(01-20-2017, 11:39 AM)mat422 Wrote: Ok I'm gonna join in the discussion here because NG isn't all bad. It's a tool and it's all about how you use it. That being said, I really disliked how these women are portrayed as authentic or "natural" in the instructions without knowing anything about them. The surface level on the video, yeah they were portraying cute feminine behavior. But it's manufactured, no different than how sex sells in the West. That's what always bugged me, you were told to meditate on these idealistic representations of these women.

That being said, I still see value in it if you can't visualize. It's like getting wrapped up in a movie and losing awareness, your mind gets convinced what it's seeing is real and you respond to it emotionally.

But ideally no guy would need NG if he has enough growth. The ultimate level of success would be someone who can cultivate that level of self love and validation without any external source. If someone engages in NG then there is still an inherent need for something outside of themselves which points towards something that can be worked on. I can see NG being used to get the ball rolling and feed that need, but after a while I feel like it's necessary to cut it off and understand where it really comes from.

(01-17-2017, 11:01 AM)Geodude Wrote:

(01-17-2017, 12:14 AM)changer Wrote: Better just use NG 2.0. Some may call it porn, but if you watch naked women having sex all day it gives you a feeling of abundance. There are some videos about it on youtube.

Lol wtf are you talking about

You're actually watching another guy banging a chick you want, so technically you're being cuckolded.

(01-21-2017, 11:13 AM)Vincent_Vega Wrote:

(01-17-2017, 11:01 AM)Geodude Wrote:

(01-17-2017, 12:14 AM)changer Wrote: Better just use NG 2.0. Some may call it porn, but if you watch naked women having sex all day it gives you a feeling of abundance. There are some videos about it on youtube.

Lol wtf are you talking about

You're actually watching another guy banging a chick you want, so technically you're being cuckolded.

This morning out of the blue, it came to my mind that the cuckold-fetish may result from porn-addiction. If you like watching another guy bang the chick you admire online, why not in real life?
I know this has nothing to do with NG, but I thought that's a good opportunity to share this thought.

(01-20-2017, 04:42 PM)CatMan Wrote: I view this as "training wheels" to get the ball rolling until it's self-sustaining in real life, fulfilling yourself beforehand so you can be your REAL self, not the hungry desperate in-need version. I'm glad I seem to grasp it clearly. I'm thinking of it like the SATT module in Shannon's subs, self-training module.

I will say this, I went into it not sure what I would get due to it being a new thing to me. I tried it because I'm not listening to subs now awaiting V3.1. And because Geodude is a trusted member here so I thought it was worth a shot due to his insistence of it's potency, so I kept an open mind. Within the first 1.5 minutes, my eyes were watering during Secret Of Women. I feel more masculine from it, appreciating and enjoying the femininity in the video. I didn't feel weak or feminine at all due to it, quite the opposite. My theory seems to be right, that if porn causes effects in your head, that this could theoretically too. I had to test it to be sure, and it's legit. I will continue on due to this, there could very well be something there for me. I'm surprised, I'll be honest.

I will say I feel very content and happy already. And since starting, I'm not so gung ho on looking at women in a "hungry sex charged manner", it's far more chill and detached. It seems to have killed my habit of looking at pictures of women, not nudes or pornish stuff, just normal ones. It's an annoying habit that has carried on since removing my porn addiction. So I'm grateful for THAT. It also has removed my attraction to pictures of girls I know posting social media pictures of them all dolled up way over the top sexy. Before, I'd be all thirsty lol, since starting this now they actually turn me off. I mean it, even the *exact same pictures*. Plus, it feels like I'm already getting needs met so there's no starvation...even within that first day all this was happening. Very intriguing. It'll be interesting to see what happens when I'm out with women at events like tomorrow night. Not in an "I want to make something happen" manner because that implies need and want still and is contrary to this technique. I mean in a sense to see it perform in real situations, although it may take time to really show through. Geodude said if you don't use porn and are on nofap, as I am doing for both for a long time, that you can see results quickly so we shall see. I will say I'm already seeing some of the benefits, to hopefully lend some weight to it.

His thread title may be a bit overblown and seems to be the root of the "controversy" in one sense. But if it's been proven to him to work and was the solution for him, I say fair play to him. I hope if he simply waters down the title or some offending text, the thread can stay because it reached ME at a minimum, maybe someone else will take the plunge due to it and more benefit can be had.

Thank you Geodude for everything. I will continue with Secret Of Women for at least 21 days, at least an hour a day and report over time. In fact, I'm writing up some things about it that I will report on before V3.1 is complete to hopefully incorporate into it, things that could really help it move forward due to this experience.

(01-21-2017, 08:36 PM)Darkness Wrote: Catman I think you should have continued DMSI instead of stopping, because it's geared exactly to your traumas , NG is not.
Hungry desperate thirsty < it seems like some shame, that sexual intensity is what you want it's how lust feels.
What's your end result look like when your healed and cleared of your traumas?

(01-22-2017, 08:45 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: I think he meant that using NG means "no resting" period as you are using that mind programming tools. Which is also what I tried to say but you seems to ignore it.

Quote:I highly doubt watching a music video is going to blow out any 5.5G effects. Let's relax a bit. In fact it's greatly strengthened them I've found, and quick, surprisingly.

(01-20-2017, 04:42 PM)CatMan Wrote: I view this as "training wheels" to get the ball rolling until it's self-sustaining in real life, fulfilling yourself beforehand so you can be your REAL self, not the hungry desperate in-need version. I'm glad I seem to grasp it clearly. I'm thinking of it like the SATT module in Shannon's subs, self-training module.

I will say this, I went into it not sure what I would get due to it being a new thing to me. I tried it because I'm not listening to subs now awaiting V3.1. And because Geodude is a trusted member here so I thought it was worth a shot due to his insistence of it's potency, so I kept an open mind. Within the first 1.5 minutes, my eyes were watering during Secret Of Women. I feel more masculine from it, appreciating and enjoying the femininity in the video. I didn't feel weak or feminine at all due to it, quite the opposite. My theory seems to be right, that if porn causes effects in your head, that this could theoretically too. I had to test it to be sure, and it's legit. I will continue on due to this, there could very well be something there for me. I'm surprised, I'll be honest.

I will say I feel very content and happy already. And since starting, I'm not so gung ho on looking at women in a "hungry sex charged manner", it's far more chill and detached. It seems to have killed my habit of looking at pictures of women, not nudes or pornish stuff, just normal ones. It's an annoying habit that has carried on since removing my porn addiction. So I'm grateful for THAT. It also has removed my attraction to pictures of girls I know posting social media pictures of them all dolled up way over the top sexy. Before, I'd be all thirsty lol, since starting this now they actually turn me off. I mean it, even the *exact same pictures*. Plus, it feels like I'm already getting needs met so there's no starvation...even within that first day all this was happening. Very intriguing. It'll be interesting to see what happens when I'm out with women at events like tomorrow night. Not in an "I want to make something happen" manner because that implies need and want still and is contrary to this technique. I mean in a sense to see it perform in real situations, although it may take time to really show through. Geodude said if you don't use porn and are on nofap, as I am doing for both for a long time, that you can see results quickly so we shall see. I will say I'm already seeing some of the benefits, to hopefully lend some weight to it.

His thread title may be a bit overblown and seems to be the root of the "controversy" in one sense. But if it's been proven to him to work and was the solution for him, I say fair play to him. I hope if he simply waters down the title or some offending text, the thread can stay because it reached ME at a minimum, maybe someone else will take the plunge due to it and more benefit can be had.

Thank you Geodude for everything. I will continue with Secret Of Women for at least 21 days, at least an hour a day and report over time. In fact, I'm writing up some things about it that I will report on before V3.1 is complete to hopefully incorporate into it, things that could really help it move forward due to this experience.