(08-15-2024, 08:03 AM)AbundanceCH Wrote:

(08-14-2024, 05:32 PM)Benjamin Wrote: I could make more comparisions, and i'm exaggerating some of it to make a point, but I think you guys know what i'm getting at.

I totally get your point and now that Shannon responded to your post and my post I have a lot of doubts about this program and how it would help most guys.

Shannon said we get to define what primal masculinity is...well most guys have grown up with woke BS rammed down their throats all their lives.  They don't know what true masculinity is.  So how is this program going to help them when most guys are too weak and have no idea what masculinity is?

I think when it comes to an issue such as masculinity we need training wheels.  We need a program to help us become more confident, assertive, decisive, determined, competent, stronger, dominant, courageous, self reliant and countless other traits that a masculine man has.  I don't know how having us define what primal masculinity is will help most guys who don't even know the traits of a strong, masculine man.

I hope Shannon replies to this and clarifies once he has a better idea of what the program will do.  I'll give Shannon the benefit of the doubt and hopefully he can clarify.  I was excited about this but not so much now.

I don't think the "one size fits all" approach that he is taking is right for this program.  This is an issue where men need a training wheels approach unfortunately.  This program sounds like the opposite of what Benjamin and I have been advocating it seems.

(08-14-2024, 10:55 PM)Frosted Wrote:

(08-14-2024, 06:35 PM)Shannon Wrote: The idea is that your beliefs are what defines what "primal masculinity" is, and this works because your beliefs are what you choose to accept as true.  This means that Primal Masculinity will always work for you because it will always align with your beliefs.  If you wish, you can adjust, update or change your beliefs - but PM will not install them for you.  It uses what beliefs you have, and adjusts to whatever changes you make to your beliefs. 



Because of this, it doesn't matter if you cannot find one person's point of view that you agree with entirely, because you will naturally tend to build your beliefs based on parts and pieces of various different ideas and options that resonate with you personally.  So you might take some things one person says, and some things another person says, and some ideas from this philosophy, and so on.



PM will work with what you believe, and adjust as your beliefs and point of view change, so it is always aligned with what resonates with you.

Will AM7 be the type of program to help you develop your definition of masculinity or overcome toxic beliefs about masculinity? I’ve noticed my definition of masculinity evolving over time as I develop and would love it if AM7 helped with that process.

(08-15-2024, 06:12 AM)Topaz Wrote: I've read that SM3 is supposed to impact voice and body language, but I think like I'm only starting to experience these effects now at the beginning of Stage 4.

Interestingly, I noticed this after I began playing the ultrasonic track during the day while working, but I’m not entirely sure if that’s what made the difference. It's really puzzling.

Up until now, my experience with SM3 has been pretty uneventful.
I haven’t seen any noticeable results or changes that I can clearly identify. Even when approaching women, my interactions and conversations seem to remain the same as before.


I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this

(08-14-2024, 05:32 PM)Benjamin Wrote:

Quote:Primal Masulinity.

Awesome, this one is the first program i've been excited about for a while. I look forward to reading the full description.

I'm partly conflicted about the no healing part, but at this point I have no desire to do any sorely healing focused program again as i'm sick of doing so. Unless it's a program that utilyzes healing as a way to move towards the goals of the program.

But general healing programs, I realized it seems to just be a way for me to stay stuck and have an excuse to stay stuck and it seemed to just go around and around and i'd start a different program then be like "oh shit I need more healing". (This doesn't exclude physical healing, just emotional).

My previous favourite program funnily enough was UH, I guess that it was because it had physical healing too and helped me in a few areas. And my favourite before that was LTU.

I have to say OGSF v2 has been my least favourite in a very long time and there's very little chance i'd go back to it.

Quote:You define what "primal masculinity" is.  Then you go after it.  I'm not here to decide that for you.

I wonder how defining this for ourselves when using a program such as this is best done? 

I had a thought a while ago that I was going to mention here or to you but I forgot until now. Would it be valuable to have something in some programs, such as this one where you're defining it for yourself, that you write it down and decide in this example "what is masculinity for me?" "what do I want masculinity to be for me?" or something similar.. and then the program helps take you in that direction. And over time you can also refine it and add to it, and read it regularly so that the program has a direction.

Personally as I think i've said here before, i've struggled to find a program, 'mentor' or whatever who is a good middle ground. It's either Andrew Tate and such telilng you that you have to have all these sports cars and a mansion, smoke cigars and have a yaucht etc to be a man, which I don't give a fuck about any of that.

Or on the other side the weak, woke bullshit that almost all of society is trying to brainwash men into so they can weaken them. And also a ton of so called 'masculinity coaches' coming up with incredibly ridiculous shit.. like.. and I can't make this up if I tried.. "if you wrestle naked with 2 of your male friends, it's only gay if you decide it's gay"  

Or just as ridiculous a workshop I seen advertised called "Crossdressing to explore your masculinity". Completely and utterly 1000% against masculinity, but this is the shit we're dealing with sadly.

It's difficult to find a middle ground, of being genuinely secure, having real self worth as a man, developing genuine strength physically, mentally, emotionally, developing genuine ability to protect yourself but only if it's really needed, going for what you want and not giving a shit what others think even if it goes against what they tell you that you should want and such. Also is the 'fake tough guys' talking about how tough they are, will smash anyone who looks at them funny and such.. which i've known ever since I did security are completely full of shit and usually disappear when shit gets real. Then on the other side "You have to show compassion and love to absolutely everybody, no matter how much they abuse or bully you or treat you, and tolerate everything even things that are completely disgusting and ruining society, plus it's never okay to have to ever fight ever no matter what, just tell them they hurt your feelings and give them a cuddle and they won't try to punch you anymore".

I could make more comparisions, and i'm exaggerating some of it to make a point, but I think you guys know what i'm getting at.

(08-15-2024, 10:06 AM)Vehe Wrote: * Self confidence/ Self esteem /Fearlessness /Rebirth /Healing (physical, mental, etc, because unbalanced hormones, neurotransmitters, toxins, inflammation, especially in your brain will cause havoc in subliminal results and in life.

(08-15-2024, 08:37 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-14-2024, 10:55 PM)Frosted Wrote: Will AM7 be the type of program to help you develop your definition of masculinity or overcome toxic beliefs about masculinity? I’ve noticed my definition of masculinity evolving over time as I develop and would love it if AM7 helped with that process.

AM7 is going to be designed to both help you develop your definition of masculinity and help you define it.  It's going to have to steer you in some sense to achieve it's goals, but what I aim for with it is helping you understand what a transcendent alpha is, and then becoming that.  It defines and focuses you into your positive masculine potentials.  But I'm not interested in creating an army of robots, as that would be antithetical to being a transcendent alpha.  Likewise, I'm not trying to wholly define masculinity for you.  Each man has to find his own way, and what works for him at his personal stage of his life and journey.

(08-15-2024, 10:44 AM)saamaanazizi Wrote: OGSF v2 has really taken out my fears only in 10 days of usage. Can I start Alpha Male and keep using OGSF v2 as needed, from time to time, in case of major resistances (to AM6). I really think I can do it, but what is Shannon's advice?

(08-15-2024, 12:15 PM)dweller94 Wrote: Hello Shannon,
If I own Ultra Success/Luck Maximizer 4.2 (5.75.3g - Type A/B/C/D) can I run let's say the older v3 side B, I'm sure the price was the same, just wanted to clear this up before I experiment with something, and yes I paid for 4.2.

Quote:2nd question I owe the old Core States of Awareness Exploration Kit which I use for meditation, my dad wanted to try the alpha audio do I need to purchase it again for him to test, here's the thing if it helps him in meditation, I will get a copy for him, not trying to cheat here as I have the money, it's just that it may not suit him.

Thank you.

(08-15-2024, 10:06 AM)Vehe Wrote:

(08-14-2024, 05:32 PM)Benjamin Wrote: Awesome, this one is the first program i've been excited about for a while. I look forward to reading the full description.

I'm partly conflicted about the no healing part, but at this point I have no desire to do any sorely healing focused program again as i'm sick of doing so. Unless it's a program that utilyzes healing as a way to move towards the goals of the program.

But general healing programs, I realized it seems to just be a way for me to stay stuck and have an excuse to stay stuck and it seemed to just go around and around and i'd start a different program then be like "oh shit I need more healing". (This doesn't exclude physical healing, just emotional).

My previous favourite program funnily enough was UH, I guess that it was because it had physical healing too and helped me in a few areas. And my favourite before that was LTU.

I have to say OGSF v2 has been my least favourite in a very long time and there's very little chance i'd go back to it.


I wonder how defining this for ourselves when using a program such as this is best done? 

I had a thought a while ago that I was going to mention here or to you but I forgot until now. Would it be valuable to have something in some programs, such as this one where you're defining it for yourself, that you write it down and decide in this example "what is masculinity for me?" "what do I want masculinity to be for me?" or something similar.. and then the program helps take you in that direction. And over time you can also refine it and add to it, and read it regularly so that the program has a direction.

Personally as I think i've said here before, i've struggled to find a program, 'mentor' or whatever who is a good middle ground. It's either Andrew Tate and such telilng you that you have to have all these sports cars and a mansion, smoke cigars and have a yaucht etc to be a man, which I don't give a fuck about any of that.

Or on the other side the weak, woke bullshit that almost all of society is trying to brainwash men into so they can weaken them. And also a ton of so called 'masculinity coaches' coming up with incredibly ridiculous shit.. like.. and I can't make this up if I tried.. "if you wrestle naked with 2 of your male friends, it's only gay if you decide it's gay"  

Or just as ridiculous a workshop I seen advertised called "Crossdressing to explore your masculinity". Completely and utterly 1000% against masculinity, but this is the shit we're dealing with sadly.

It's difficult to find a middle ground, of being genuinely secure, having real self worth as a man, developing genuine strength physically, mentally, emotionally, developing genuine ability to protect yourself but only if it's really needed, going for what you want and not giving a shit what others think even if it goes against what they tell you that you should want and such. Also is the 'fake tough guys' talking about how tough they are, will smash anyone who looks at them funny and such.. which i've known ever since I did security are completely full of shit and usually disappear when shit gets real. Then on the other side "You have to show compassion and love to absolutely everybody, no matter how much they abuse or bully you or treat you, and tolerate everything even things that are completely disgusting and ruining society, plus it's never okay to have to ever fight ever no matter what, just tell them they hurt your feelings and give them a cuddle and they won't try to punch you anymore".

I could make more comparisions, and i'm exaggerating some of it to make a point, but I think you guys know what i'm getting at.

Written definitions, affirmations, instructions, and so on, do work very well. I've used them for years to test scripts before committing to turn them into subliminals. First, the subconscious has to be programed to react to them, otherwise it's pointless. 
The subconscious, stupid as a rock, then proceeds to program into you everything you write. So the trick is to add triggers: 

for example:

*#Strt (this would mean start of definition)
*#ND (this would mean end of definition)

*#Strt Masculinity is also... *#ND

You would also need Undoing because most times, what you think you want or need comes with unwanted side effects, in this case:

*#UndoStrt Masculinity is also... *#UndoND


As for making effective programs, treating only one issue is basically pointless. Doesn't surprise me that you're not having success with healing.

I found that these are essential ingredients/foundations in every program:

* Self confidence/ Self esteem /Fearlessness /Rebirth /Healing (physical, mental, etc, because unbalanced hormones, neurotransmitters, toxins, inflammation, especially in your brain will cause havoc in subliminal results and in life.

* Success Mindset/ Victorious mindset/ Winner mindset : Self explanatory, tends to affect everything and it's the mindset that all successful people have..

* Positivity: Self explanatory, tends to improve everything.

* Readiness: Should have similar results to that new 'time management' subliminal. 

* Love life /Sexual life improvement: It's a biological instinct that must be fed. When we are assexual or not sexually active /dating, we are unknowingly sending the message to our whole biology that we are ready to die, because, with the exception of our neocortex, the whole purpose of our biology is to reproduce. Without passion for sex, dating, loving and desiring, everything starts to go worse until we feel like dying. The opposite is also true. The second most powerful force in the Universe is sexual. The first is 'Spiritual' but that is a theme for another time since 99% of people aren't ready for it or aren't ready for it until their biological instincts are met beforehand. Took me years of testing this on myself. If I can approach women successfully and if I'm always aroused by them I'm always in awe of life and being alive. If I can't approach women and if I'm not aroused by them, everything starts do go downhill fast until I don't even feel alive anymore. We are pure biological creatures unless we are in the 'spirit realms'. If we are in the 'spirit realms' we cannot function in this world, therefore, our biological instincts must be taken cared of before anything else. 

* Intelligence / Cognition/ Fast learning ability: This is the secret subliminal booster that subliminal producers can't seem to grasp. Each and everything that improves your intelligence, cognition, fast learning ability, memory has a brutal difference on subliminal results and in real life. Any type of performance, from sports to seduction immediately comes to mind. Having the perfect action or answer ready every time. Knowing what to say and do in every occasion. Computing millions of options in one second before committing to the best one. learning extremely fast from every mistake... This is the BOMB! In fact, I found out that my self confidence comes from this. Without a properly working brain I am never self confident.

* Anxiolytic Attributes aka stopping 'fight or flight' mode: Rather than explaining. Go read the effects of 'Propranolol' and the rating of 10/10 by most people. To be honest, there is no point in doing this one unless it can be done perfectly because one can buy 10g of Propranolol for $30 in the Asian markets.

* I'm sure I'm forgetting something, as usual. 

So you see, unless every program already combines all of these at the foundations you will rarely be satisfied. You might feel satisfied but feeling is not being. One can feel like a God on earth in it's own head yet never actually do more than any other random dude in the real world. For subliminals I always say: rate them as you would in a court of law or scientific blind placebo tests. 

Hey, I want a discount for this information.


One day I might tell you how to do mind control.  Learnt from the very best.

(08-15-2024, 09:45 AM)Topaz Wrote: What I'm having trouble understanding is why having a strong will is seen as a negative thing.

Quote:After all, it was a conscious decision on my part to choose this program, and I've seen results in the past when I consciously engaged my subconscious using affirmations, particularly in the area of relationships with women. Why is having a strong will not beneficial in this context?

Quote:If I consciously use my will to get results, wouldn't that be effective?

Quote:Also, what exactly does the new technology do to a person's will? 

Does it make them weaker-willed? This aspect is really unclear to me.

Quote:Regarding becoming a stronger man, I'm in the process of making positive changes in my life, but it's going to take time. I'm currently going to university to study computer science, with the aim of eventually changing my career path.

Thanks for your thoughts on this.

In addition to my previous questions, I’m struggling to understand how this resistance could be related to past traumas. 
In the past, I've had periods where I saw real, tangible results having multiple women being interested in having sex with me immediately, and I was dating several attractive women at the same time.

Quote:If I was able to achieve that before, how can it be that suddenly now these supposed traumas are preventing me from getting results?

Quote:It’s puzzling to think that something I was consciously subconsciously able to achieve before is now being blocked by something that didn't subconsciously seem to hold me back previously.

I'd appreciate some clarification on this.

I know I have questions it's because I'm trying to understand all of it.
I'm really not happy with where I'm at