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RE: Natural Seduction for Men (NSFM) questions - Shawn - 04-25-2015
(04-25-2015, 12:54 AM)AfzalG Wrote: yeah i think that is very true i remember david deangelo say that men in europe has a lot harder time with women than men in usa "its like ten times harder" he said, also its known that girls in germany are harder than girls in ukraine or crotia for example or other countries in europe... i remember when i was in london i hooked up with a girl nearly every day the women seemed to be so nice and open compared to german women, german women are known for being very difficult and demanding and making puppy dogs of their men...
So true. German women are more demanding. Even with looks, I remember I put some pics of me at some picture rating pages several years ago. In the US my pics were rated between 7 and 9 of 10. Here in Germany the same pics were rated between 4,5 and 5,5.
I have been in an irish pub once (here in Germany) where most people were from the US military (here is an US military base in that area). It was definitely easier to talk to people in general. US people seem just more open.
(04-25-2015, 12:54 AM)AfzalG Wrote: you guys should be lucky to live in america ...Yeah, regarding women it looks better there.
RE: Natural Seduction for Men (NSFM) questions - SurferJoy - 04-25-2015
You guys haven't been in Belgium which is hell on earth when it comes to meeting women
RE: Natural Seduction for Men (NSFM) questions - K-Train - 04-25-2015
(04-25-2015, 04:00 AM)SurferJoy Wrote: You guys haven't been in Belgium which is hell on earth when it comes to meeting women
Details my good man, details.
RE: Natural Seduction for Men (NSFM) questions - SurferJoy - 04-25-2015
(04-25-2015, 06:21 AM)K-Train Wrote:(04-25-2015, 04:00 AM)SurferJoy Wrote: You guys haven't been in Belgium which is hell on earth when it comes to meeting women
Details my good man, details.
Its too painful to tell, I prefer to let it go
Even thinking about it make me angry. On the RooshV forum there is a post about Brussels. That post describes well the experience of trying to find girls in that city. This aside, girls there are too masculine (feminist) and disconnected from their emotions. women dress like they are going to bootcamp or something....
Belgian women are the worst I have ever meet with Irish women.
RE: Natural Seduction for Men (NSFM) questions - Raz - 06-03-2015
(04-08-2015, 05:55 PM)Shannon Wrote: NSFM Is intended primarily for very short term in-the-moment use. Hours, not days, weeks, months or years. It is one of the first uses of the HyperSpeed/MaxSpeed and the advanced state shifting. Its goal is to basically put you in a state such that you get the hell out of your own way and whatever skill and knowledge of seduction is allowed to flow and be expressed freely and naturally. If you're not familiar with seduction, it will put you in a state that is helpful, but without knowledge, it's only going to make things easier to learn, not necessarily express what you don't yet have.
I am wondering about long-term effects of NSFM. If the sub is primarily aimed at short-term in-the-moment use, what then are the projected long-term effects? Since no script is available with the program being wholly based on OE: I presume the wording influences short-term effectiveness, but does this hamper long-term effect programming? The NSFM advertising page is pretty vague on the point of long-term goals, effects and the like, but I'd absolutely appreciate some input regarding that part of this funny beast of subliminal.
Cheerio.
RE: Natural Seduction for Men (NSFM) questions - Shannon - 06-03-2015
(06-03-2015, 12:01 PM)Raz Wrote:(04-08-2015, 05:55 PM)Shannon Wrote: NSFM Is intended primarily for very short term in-the-moment use. Hours, not days, weeks, months or years. It is one of the first uses of the HyperSpeed/MaxSpeed and the advanced state shifting. Its goal is to basically put you in a state such that you get the hell out of your own way and whatever skill and knowledge of seduction is allowed to flow and be expressed freely and naturally. If you're not familiar with seduction, it will put you in a state that is helpful, but without knowledge, it's only going to make things easier to learn, not necessarily express what you don't yet have.
I am wondering about long-term effects of NSFM. If the sub is primarily aimed at short-term in-the-moment use, what then are the projected long-term effects? Since no script is available with the program being wholly based on OE: I presume the wording influences short-term effectiveness, but does this hamper long-term effect programming? The NSFM advertising page is pretty vague on the point of long-term goals, effects and the like, but I'd absolutely appreciate some input regarding that part of this funny beast of subliminal.
Cheerio.
It's vague because it's not really intended to be long term programming.
It works so fast because it is one of, if not the, first examples of the state shifting technology that has turned into 6G. But state shifting is tricky to work with, and has to be designed a specific way to be suitable for long term use or you may find that it trains your brain to stay in a state that is more effective for the goal, but less effective for other things.
Part of what is taking so long with 6G development is figuring out how to do long term programming using state shifting.
We have some guys who have used it as long term programming. See what they have said, and what they have to say. Right now I am so incredibly tired from my last self exposure overdose testing of the new prototype that I can't remember how it went for them.
RE: Natural Seduction for Men (NSFM) questions - Raz - 06-03-2015
Thanks for the clarification Shannon. The journal contributions on long-term use of NSFM do not offer much insight unfortunately.
Does this mean:
1. If I use the program for an extended period of time (say 32 - 96 days) and turn it off, the effects will vanish within hours or days due to the inherent design of short-term effectiveness?
2. Is long-term usage of NSFM safe with regards to your comment on training your brain to stay in the seduction-state?
RE: Natural Seduction for Men (NSFM) questions - Shannon - 06-04-2015
(06-03-2015, 11:10 PM)Raz Wrote: Thanks for the clarification Shannon. The journal contributions on long-term use of NSFM do not offer much insight unfortunately.
Does this mean:
1. If I use the program for an extended period of time (say 32 - 96 days) and turn it off, the effects will vanish within hours or days due to the inherent design of short-term effectiveness?
2. Is long-term usage of NSFM safe with regards to your comment on training your brain to stay in the seduction-state?
Long term programming does not vanish within hours or days. When you train your brain to a specific state it will tend to stay there, whether or not that is necessarily beneficial.
Will the state be trained for long term? I don't know. It might be. It might not. Will the script be long term programming? If you use it for long enough.
Is it safe to stay in a seduction state? Again, I don't know. It's not intended for, or tested for, long term use. I don't foresee it being a problem, but it's something you do at your own risk.
RE: Natural Seduction for Men (NSFM) questions - Raz - 06-04-2015
Thanks again Shannon. This answers exactly what I wanted to know.