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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - CatMan - 05-24-2018
(05-24-2018, 06:05 PM)Shannon Wrote: Famous people often have worse than poor social skills. They don't need social skills because THEY'RE FAMOUS. People will do the work for them.
Can vouch for this 100%.
In my line, I naturally rub shoulders with known individuals. Happens often.
Many people would be amazed with how weird, or awkward many are, in social situations. A lot simply haven't had to develop skills in this area for whatever reason. Often, they're successful in their niche, simply because they either hyper-focused on one thing and became really good, or had insane natural talent in that ONE area from the start and rode that upwards. So that social side of them is "stock", if you will.
Now, a good chunk have charisma and social skills to back it up, but there's a sizeable amount that would fade into the background if you didn't know who they were. I'm reminded of some amusing situations like that where I literally had to introduce people to them because there was a disconnect. After learning the person's status etc., IMMEDIATE change in demeanor towards them, haha. Beforehand, ignoring them or even kinda looking down on them. I usually help them play it off by using my patented "They usually aren't so flat, they're really tired and jetlagged from (impressive but true social proof thing here to buff up their status properly)". But the status then drives things for them with no effort. Hell, long ago before I became much more extroverted, it happened to me often too!
Shannon is correct, "they" form the impression in their mind, then go with that, rationalising everything afterwards through that, to "paint a picture" of you. It's tough to describe for a third person view, but it's like they "excuse away" anything that doesn't go with their view of you. Or it's looked at in a positive light or given slack to "maintain the image" they have of you. When their view changes from "he's a random" to "omg he's high status!" suddenly, it's hilarious seeing the GIANT change in behaviour XD. Sometimes it's hard to contain the laughter
. It's true it's zero effort though, because if it took effort, that'd take away from being high status to begin with.I loved that fake celeb prank. Pretty much exactly what it's like. I dress normal etc., so new women wouldn't know my "resume" at a glance. But when they hear about it...same thing, massive change. It hurts in a way, as I wonder why they're now this way and think the worst, but it is what it is. Just the way people are.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - SargeMaximus - 05-24-2018
Well I’ll be thrilled when Dmsi makes it so that women I want pursue me and sleep with me despite all my flaws. XD
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 05-24-2018
(05-24-2018, 07:10 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Well I’ll be thrilled when Dmsi makes it so that women I want pursue me and sleep with me despite all my flaws. XD
Maybe stop thinking of them as "flaws" and start thinking of them as challenges that you can outgrow or learn to overcome.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - SargeMaximus - 05-24-2018
(05-24-2018, 07:45 PM)Shannon Wrote:(05-24-2018, 07:10 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Well I’ll be thrilled when Dmsi makes it so that women I want pursue me and sleep with me despite all my flaws. XD
Maybe stop thinking of them as "flaws" and start thinking of them as challenges that you can outgrow or learn to overcome.
Yeah so, can we have something in Dmsi to help with that then? (Improving social skills)
EDIT: Also, didn't you just imply we wouldn't need good social skills when you said this:
(05-24-2018, 06:05 PM)Shannon Wrote: Once again, Sarge, you're looking for proof that you're right, even if that means you must fail to do it.
[...]
Famous people often have worse than poor social skills. They don't need social skills because THEY'RE FAMOUS. People will do the work for them.
So which is it?
Will we need good social skills to get our 10s or will dmsi make it so we are like celebrities and don't need good social skills?
It's a legitimate question.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Light - 05-24-2018
(05-24-2018, 07:50 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:In my own experience it is not either or! Either charisma or social skills, or else no girls. This is true for a pickup mindset. You have to earn social skills to get women, and with women they mean a few hundreds every year. Girls were falling for me when I was a retard. Going inside a Café was a challenge. Almost daily I see guys with absolute no charisma and obviously no social skills walking with a stunning girl. Now, I am not saying social skills are not good or necessary. I am saying that attracting women is more complex than just charisma or social skills.(05-24-2018, 07:45 PM)Shannon Wrote:(05-24-2018, 07:10 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Well I’ll be thrilled when Dmsi makes it so that women I want pursue me and sleep with me despite all my flaws. XD
Maybe stop thinking of them as "flaws" and start thinking of them as challenges that you can outgrow or learn to overcome.
Yeah so, can we have something in Dmsi to help with that then? (Improving social skills)
EDIT: Also, didn't you just imply we wouldn't need good social skills when you said this:
(05-24-2018, 06:05 PM)Shannon Wrote: Once again, Sarge, you're looking for proof that you're right, even if that means you must fail to do it.
[...]
Famous people often have worse than poor social skills. They don't need social skills because THEY'RE FAMOUS. People will do the work for them.
So which is it?
Will we need good social skills to get our 10s or will dmsi make it so we are like celebrities and don't need good social skills?
It's a legitimate question.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Fluffy - 05-24-2018
(05-24-2018, 04:01 PM)Shannon Wrote:(05-24-2018, 10:05 AM)Fluffy Wrote: @Shannon
Is social skills and sense of humor aspect, directly dealt with in DMSI already?
No.
Quote:If not, do you plan to directly touch on that?
If the goal is for you to have to do nothing, and get results, why would I start adding training wheels again? You are still trying to pursue her, which is the antithesis of the goals of this program.
Quote:Based on what you have observed, will you be making any improvements to ARA that is in DMSI?
I will be making some improvements that result in ARA in the script working better, but those improvements will also result in everything else working better as well.
Quote:In 3.3, will you be adding something for the "down" negative effects, that a person such as myself experiences after releasing/orgasming with a woman, that takes a week to recover from?
I'm not sure that is appropriate to add. I'm also not sure what I would add to counter that, since I don't know what is causing it.
Quote:Do you think DMSI 3.3 will be released by August 2018?
One can certainly hope.
My thinking was that improving social skills and enhancing sense of humour would make the time with the people that seduced us, much more interesting, fun and enjoyable. I mean there is space before, between and after sexy time to fill, why not use that time to function productively like a super cool human? Yeah we have positive qualities of the celebrity, but we don't have to go balls deep and settle for their not so appealing traits either.
You said you only add things to DMSI that help achieve the end goal.
- -Extroversion enhancement and training,
- -Social stability, skill and strength,
- -Develop and display a fantastic sense of humour
You see these as training wheels Shannon? I see these as allowing us to respond to being seduced in the most productive, fun, enjoyable way possible.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - thor2014 - 05-25-2018
Nothing to do with social skills its physical chemistry based on sexual selection
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - thor2014 - 05-25-2018
Has anyone heard from Determined ?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Determined - 05-25-2018
(05-25-2018, 03:02 AM)thor2014 Wrote: Has anyone heard from Determined ?
Lol, I'm right here. I'm just choosing not to get involved in other people's BS.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Zane - 05-25-2018
(05-25-2018, 03:21 AM)Determined Wrote:(05-25-2018, 03:02 AM)thor2014 Wrote: Has anyone heard from Determined ?
Lol, I'm right here. I'm just choosing not to get involved in other people's BS.
Good.. Smart and Intelligent People do that. Always In "Power Saving Mode".
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - thor2014 - 05-25-2018
(05-25-2018, 03:21 AM)Determined Wrote:(05-25-2018, 03:02 AM)thor2014 Wrote: Has anyone heard from Determined ?
Lol, I'm right here. I'm just choosing not to get involved in other people's BS.
Wise move my friend
glad to see you are still here.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 05-25-2018
(05-24-2018, 07:50 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:(05-24-2018, 07:45 PM)Shannon Wrote:(05-24-2018, 07:10 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Well I’ll be thrilled when Dmsi makes it so that women I want pursue me and sleep with me despite all my flaws. XD
Maybe stop thinking of them as "flaws" and start thinking of them as challenges that you can outgrow or learn to overcome.
Yeah so, can we have something in Dmsi to help with that then? (Improving social skills)
EDIT: Also, didn't you just imply we wouldn't need good social skills when you said this:
(05-24-2018, 06:05 PM)Shannon Wrote: Once again, Sarge, you're looking for proof that you're right, even if that means you must fail to do it.
[...]
Famous people often have worse than poor social skills. They don't need social skills because THEY'RE FAMOUS. People will do the work for them.
So which is it?
Will we need good social skills to get our 10s or will dmsi make it so we are like celebrities and don't need good social skills?
It's a legitimate question.
Point #1: There are more to life than "10s". You also have 9's, 8's, etc. to consider. Remember that you are not only attracted to a woman based on how she looks. There are other factors that can and will matter in your sexual attraction to them. Limiting yourself to "just 10's" sounds like an intentional effort to prevent DMSI from working, not the least of which reason is that 10's are very rare. I can count on one hand, with fingers left over, the number of times in my entire life I have encountered a true 10/10. Until you stop trying to limit and derail DMSI, you're going to find that success is harder to achieve than it needs to be. You have achieved that, but don't yet understand that it's you creating the limitations and what you perceive to be failure as a result.
Point #2: DMSI is designed to cause you to project an aura of energy that influences those you find sexually attractive, to whatever degree you find them sexually attractive, to choose to have sex with you, and initiate and have that sex with you all without you needing to do anything. Therefore, social skills should not be and are not necessary. We just got done discussing this vis a vis celebrity effect.
The only thing you need to do is get out of your own way, Sarge.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 05-25-2018
(05-24-2018, 11:46 PM)Fluffy Wrote:(05-24-2018, 04:01 PM)Shannon Wrote:(05-24-2018, 10:05 AM)Fluffy Wrote: @Shannon
Is social skills and sense of humor aspect, directly dealt with in DMSI already?
No.
Quote:If not, do you plan to directly touch on that?
If the goal is for you to have to do nothing, and get results, why would I start adding training wheels again? You are still trying to pursue her, which is the antithesis of the goals of this program.
Quote:Based on what you have observed, will you be making any improvements to ARA that is in DMSI?
I will be making some improvements that result in ARA in the script working better, but those improvements will also result in everything else working better as well.
Quote:In 3.3, will you be adding something for the "down" negative effects, that a person such as myself experiences after releasing/orgasming with a woman, that takes a week to recover from?
I'm not sure that is appropriate to add. I'm also not sure what I would add to counter that, since I don't know what is causing it.
Quote:Do you think DMSI 3.3 will be released by August 2018?
One can certainly hope.
My thinking was that improving social skills and enhancing sense of humour would make the time with the people that seduced us, much more interesting, fun and enjoyable. I mean there is space before, between and after sexy time to fill, why not use that time to function productively like a super cool human? Yeah we have positive qualities of the celebrity, but we don't have to go balls deep and settle for their not so appealing traits either.
You said you only add things to DMSI that help achieve the end goal.
- -Extroversion enhancement and training,
- -Social stability, skill and strength,
- -Develop and display a fantastic sense of humour
You see these as training wheels Shannon? I see these as allowing us to respond to being seduced in the most productive, fun, enjoyable way possible.
DMSI is designed to cause you to project an aura of energy that influences those you find sexually attractive, to whatever degree you find them sexually attractive, to choose to have sex with you, and initiate and have that sex with you all without you needing to do anything. Therefore, social skills, etc. should not be and are not necessary.
You guys are so deeply stuck in the rut of "man must hunt" that you cannot see anything else. When DMSI achieves its goals, you could be a log and the girls would be coming after you.
They are training wheels because DMSI is designed to get them to do all the work. From noticing you to approach to seduction, sex and whatever else. You guys keep trying to put the training wheels back on by getting me to re-activate the "meet them half way programming" in various ways.
That is not necessary. What is necessary is:
1. Stop insisting that you must do anything to get them interested. That is working against you and DMSI.
2. You must execute the script, completely and fully.
3. I need to adjust the modulation of the aura.
We have already seen, more than once, that DMSI already works as designed when you get out of your own way and execute the script. Right now, the vast majority of you are so scared to do that and so stuck on these PUA concepts (man must always hunt!) that you are sinking your ship before it gets out of dry dock.
Training wheels were in place previously to get the program functional enough to keep you guys interested. At this point, they hinder more than they help because they mask part of what I need to know, which is... what is left for me to do to make DMSI work for you guys?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Fluffy - 05-25-2018
(05-25-2018, 11:36 AM)Shannon Wrote:(05-24-2018, 11:46 PM)Fluffy Wrote:(05-24-2018, 04:01 PM)Shannon Wrote:(05-24-2018, 10:05 AM)Fluffy Wrote: @Shannon
Is social skills and sense of humor aspect, directly dealt with in DMSI already?
No.
Quote:If not, do you plan to directly touch on that?
If the goal is for you to have to do nothing, and get results, why would I start adding training wheels again? You are still trying to pursue her, which is the antithesis of the goals of this program.
Quote:Based on what you have observed, will you be making any improvements to ARA that is in DMSI?
I will be making some improvements that result in ARA in the script working better, but those improvements will also result in everything else working better as well.
Quote:In 3.3, will you be adding something for the "down" negative effects, that a person such as myself experiences after releasing/orgasming with a woman, that takes a week to recover from?
I'm not sure that is appropriate to add. I'm also not sure what I would add to counter that, since I don't know what is causing it.
Quote:Do you think DMSI 3.3 will be released by August 2018?
One can certainly hope.
My thinking was that improving social skills and enhancing sense of humour would make the time with the people that seduced us, much more interesting, fun and enjoyable. I mean there is space before, between and after sexy time to fill, why not use that time to function productively like a super cool human? Yeah we have positive qualities of the celebrity, but we don't have to go balls deep and settle for their not so appealing traits either.
You said you only add things to DMSI that help achieve the end goal.
- -Extroversion enhancement and training,
- -Social stability, skill and strength,
- -Develop and display a fantastic sense of humour
You see these as training wheels Shannon? I see these as allowing us to respond to being seduced in the most productive, fun, enjoyable way possible.
DMSI is designed to cause you to project an aura of energy that influences those you find sexually attractive, to whatever degree you find them sexually attractive, to choose to have sex with you, and initiate and have that sex with you all without you needing to do anything. Therefore, social skills, etc. should not be and are not necessary.
You guys are so deeply stuck in the rut of "man must hunt" that you cannot see anything else. When DMSI achieves its goals, you could be a log and the girls would be coming after you.
They are training wheels because DMSI is designed to get them to do all the work. From noticing you to approach to seduction, sex and whatever else. You guys keep trying to put the training wheels back on by getting me to re-activate the "meet them half way programming" in various ways.
That is not necessary. What is necessary is:
1. Stop insisting that you must do anything to get them interested. That is working against you and DMSI.
2. You must execute the script, completely and fully.
3. I need to adjust the modulation of the aura.
We have already seen, more than once, that DMSI already works as designed when you get out of your own way and execute the script. Right now, the vast majority of you are so scared to do that and so stuck on these PUA concepts (man must always hunt!) that you are sinking your ship before it gets out of dry dock.
Training wheels were in place previously to get the program functional enough to keep you guys interested. At this point, they hinder more than they help because they mask part of what I need to know, which is... what is left for me to do to make DMSI work for you guys?
Ok, I do understand that on some level. I imagine I will understand more fully by this time next year.
In the mean time, I will let future versions of DMSI lead the way.