(07-13-2020, 10:09 AM)rono Wrote: Hi All,

Beginning a log for Appetite Suppressant 5.75.

My wife has asked for help with losing about 10 lbs or so. We have tried other weight loss subs from other vendors, but none had any effect. So I suggested we try this one.

About us:
We're currently in our mid 60s (year 2020)
Exercise daily 
My wife once in the past allowed her weight to creep up to about 165+ though she is only 5'4". She was able to bring it back down to about 135 and keep it there for a couple years, but it is now creeping back up and she wants to nip it in the bud.

In the past, we used calorie counting (I say 'we' because I join her in whatever disciplines she is following for ease of cooking, scheduling, etc.) and had tremendous success using the app 'My Fitness Pal'. She still uses it, but it is no longer 'working'.

We're sexually active together several times a week, and have a fairly active and busy lifestyle in general.

We eat healthy and have currently been very content with the results of a higher healthy fat, lower carb diet. This has worked marvelously for me, I have mostly kept my weight in the range I desire for a decade, which is 191 plus or minus 8 pounds. I'm 6'2" and the last time that I weighed over 200 was over a decade ago. I did it intentionally because I was seeking to pack on muscle.

Our eating habits include dinner together every evening, but we only enjoy a breakfast on Saturday. Only have lunch/brunch on Sunday. Breakfast would be a cup of "Bulletproof Coffee" often with some collagen protein. I will have an occasional protein shake to keep my protein intake up. Thanks to the Bulletproof Coffee and higher fat diet, I no longer have sugar cravings and I do not get hungry very often.

My wife has cravings for nuts, especially salty. Other than that she's not much of a muncher.

So tonight I'll begin playing the App Supp sub. But before I do, I wanted to ask Shannon (or Ben or someone with experience with this sub):
1) Since I'll be playing this at night, I will be hearing it as well as my wife. I am at what I consider my ideal weight, what effects would I expect to see from this sub? 
2) Should I try to have her listen to it in her office at her computer, etc. rather than at night so that I won't be exposed?
3) If there would be ill effects for me, how would they manifest?
4) Is there a chance that the sub would want my ideal weight calculation to be greater than 195lbs? (I'm 6'2")

Thanks!


Rono

Quote:1) Since I'll be playing this at night, I will be hearing it as well as my wife. I am at what I consider my ideal weight, what effects would I expect to see from this sub? 

Quote:2) Should I try to have her listen to it in her office at her computer, etc. rather than at night so that I won't be exposed?

Quote:3) If there would be ill effects for me, how would they manifest?

Quote:4) Is there a chance that the sub would want my ideal weight calculation to be greater than 195lbs? (I'm 6'2")

(07-30-2020, 02:48 PM)rono Wrote: Hi All, 

So it's Day 4 of the rest period following the 2nd cycle of AS5.75. Iow we're about 20 days in depending how you count.

We have been listening at night following the prescribed protocol. I put the speaker on my wife's side of the bed and turn it down lower than I did on DMSI, etc. bec I was not interested in it affecting me. Apparently, it still has. Without trying or noticing changes in habits (though I'm sure there are some subtle ones) I'm down a bit.

I've clearly lost weight but only a couple pounds. Mind you, I was happy with my weight where it was, so I'm not thrilled, but also not afraid. I've gotten down to 187 and still felt ok, I just prefer being between 190 and 195 and I've now dropped to the low end of that after having been slightly above, but not unhappily so.

Now about my wife. I got this for her at her request and she does not yet appear to be responding. I haven't noticed any changes in behavior, in fact, a couple old bad habits have sneaked back in (e.g. munching nuts and not putting them into her 'myfitnesspal' app on her phone).

I'm not trying to resist and am consciously open to the positive effects the sub could have, as is she. But I'm responding quickly and she is not. No sign on the scale, nor in her measurements (we take these weekly at her request--she is very fitness conscious, just not good at appetite control). She has continued to workout faithfully in spite of a couple minor injuries that have caused her a little pain.

Any thoughts? The first thing that occurs to me, is that maybe she's not getting enough exposure in the 4 days on 7 days off pattern. Like her subconscious is so distracted by life it 'deletes' it in the first day or so. Would it be advisable to give her a 'booster' exposure on her computer during the day? Just one or two loops for a couple days in the rest periods?

She really wants this to work, as do I, she doesn't want to go back to where she was, but her new lifestyle that worked for a couple years, is no longer keeping her weight down, rather allowing it to creep back up. This pattern has continued so far on the sub.

Also, I finally asked her what the weight diff is that represents what she thinks is her ideal weight and it is a minimum of 15 pounds below where she currently is (almost 150 at 5'4") whereas I thought originally it was only 10lbs. Her clothes are starting to be too tight to zip all the way up, etc. At her activity level, exercising almost every day, that seems high, so I don't think the algorithm is going to be happy with that. If it is, then she'll be very disappointed with the expense and the effort.

Is there anything I can have her do to 'work with the sub'? Thoughts, affirmations, etc. to help her get over any resistance there might be, albeit hidden?

Also, in the interest of the scientific method: have you noticed that some people respond better when listening during the day rather than at night? Just a thought.

Looking forward to Shannon's feedback

(07-30-2020, 06:13 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(07-30-2020, 02:48 PM)rono Wrote: Hi All, 

So it's Day 4 of the rest period following the 2nd cycle of AS5.75. Iow we're about 20 days in depending how you count.

We have been listening at night following the prescribed protocol. I put the speaker on my wife's side of the bed and turn it down lower than I did on DMSI, etc. bec I was not interested in it affecting me. Apparently, it still has. Without trying or noticing changes in habits (though I'm sure there are some subtle ones) I'm down a bit.

I've clearly lost weight but only a couple pounds. Mind you, I was happy with my weight where it was, so I'm not thrilled, but also not afraid. I've gotten down to 187 and still felt ok, I just prefer being between 190 and 195 and I've now dropped to the low end of that after having been slightly above, but not unhappily so.

Now about my wife. I got this for her at her request and she does not yet appear to be responding. I haven't noticed any changes in behavior, in fact, a couple old bad habits have sneaked back in (e.g. munching nuts and not putting them into her 'myfitnesspal' app on her phone).

I'm not trying to resist and am consciously open to the positive effects the sub could have, as is she. But I'm responding quickly and she is not. No sign on the scale, nor in her measurements (we take these weekly at her request--she is very fitness conscious, just not good at appetite control). She has continued to workout faithfully in spite of a couple minor injuries that have caused her a little pain.

Any thoughts? The first thing that occurs to me, is that maybe she's not getting enough exposure in the 4 days on 7 days off pattern. Like her subconscious is so distracted by life it 'deletes' it in the first day or so. Would it be advisable to give her a 'booster' exposure on her computer during the day? Just one or two loops for a couple days in the rest periods?

She really wants this to work, as do I, she doesn't want to go back to where she was, but her new lifestyle that worked for a couple years, is no longer keeping her weight down, rather allowing it to creep back up. This pattern has continued so far on the sub.

Also, I finally asked her what the weight diff is that represents what she thinks is her ideal weight and it is a minimum of 15 pounds below where she currently is (almost 150 at 5'4") whereas I thought originally it was only 10lbs. Her clothes are starting to be too tight to zip all the way up, etc. At her activity level, exercising almost every day, that seems high, so I don't think the algorithm is going to be happy with that. If it is, then she'll be very disappointed with the expense and the effort.

Is there anything I can have her do to 'work with the sub'? Thoughts, affirmations, etc. to help her get over any resistance there might be, albeit hidden?

Also, in the interest of the scientific method: have you noticed that some people respond better when listening during the day rather than at night? Just a thought.

Looking forward to Shannon's feedback

The issue your wife is having is that you don't want it to affect you.  By that I mean, you lowered the volume, and the volume you're using is too low, given her resistance response.  For resistant personality types, the required volumes tend to be relatively high.  This is why I use 13/15 on my cell phone; not because I need it, necessarily, but because GF needs it.  She is a very strong willed individual who "don't tell ME what to do!  I do what I want!"s her way through life, much to her own resulting dismay.  

The program should work for her when you play it at that level of volume in ultrasonic format.  

You are used to your current weight, and if it is not your actual ideal weight - and you're not a body builder or athelete - you're going to lose weight and have to realize that your perception of your ideal weight is likely to be off.  Your identity may be based on this belief, and it may be helping reciprocally to shape it.  Appetite suppressant is designed for use by people who are not atheletes or weight lifers, but the ideal weight it calculates is very accurate for the vast majority of the rest - provided they are 16 or older. 

Most Americans have a very skewed perception of what their "ideal weight" is, and it's usually much too high. This happens because the society caters to whomever has the money to spend, and over time, has resulted in things like clothing sizes changing but the size rating staying the same; a "size 9" from 1980 is not the same as a "size 9" from today, for example, and this is one of the things my GF complains about because she resells vintage clothes sometimes, and the sizing is completely different.  So it seems possible that your self perception is that your ideal weight is higher than it really is.  And if you run this program at the volume settings that your wife will respond to, you're going to find out what your real ideal weight is - and hers.  

As for days on to days off, what I suggest you do is this.  Play it at the 13/15 equivalent volume and go through a couple ASRB2 cycles.  Note how she responds during the days off.  In most cases, I see that the first day off is a ramp up, day 2, possibly 3 are peak execution days, and day 3 or 4 starts the fade out.  If she stops executing on day 3 or 4, then make the days off that minus 1.  Setting the volume and the days off correctly will give you optimal results.  Usually when the days off come out like that in the models, it basically means, "There is too much variance for me to be able to answer for everyone, so use this and then have them adjust as necessary for their own optimal results."

(07-31-2020, 07:57 AM)rono Wrote: Hi Shannon,

Thanks for the tips! I will try this. I thought, though, that the critique of american weight perception was that we all want to be 'Barbie and Ken' and tend to think that we should be lighter than we are to the point of obsessing over dieting. So perhaps your program is suggesting to my wife that she should be even lighter than she idealizes... interesting thought. According to 'Medical News Today' her ideal weight for her height is anywhere from 110lbs to 140lbs. She thinks of her ideal weight as 130-135. Perhaps I should suggest that maybe her ideal might be lower to soften her expectations.

Quote:I do lift weights, and that is in order to build/maintain muscle as I get into my later years where muscle mass is a key indicator for longevity and quality of life. Is this what you mean by 'lift weights'? I'm certainly not an athlete, but I do lift weights (and fairly heavy for a non-athlete e.g. bench press with dumbells of 75lbs each). I don't want to lose muscle mass/strength.

Quote:I will start her today on the louder setting and watch more closely ramp up and plateau, etc. I assume the execution period means she actually would drop weight at that time, correct?

Thanks again!

(07-31-2020, 10:39 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(07-31-2020, 07:57 AM)rono Wrote: Hi Shannon,

Thanks for the tips! I will try this. I thought, though, that the critique of american weight perception was that we all want to be 'Barbie and Ken' and tend to think that we should be lighter than we are to the point of obsessing over dieting. So perhaps your program is suggesting to my wife that she should be even lighter than she idealizes... interesting thought. According to 'Medical News Today' her ideal weight for her height is anywhere from 110lbs to 140lbs. She thinks of her ideal weight as 130-135. Perhaps I should suggest that maybe her ideal might be lower to soften her expectations.

Over time, the majority of Americans have become overweight and or obese.  There are those who are not, but that tends to be the few with extremely high metabolisms and those who see what's happening to everyone else and are actively working against it.

I'm not speaking to the validity of the "Barbie and Ken" physique, in either direction.  But it is very telling that we as a society only started having issues with this as an acceptable aspiration when the majority were overweight and or obese!

The rest of the world seems to be trying to get fat by adopting our McDonalds and Donuts society.  I wish they would just shut down McDonald's and the like worldwide and let us keep our ridiculous eating habits, but that's a rant for another day.

The majority of Americans look at Barbie and Ken and think it's unrealistic at best, or impossible at worst, because they are overweight and believe overweight is normal because our society caters to whomever has money.  Flattery will get you rich, apparently.

This is why (some) Americans want to lose weight.  There's a very high probability that if you pick one out of a crowd at random, they really are overweight!  Unfortunately, big business has confused those people into endless useless dieting and doing things that won't result in their goal of weight loss.  Going to the gym, I saw two groups of people.  Group A was fit, and they made that their lifestyle.  Group B was "trying to lose weight", was almost never fit, and 9 times out of 10, were prone to work out for 30 to 120 minutes, and then go have fast food.  Dieting, as we Americans have come to understand it through the corporate orgy of weight loss products, means doing bizarre stuff that we really don't want to do, that may affect our weight slightly in the short run, but won't be sustainable.  

When you do it right, there's a big difference between American style "dieting" and having a healthy diet.  It's a habitual, automatic lifestyle choice when it's done right.  You can eat whatever you want, as long as you eat it in the right amounts per portion and eat it in with the right timing.  Chocolate cake is seen by American "dieters" as the Holy Grail.  They dream of it.  They crave it.  Then they give in and "cheat", and "start dieting again" immediately after.  This happens because they think they need to deny themselves.  Not true; they do need to control themselves, though.  About 1/2 to 1/3rd the normal "American sized" serving of chocolate cake, and eaten occasionally, but not frequently, will do it.  You never crave what is plentifully available and which you are enjoying.  But the belief here is, I must suffer to lose weight.  I must deny myself.  I must not have what I want.  I must only eat what I don't like.  That doesn't work - unless you want to gain weight.

Appetite Suppressant 5.75G simply re-shapes your natural appetite to allow you to eat whatever you want, whenever you want, but only eat amounts that result in your ideal weight regardless.  No denial means no craving means no binging, and that means much easier achievement of the goal weight.  The weight falls off, you never "tried" to do anything and you're enjoying what you eat.  Win-win-win.

One thing you should point out to her is that her ideal weight might not be what she consciously assumes it is.  Let go of expectations of what it is, and allow the program to do its thing.  

Quote:I do lift weights, and that is in order to build/maintain muscle as I get into my later years where muscle mass is a key indicator for longevity and quality of life. Is this what you mean by 'lift weights'? I'm certainly not an athlete, but I do lift weights (and fairly heavy for a non-athlete e.g. bench press with dumbells of 75lbs each). I don't want to lose muscle mass/strength.

If you are an athelete or a body builder, your goal is going to be a lot more muscle and less fat, leading to a very different "ideal weight".  For those people, weight alone is not enough metrics.  They also need to consider things like muscle mass and fat percentage.  So Appetite Suppressant is not designed for them right now.  

If you lift weights to maintain a healthy muscle mass, but you're not body building, or trying to follow the body cycle of cutting and then gaining, you don't need to worry about the weight the program will bring you to.  The optimal weight for males 16+ who are not body builders and atheletes takes into account their natural need for more muscle mass than a woman needs to be optimally healthy.

Quote:I will start her today on the louder setting and watch more closely ramp up and plateau, etc. I assume the execution period means she actually would drop weight at that time, correct?

Thanks again!

You may not see her drop weight right away.  What you should observe is either a stronger resistance response (hopefully not) or a stronger adherence to the goals of the program.

What happens during the days off is pure execution, so it should be most pronounced around days 1-2-3 of the rest cycle.  When it starts fading out, start her back on it.

The goal of the program is to result in weight loss that is at the optimal speed for achieving it easily, and maintaining it easily.  Losing too much too fast causes a yoyo effect, and people end up heavier than they started.  We want to see a weight loss of 2-3 pounds a week, ideally.  Once the program is working fully, that will become a normal regular occurrence until you achieve your ideal weight, at which time you will naturally enter maintenance mode by simple virtue of the fact that you've been eating the exact right amount for maintaining that level of weight the whole time, which is why you lost weight in the first place.

(08-20-2020, 05:18 PM)Shannon Wrote: If she's resisting the sub, then it sounds likely that she is doing the strange thing that causes most people to gain weight, which is, her subconscious is seeking either comfort or security in food and doesn't want to give that up.  

There are a few things you can do.
1. Change the volume.  I don't think this is the best thing to do right now.
2. Decrease her days off.
3. Increase her loops per day.

Of your options, I think if I was in your shoes I would decrease her days off to 1, and increase her loops per day by one per day per cycle until you reach success or hit a limit for how much you can easily play it.  You may also want to play it to her in the moment while she is eating.

(08-22-2020, 11:50 AM)Shannon Wrote: It should help with anything you ingest.  I'm planning to have that be a module in the next version of Weight Loss, and more work will be done to it in the mean time, but by itself it is designed to adjust the appetite.  Without certain other modules, certain personality types may resist it.  By your description, I smell excuses to eat on her part, which probably indicates increasing subconscious feelings of insecurity.  I wonder if maybe she started gaining weight when you started running DMSI because she is afraid of what it's pushing her - and you - to actually do.  Maybe subconscious,y her gaining weight is a way to prevent that from happening.  Part of why I don't recommend it for couples.  It's not designed for couples just yet.

(08-22-2020, 11:50 AM)Shannon Wrote: It should help with anything you ingest.  I'm planning to have that be a module in the next version of Weight Loss, and more work will be done to it in the mean time, but by itself it is designed to adjust the appetite.  Without certain other modules, certain personality types may resist it.  By your description, I smell excuses to eat on her part, which probably indicates increasing subconscious feelings of insecurity.  I wonder if maybe she started gaining weight when you started running DMSI because she is afraid of what it's pushing her - and you - to actually do.  Maybe subconscious,y her gaining weight is a way to prevent that from happening.  Part of why I don't recommend it for couples.  It's not designed for couples just yet.

Quote:Also, there would be no reason for insecurity due to other women because we don't see any other women while we're there, have sex every day, and hangout together the whole time.

Quote:She does have a LOT of anxiety about the Leftist movement that is taking over parts of cities in the US. She and I had experience when we lived in latinamerica regarding such political movements and how destructive they can be and how they can permanently change the way of life for the worse. I wonder if this increased anxiety is one of the reasons for the weight spike. Double-whammy, increased cortisol from the worry and increased intake of food due to the anxiety? Now that I think of it, that sounds very likely.