(04-26-2018, 11:41 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 05:48 AM)Have at ye Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 05:14 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(04-25-2018, 02:24 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote:

(04-25-2018, 01:29 PM)Shannon Wrote: I would say you're not very well educated on the subject.

Maybe, can't pretend to know everything about it, but I've a solid experience with psychic influence. From myself but also from a group of fellow interested in this subject. Pshysic influence can't force someone to do what that person doesn't want. May be for sex or for whatever else. If that person is against or is afraid of the idea, no action will be taken, no matter how much or how frequently the thoughts and idea are transmitted and well received. The target just bear with these incessant ideas that pop in his/her mind but take no action. In the end, the target has still to carry out an action from his own volition.

In the case of psychic seduction that's actually a pretty bad idea as that practice keeps making horny the target, in most case, and they go release with the person they are allowed to, or with the first outlet they can get. If that person likes you and already registered you as "the guy I can safely have sex with" then it'll work and you'll be the first choice. But as such, if that person like you from the start or has the potential to, there's no need for psychic seduction. Meaning psychic seduction doesn't burn steps and you still need to do the work . They "suffer" in silence but absolutely do nothing about it if they do not want to.
And even when there are instances of psychic seduction working against someone's will, it only acts as a temporary drug. Once the target wakes up, that person will utterly deny what he/she did under such circumstances. We are witnessing targets going hot and cold and hot and cold incessantly. Taking back things they said or did outrageously during such influenced state. Because that doesn't match their decisions.

Psychic influence is good for mundane things. Making a friend invite you for a pizza, making them say something, influence your birthday gifts, and do some other funny stuff. Because most people are "neutral", or even favorable to these mundane ideas. But if they truly don't wan't, not only psychic influence will make them hate you but will likely fail, unless anything good and logical came up to change their view. But in such case again, no need for psychic influence.

So no, that can't bend someone else will. And I'm not just saying that from my thorough experience, materials, observations and experiments from other practitioners, but because it actually makes sense when we think about it. No matter what that happens in the mind realm of the target, if the conscious mind isn't aligned with it, no physical manifestation (action) will be made of it.
Don't wish anyone to get trapped into that stuff thinking they can control others like I was. Even tho I still practice it but it's only with willing partners.

You have a different definition of psychic seduction than I am going on. But you are still incorrect when you say it can't bend someone's will. It is just a matter of degrees of skill and energy used. Be sure you never take away someone's freedom of choice. The backlash and fallout from that is bad.

Yup, it is possible to bend someone's will, even inadvertently, when doing "psychic seduction" stuff. Unless proper precautions are taken, of course, but precautions do tend to significantly weaken the effects when doing remote influencing, I guess. Also, they can fail. In my experience there's no such thing as "total conscious control" when attempting stuff of this ilk. You set something off in this way, it tends to go wherever inertia takes it once it gets rolling.

Then again, the entire point of DMSI's aura is having this stuff become automated, and actually your second nature, in the best way possible, so I highly doubt that the use of psychic seduction techniques would make it any stronger.

I was considering, though, coming up with an affirmation of a sort, which would go something like "I now choose to willingly consciously and subconsciously execute the full extent of the DMSI 3.2(a/b) sniper module on <person's name>", to maybe give it some more focus, or to engage the full power of the sniper even when a given person is outside of the short-range sniper's range of effect. I'm not certain what wording to use exactly (as the one presented here I just came up with on the spot), and would consider maybe adding a time-limiter for the sniping process so as not to became exhausted, but perhaps there might be something to it. Any thoughts, Shannon, sir?

The conscious will is a powerful tool for guiding the conscious and subconscious, given that the subconscious will is not stronger. But right now, I am just too tired mentally to be able to answer this better than that.

(04-26-2018, 11:45 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 09:36 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: Are you talking about Karma ? You a believer ?
I've always believed that karma stuff is just a lie from gurus so that they can keep their power for themselves and scare people from doing what they want.

I go on evidence to form my beliefs. And I can tell you, doing whatever you want will bite you in the end if it unbalances the equation. Whether it's now or later. I have been bitten by my misunderstanding of that fact many times, and I have used my understanding of that fact to win many times as well.

If you want to call it karma or simply the universe maintaining balance, it is there. And if you want to test it, I'm sure that eventually you will learn what I know from painful experience. Belief is not required, which is a good thing.

(04-26-2018, 12:27 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 11:45 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 09:36 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: Are you talking about Karma ? You a believer ?
I've always believed that karma stuff is just a lie from gurus so that they can keep their power for themselves and scare people from doing what they want.

I go on evidence to form my beliefs. And I can tell you, doing whatever you want will bite you in the end if it unbalances the equation. Whether it's now or later. I have been bitten by my misunderstanding of that fact many times, and I have used my understanding of that fact to win many times as well.

If you want to call it karma or simply the universe maintaining balance, it is there. And if you want to test it, I'm sure that eventually you will learn what I know from painful experience. Belief is not required, which is a good thing.

How? And win what? You mean you're recognizing how to get "good karma" ? Sorry, not sure I'm getting the point.

If you "believe" in karma, does that mean you believe in bad karma from past lives too ? Man, like if current's life h/c wasn't enough to deal with.

(04-26-2018, 02:12 PM)JackOfHearts Wrote: That is probably one of the hardest question to answer with Certainty DarkPlouf, Karma. I know some people who study that kind of stuff for more around 30 years and well they still don't understand it completely and I would even say they are far from the complete thing.
As a comparison it seems in our current society people think of karma as a black and white theme, as most people are too intelligent for understand something in more than 2 shade Or maybe it is this way because we are bombarded with false idea constantly or too lazy to search for a more sound understanding of the world than just hysterical nonsense.
Though in the middle ground if you pick a book well written by someone who have more or less the skill of Shannon, it should provide you some "proof" that some pattern in life prove that indeed something close to karma seems to exist.
I personally see patterns on a daily basis that "karma" exist and past life also, and it takes me around 2 hours to "prove" it to someone else if that person is receptive enough to what I say.

(04-26-2018, 02:22 PM)Determined Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 02:12 PM)JackOfHearts Wrote: That is probably one of the hardest question to answer with Certainty DarkPlouf, Karma. I know some people who study that kind of stuff for more around 30 years and well they still don't understand it completely and I would even say they are far from the complete thing.
As a comparison it seems in our current society people think of karma as a black and white theme, as most people are too intelligent for understand something in more than 2 shade Or maybe it is this way because we are bombarded with false idea constantly or too lazy to search for a more sound understanding of the world than just hysterical nonsense.
Though in the middle ground if you pick a book well written by someone who have more or less the skill of Shannon, it should provide you some "proof" that some pattern in life prove that indeed something close to karma seems to exist.
I personally see patterns on a daily basis that "karma" exist and past life also, and it takes me around 2 hours to "prove" it to someone else if that person is receptive enough to what I say.

More than likely, the scale at which Karma operates is far too grand for a human brain to completely comprehend.

Having a Karma module would also be a welcome addition into 6G subs.

(04-26-2018, 03:25 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 02:22 PM)Determined Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 02:12 PM)JackOfHearts Wrote: That is probably one of the hardest question to answer with Certainty DarkPlouf, Karma. I know some people who study that kind of stuff for more around 30 years and well they still don't understand it completely and I would even say they are far from the complete thing.
As a comparison it seems in our current society people think of karma as a black and white theme, as most people are too intelligent for understand something in more than 2 shade Or maybe it is this way because we are bombarded with false idea constantly or too lazy to search for a more sound understanding of the world than just hysterical nonsense.
Though in the middle ground if you pick a book well written by someone who have more or less the skill of Shannon, it should provide you some "proof" that some pattern in life prove that indeed something close to karma seems to exist.
I personally see patterns on a daily basis that "karma" exist and past life also, and it takes me around 2 hours to "prove" it to someone else if that person is receptive enough to what I say.

More than likely, the scale at which Karma operates is far too grand for a human brain to completely comprehend.

Having a Karma module would also be a welcome addition into 6G subs.

Zen Mindset in AM does this I believe.

(04-26-2018, 05:20 PM)kingpill Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 03:25 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 02:22 PM)Determined Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 02:12 PM)JackOfHearts Wrote: That is probably one of the hardest question to answer with Certainty DarkPlouf, Karma. I know some people who study that kind of stuff for more around 30 years and well they still don't understand it completely and I would even say they are far from the complete thing.
As a comparison it seems in our current society people think of karma as a black and white theme, as most people are too intelligent for understand something in more than 2 shade Or maybe it is this way because we are bombarded with false idea constantly or too lazy to search for a more sound understanding of the world than just hysterical nonsense.
Though in the middle ground if you pick a book well written by someone who have more or less the skill of Shannon, it should provide you some "proof" that some pattern in life prove that indeed something close to karma seems to exist.
I personally see patterns on a daily basis that "karma" exist and past life also, and it takes me around 2 hours to "prove" it to someone else if that person is receptive enough to what I say.

More than likely, the scale at which Karma operates is far too grand for a human brain to completely comprehend.

Having a Karma module would also be a welcome addition into 6G subs.

Zen Mindset in AM does this I believe.

Is this Zen mindset script in DMSI aswell?

(04-26-2018, 03:25 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 02:22 PM)Determined Wrote:

(04-26-2018, 02:12 PM)JackOfHearts Wrote: That is probably one of the hardest question to answer with Certainty DarkPlouf, Karma. I know some people who study that kind of stuff for more around 30 years and well they still don't understand it completely and I would even say they are far from the complete thing.
As a comparison it seems in our current society people think of karma as a black and white theme, as most people are too intelligent for understand something in more than 2 shade Or maybe it is this way because we are bombarded with false idea constantly or too lazy to search for a more sound understanding of the world than just hysterical nonsense.
Though in the middle ground if you pick a book well written by someone who have more or less the skill of Shannon, it should provide you some "proof" that some pattern in life prove that indeed something close to karma seems to exist.
I personally see patterns on a daily basis that "karma" exist and past life also, and it takes me around 2 hours to "prove" it to someone else if that person is receptive enough to what I say.

More than likely, the scale at which Karma operates is far too grand for a human brain to completely comprehend.

Having a Karma module would also be a welcome addition into 6G subs.

Zen Mindset in AM does this I believe.

(04-26-2018, 01:54 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote: Thanks for answering Shannon. I really wish you can find some time to go into details in the chatter box. If what you're saying is true then having a better understanding of "karma" could literally be life saving. There may be many fellow members right now digging their own's grave.
I mean, what does it mean to hurt oneself ?

Quote:We're probably doing it all the time without knowing.

Quote:And how does the equation goes balanced out ? By adding positive events to the victim to even out things, or by punishing the bad guy ?

Quote:I know you're busy so I'm not really awaiting for an answer. I'll watch out for that stuff and maybe get some evidences if that's seemingly true or not.