthy -- but was nothing of the sort. I don't believe that the program was at fault for anything. I also don't believe that it'd been scripted poorly. Or that I'd seen any downside until years later. I just think that I'd foolishly chosen to run mind-programming with someone who'd secretly hated me for years, someone who'd spent years afterward angrily contacting me while groaning that she didn't want to think about me at all. Of course, I've seen similar situations with couples who hadn't run mind-programming, so, as I've said, I'm not holding couples mind-programming as a sole contributor, but I'm also not sure that there's a huge difference between memorable moments inspired by couples mind-programming and memorable moments inspired by couples therapy, a couples retreat/vacation/road trip, etc. More to the point, I know that other unhealthy relationships exist. Are they unhealthy in exactly the same ways? I'd hope not. But I don't think that all of them are obviously unhealthy to their participants, and they might be unaware that adding a little extra glue might make future contingency plans stickier later. Might not matter as much in a sexual, non-romantic context, but I'd mentioned it here in case it does. RE: myth's DMSI 3.5 Journal - Shannon - 12-20-2021 The whole point I was raising is what seems to be confirmed here. You were engaged in a relationship with someone who had what sounds like a mental and or emotional disorder. The relationship would have self destructed regardless. So warning people about the mind programming isn't going to do much when it's the person you chose who was the real issue. Been there, done that. RE: myth's DMSI 3.5 Journal - myth - 12-20-2021 (12-20-2021, 12:37 PM)Shannon Wrote: The whole point I was raising is what seems to be confirmed here. You were engaged in a relationship with someone who had what sounds like a mental and or emotional disorder. The relationship would have self destructed regardless. So warning people about the mind programming isn't going to do much when it's the person you chose who was the real issue. Been there, done that. Absolutely. My original comment on this topic was about the value of being "very sure" about the person/relationship's health before getting into something like that. As you've said, the person/relationship, not the programming or type of program. Sorry if I hadn't made that clear or concise enough initially. Many on the forum have probably bought the T-shirt on relationships like these, but it'd crossed my mind that not everybody might've. RE: myth's DMSI 3.5 Journal - myth - 12-30-2021 More recently-observed changes that've occurred in parallel with the sub run:
Thoughts stirred up by one of Tuesday night's dreams, not that I'm entirely sure why they'd seemed to matter at the time:
One or both dreams may have been unrelated to the sub, but their recollection had seemed worthy of a quick mention anyhow. RE: myth's DMSI 3.5 Journal - myth - 01-15-2022 So, after a month on DMSI 3.5 (or over a month, if I count 3.4), I can easily say that it's the most comfortable version of DMSI that I can recall running. But, as I've stated before, my set of possible responders (for the next few weeks or months) is/would be N=1, and she'd first "responded" over half a lifetime ago. All observations since my last post have been continuations. Unfortunately, my current excuse for a social life hasn't made this journal (or specific sub run) very interesting, informative, or illuminating, and, for that, I take full responsibility. I'd chosen to run 3.4/3.5 for fun, not for perfect timing/circumstances. I'll happily continue to bank a little more time on DMSI as UH's release date approaches, but, as my health's kept me from entering my own home since late 2019, it's hard to convince myself that DMSI (a sub whose goal's a bit ill-suited to my present situation) is somehow the best use of my energy, focus, and effort. I'm not usually one to sub-hop after only a month or so, but UH sounds like it'll be far more assistive with my goals of the past few years than DMSI is. Unless something remarkable occurs during the rest of this run, I'll probably close this journal here. Might reopen it again if I revisit 3.5 after my social activities resume. For multiple reasons, my plans for UH don't include keeping a public journal. |