(11-04-2016, 09:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

(11-06-2016, 07:41 AM)Ricardo Wrote: Shannon has already said that nsfm conflicts with the goal of DMSI so why introduce comflicts when we don't know why DMSI isn't working in the first place? Too many guys here have this limiting belief that guys must do all the chasing and with nsfm we are just getting further away from the goal of DMSI.

Ricardo Wrote:Shannon has already said that nsfm conflicts with the goal of DMSI so why introduce comflicts when we don't know why DMSI isn't working in the first place? Too many guys here have this limiting belief that guys must do all the chasing and with nsfm we are just getting further away from the goal of DMSI.

(11-06-2016, 01:09 AM)Benjamin Wrote:

Quote:Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

(11-06-2016, 01:26 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote:

(11-06-2016, 01:09 AM)Benjamin Wrote:

Quote:Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

(11-06-2016, 09:21 AM)RTBoss Wrote:

(11-06-2016, 01:26 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote:

(11-06-2016, 01:09 AM)Benjamin Wrote:

Quote:Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

No one said anything about not responding to women. Shannon's focus for the program is getting women to initiate, not getting the men to do nothing. He's just not promoting men to "do the work," not keeping them from it. Big difference.

Are people worried that, if approached, users will self-cockblock or mess up the opportunity that's presented, thus feeling the inclusion of Natural Seduction will help out? I don't know. I do know that I'll defer to Shannon's expertise. He's the man who writes the script!

Also, Wolverine, since you're a proponent of the "just do it," attitude - and repeatedly call people who aren't cold approaching lazy - how bout you just get laid already, or are you too lazy to escalate? Clearly everyone is at a different place with women, let's have a little leniency with those who aren't where we are, eh?

(11-06-2016, 09:49 AM)posh Wrote: Legit post I paid for dmsi which said it would make women approach and try to fuk me.

I did no pay to be a cold approaching pu$$y begger.

High value men do not cold approach women

(11-06-2016, 09:49 AM)posh Wrote: Legit post I paid for dmsi which said it would make women approach and try to fuk me.

I did no pay to be a cold approaching pu$$y begger.

High value men do not cold approach women

(11-06-2016, 10:19 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote:

(11-06-2016, 09:49 AM)posh Wrote: Legit post I paid for dmsi which said it would make women approach and try to fuk me.

I did no pay to be a cold approaching pu$$y begger.

High value men do not cold approach women

First point, true.
Second point, kinda true -- but I get what you're saying.
Third point, dawg wtf???

Shannon already knows what the design goal is -- to get women to approach us instead of us having to do the work. And if you bought DMSI expecting that, you're very much entitled to your refund ONCE the final version comes out and IF it doesn't perform to expectations.

But... we don't have to lie about reality to get what we want.

Low value men don't cold approach women because they're too afraid of being shamed or ostracized for the attempt. High value men do whatever they want -- including approaching women because they don't fear any repercussions, plus they're so self-assured of their value that they know the woman won't reject the approach.

(11-06-2016, 10:40 AM)posh Wrote: Low value men do cold approach. Go to oxford street London and you will see low value pua pu$$y beggers going around approach women over and over again with no result. There was even vids of a virgin deformed guy cold approaching. Guess what women do not give him the time of day. Hes treated like trash.

If women like you enough they will approach you.

Do you see the likes of justin bieber and drake cold approach??? nah they get approached and the women would do anything to get their sperm. This is basic common sense

(11-06-2016, 10:06 AM)bits Wrote:

(11-06-2016, 09:49 AM)posh Wrote: Legit post I paid for dmsi which said it would make women approach and try to fuk me.

I did no pay to be a cold approaching pu$$y begger.

High value men do not cold approach women

They don't cold approach the way most guys would approach 20 different women but they for sure do "warm approaches" where the woman makes it blatantly obvious like this:



If the guy doesn't approach she assumes he's rejecting her, if he does then she makes it very easy for him.

(11-06-2016, 10:40 AM)posh Wrote: Low value men do cold approach. Go to oxford street London and you will see low value pua pu$$y beggers going around approach women over and over again with no result. There was even vids of a virgin deformed guy cold approaching. Guess what women do not give him the time of day. Hes treated like trash.

If women like you enough they will approach you.

Do you see the likes of justin bieber and drake cold approach??? nah they get approached and the women would do anything to get their sperm. This is basic common sense