(05-01-2018, 01:40 PM)JackOfHearts Wrote: @DarkPlouf I have personally observed while doing hypnosis on others that the subconscious does indeed take decision. Some people who fall in trance easily lose consciousness, they don't remember a thing, when you give them suggestion they act on some and not on others, the concious mind does nothing here as far as I'm aware.

(05-01-2018, 07:15 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(04-29-2018, 04:18 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: @"Cyanide" I cant seem to post up, tried 3 times - will try 1 more time - please check bro!
Sorry bro once it posted I saw the others then were posted too :/ but posting is taking forever so still check if you can, thanks.
Ive deleted the message which was the below for Shannon.


@Shannon Hey bro hope youre doing well.

Ive come off DMSI due to be super outgoing the last week or 2. Not sure if this is DMSI but I was too tired and exhausted to find time to listen with my headphones.

I aim to get back and start again.

So just wondering, how far do you think you are from closing all the resistance we face so we can execute all of the sub and will we ever execute all of this or any sub?

thanks in advance bro!

I have no idea. I'm currently awaiting the next testing phase of Beast 16 (which is where I will be testing the next batch of ideas) to see if any of them perform. I am currently working on developing the custom sub and B16. B16 is coming along very slowly, but it is close to being in the "buildable" state. The only thing I or anyone else can do is be diligent and patient.

Quote:I think to get more conscious and get more control over your subconscious mind one way to do that is to do meditation. As you remove the mindless chatter in your mind you get more control over your body and you are less prone to get lost in mindless thought that removes you from conscious decision

Quote:what's your opinion on that, do you think meditation would help subliminal work better?

Quote:@DarkPlouf I have personally observed while doing hypnosis on others that the subconscious does indeed take decision

Quote:If the subconscious CAN decide and act regardless of the user's will, then that explains resistance. But that also destroy all these "take responsibility" speeches, because the user can't take responsibility for another member of the ship he can't control.

Quote:This reminds me of a funny anecdote I read by a professional hypnotherapist who did an experiment with one of his patients. While the patient was in a deep trance, the hypnotist was doing his thing, and then he suddenly gave an instruction that he assumed the patient would wholeheartedly refuse, something along the way of: "Now go and kick my secretary in the balls", to which the patient supposedly responded, still in trance, "How about I kick you in the balls". Big Grin

(05-01-2018, 01:47 PM)Have at ye Wrote:

(05-01-2018, 01:40 PM)JackOfHearts Wrote: @DarkPlouf I have personally observed while doing hypnosis on others that the subconscious does indeed take decision. Some people who fall in trance easily lose consciousness, they don't remember a thing, when you give them suggestion they act on some and not on others, the concious mind does nothing here as far as I'm aware.

This reminds me of a funny anecdote I read by a professional hypnotherapist who did an experiment with one of his patients. While the patient was in a deep trance, the hypnotist was doing his thing, and then he suddenly gave an instruction that he assumed the patient would wholeheartedly refuse, something along the way of: "Now go and kick my secretary in the balls", to which the patient supposedly responded, still in trance, "How about I kick you in the balls".

(05-01-2018, 02:26 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote:

Quote:I think to get more conscious and get more control over your subconscious mind one way to do that is to do meditation. As you remove the mindless chatter in your mind you get more control over your body and you are less prone to get lost in mindless thought that removes you from conscious decision

I've been meditating since 3 years now. I do it at a daily basis on and off. Sometimes I go on streaks and streaks when I get disciplined enough. Well I don't know about getting more control over the subconscious mind but all I know is that when I meditate thoroughly at a daily basis I manifest all sort of stuff that have been on my mind. It happens a lot that I think about events that'll happen very soon. Like the last time it happened I was thinking of printing a picture on my shirt and a day after a friend texted me his newly printed t-shirt and asked me what I think. That happens a lot for small thoughts that pop in my mind.
Not sure about the control thing but something's odd with it. For me at least.

Quote:what's your opinion on that, do you think meditation would help subliminal work better?

Science says meditation increases neuroplasticity. So theoretically that helps ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
(Sources easy to find on google)

Quote:@DarkPlouf I have personally observed while doing hypnosis on others that the subconscious does indeed take decision

Then do you think it makes sense to say "Just choose to execute the script and it'll work period" since the one who can only make the decision to execute or not is subconscious mind and not the user, from his own very will ??
That was my point actually. If we agree that the subconscious can make decision regardless of the user will then there is no room for that silly reasoning.
As I said:

Quote:If the subconscious CAN decide and act regardless of the user's will, then that explains resistance. But that also destroy all these "take responsibility" speeches, because the user can't take responsibility for another member of the ship he can't control.

Idk why this board always tends to go on negative extremes. Like if it wasn't dangerous and destructive enough to acknowledge the existence of "resistance", basically the fact that the subconscious WANTS TO **** with its owner, now that keeps on blaming the victim.
Talking about personal growth....
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(05-01-2018, 11:38 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: EDIT:

Quote:Since when has it not? You have to be pretty clueless to ask that, given how much evidence we have seen for many years just here on this forum that the subconscious has one or more parts of itself that can and do make decisions. Like the decision to execute or reverse execute or do nothing...

This is a earth-breaking theory because that's definitely not the consensus to this day. The subconscious is pretty much still seen as the component of the self that can't argue back and just express whatever is impressed inside.

(05-01-2018, 07:17 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(04-29-2018, 08:51 PM)Ampersnd Wrote: Say, I've been at DMSI for 80+ days, and there are no tangible effects.
I can acknowledge that there is likely work going on beneath the surface.
But when do you suppose that the effects will kick on?

When you choose to execute the script.

(05-01-2018, 04:29 PM)Ampersnd Wrote:

(05-01-2018, 07:17 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(04-29-2018, 08:51 PM)Ampersnd Wrote: Say, I've been at DMSI for 80+ days, and there are no tangible effects.
I can acknowledge that there is likely work going on beneath the surface.
But when do you suppose that the effects will kick on?

When you choose to execute the script.

I'm not sure I understand what that even means.

(05-01-2018, 02:39 AM)kingpill Wrote: Is self hypnosis to execute DMSI allowed? Like, asking your subconscious to execute DMSI fully and then counting down from 10 to 0 as it progressively executes

(05-01-2018, 07:06 PM)Tesla Wrote: I just need to come back and chime in that it feels like DMSI 3.2a is much more powerful than 3.2b. Jesus christ.

Literally had a chick I haven't even met yet call me while I was working out, telling me she was about to start (her period), and asked me if I would be okay with just doing anal or putting a towel underneath her, or I could postpone until later if I wanted.

**** nah I don't care about that shit. She's also making me dinner. Hell yeah I'm going there tomorrow night to get fed and *****.

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(05-01-2018, 11:38 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote:

Quote:-Subconscious mind not receiving properly the orders of the conscious mind (communication problem)

It can't be this, because some people get results and some do not, for the SAME PROGRAM; and, programs that have less controversial goals achieve more success than those that have more controversial goals for the SAME TECHNIQUES.

But they don't have the same subconscious mind. Not the same content, not the very same nature probably, nor the same blueprints and understanding of the reality. So that's still a possibility. Or are you trying to say the subconscious mind is of the same backbone for everyone and suffer no deformity or specificity in its functioning? If we compare it to the body we (each of one) for sure have different body that react differently.

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Quote:-Subconscious mind 100% understanding the task but unable to carry it out because of lack of means and ways.

But how then do we explain some people achieving the goals and others not, given the exact same script?

Like ^. Different people, different subconscious, different knowledge, different means available, different gates. Basically the amount of different variables that aren't the same are endless. Someone which is running a business already with many ways for money to flow will probably get better results with a subliminal program to get rich than someone who's starting from scratch with close to 0 means of generating money besides his job. That's a common observation.
So for DMSI for example, the way the user and his environment are can totally determine the success of the program by a large amount. Don't you think ? If the environment of the user doesn't matter (as well as the endless other external variables) than that mean the subconscious can manifest a goal from thin air. Which never happened so far.

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Quote:And taking responsibility does still remain in effect. It requires personal growth, and people can do that. Contrary to what you might like to think.

Yeah right...Let's say I'm working on a project in team work. I want to move forward and get things done and the other guys are just slacking off and worse, sabotaging myself. And in spite of my good will and whatever I come up with they just overpower me.
Then at the end of the deadline nothing much have been achieved.

Quote:That's the setup you just described in your post by confirming that the subconscious has a will on its own and can take decisions to go against the user's will.
Now I don't see how taking responsibility help here. And responsibility for what ? How does that make things better for that poor part under powered by the others ? There may be a better way to handle that. And if we don't have any, then better leave the user as is rather than blaming him.

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Quote:Since when has it not? You have to be pretty clueless to ask that, given how much evidence we have seen for many years just here on this forum that the subconscious has one or more parts of itself that can and do make decisions. Like the decision to execute or reverse execute or do nothing...

This is a earth-breaking theory because that's definitely not the consensus to this day. The subconscious is pretty much still seen as the component of the self that can't argue back and just express whatever is impressed inside.