(06-30-2024, 08:51 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(06-29-2024, 10:41 PM)Topaz Wrote: Above 30

Okay, I think I have identified what the issue is.  AM is very big on making you independent.  That is a big part pf being an alpha.  If you find yourself in a situation where your independence is not easily attained, then you're going to have two options:

1. Find a way to achieve independence, or
   
2. Fight to stay with where you are.
   

You seem to be doing both, based on what I have seen you report from AM and SM.

I have seen it multiple times that guys who are above the age of adulthood who either still live with family, or must for some reason rely on or be subordinate to family still, struggle to execute AM because it's telling them to become independent and self sufficient.  For some people,  circumstances don't make that easy, and it can be a very scary thing to do in some such cases.

Based on what I now understand, I see that you're in that very small percentage of guys who needs to first become independent of family before they'll be able to fully execute AM.  The best way to do that is to become financially self supporting.  That will give you the freedom to live on your own terms, which is necessary for being a real alpha.

So the step after you run SM is to focus on making yourself financially self supporting, and make a move to your own housing.

(06-30-2024, 01:53 AM)Johannesbrst Wrote:

(06-29-2024, 09:39 PM)Topaz Wrote: It is and it isn't a big deal. It's not easy for me to rely on my parents like this. 
My mom runs a small business, and I have a similar one that relies on hers. 
This arrangement gives me a lot of free time, but the salary is very small, which is not desirable. 
I've tried to grow this business for a few years without success. 
One idea is moving it to another city that might yield better results. 
My mother's business is quite profitable for her, making me too dependent on her. 
I can't argue with her much because of it.
Not that I don't when needed.
A she's gotten older she argues less with us and bit less dramatic and helpful. 
I did suffer from traumatic experiences because of her as a child.
My family is always afraid of her, even those who live elsewhere. 
I have the best relationship with her, which gives me certain perks.

I don't want to work in an office to make more money. AM6 pushed me to learn and study another profession so as not to rely on a family business, and I did for about 6-7 months. However, it seems very difficult, so now I'm trying two different things that can really help in the long run.

Both of my parents sometimes use shame, guilt, and fear. But to be honest, they've grown and do it less and have always been very helpful and understanding in many ways, even though we have our arguments. 
My mom totally accepts me even if I run around and have sex with different girls, though she wants me to find a wife. 
I think the government and people here instill much more fear, guilt, and shame than anything else.

Subconsciously, I may carry some of these feelings within me. However, I am known to be confident and act accordingly, so it's not like I am weak or afraid of things. But finding my way in life is a significant challenge. Maybe selling this business (for very little) and starting from scratch abroad (or just in a new business) is something hard that I'm afraid of doing, but I push myself anyway.

Writing all of this feels like E6/letting go of fear could help. Also, running AM6 again could be beneficial.
But I still don't get it, I feel like it was not successful and a bit a waste of time. I hope I'm wrong of course.


The reaction to stages 1 and now 2 of SM3 is that I'm just working harder and trying to find a new business or job to someday make more money.
I'm also considering small investments, like in the stock market, for the future. I'm more social, thank God, but women don't really react to me in a welcoming way when I cold approach. 
In a class I take once a week, people have started to notice me, looking at me, and a beautiful girl there started talking to me. However, her friend (also beautiful) looks at me but ignores me, making it harder to talk to the first girl I mentioned. 
Other men there mostly liked me in stage 1, but now in stage 2, some don't, while some see me as a mentor.

Regarding AM6, it's hard to explain the resistance I felt during the last stages or even earlier stages, but I'll try. I felt like I was becoming very mature, which is good, but also quiet and serious. I am usually very funny and carefree, but this made me less social and made it hard to connect with women or friends. 
It got worse in the last stages, as my friends went out approaching women, and I was very quiet, and serious, unable to approach or attract anyone. 
They were surprised and made me feel inferior and less confident than I should be. 
They remember me as one of the most attractive and social guy they know before AM6, and it made me feel socially anxious and incapable. All I wanted to do is to go home.

I wanted to run SM3 to change my situation, I knew what I felt that wasn't truly me. I can do better, and AM6 made me feel this way. That experience was at the end of stage 6.

During stage 5, I was a bit more social and met a girl through a cold approach. However, when we texted, I felt very awkward, like I was trying to be Mister James Bond confident and serious instead of being my usual chilled and flirty self. On our date, I was too much "Mister Right" like a smart, quiet businessman who could only offer a stable, boring future, instead of being relaxed, funny, and sexy. 
This made me feel unattractive and socially awkward, even though I was confident and didn't let her manipulate me, which was good.

I can't think of many other examples of the resistance reaction, other than having fights with friends who I felt didn't respect me or feeling socially awkward and serious. I became like an old grandpa in a young man's body. When out and wanting to meet women, I felt social anxiety and fear of approaching because my regular flow and ease were definitely not there.
When I approach people I didn't know what to say or how to say it. 
It was like the worse dream but a reality.
It was months on end torturous experience.

It's like someone took my abilities.

I hope this answers your questions.

I can relate to ypur AM journey. It felt more like I was taking the instructions from the subliminal literally and couldn't integrate it into my personality. 

My theory is that if you lack a solid grounding in your body you will emulate the subliminal rather than integrating it, at least with AM as I believe it has a strict "format" the user should develop after. 

I'm interested in Maverick which seems more geared toward integration with the individual and adapting to each case.

(06-30-2024, 10:18 AM)Topaz Wrote:

(06-30-2024, 01:53 AM)Johannesbrst Wrote: I can relate to ypur AM journey. It felt more like I was taking the instructions from the subliminal literally and couldn't integrate it into my personality. 

My theory is that if you lack a solid grounding in your body you will emulate the subliminal rather than integrating it, at least with AM as I believe it has a strict "format" the user should develop after. 

I'm interested in Maverick which seems more geared toward integration with the individual and adapting to each case.

Thank you man for understanding and writing that reply.

How many times did you run AM6?
And did you feel the same way even after few run throughs?

(06-30-2024, 10:16 AM)Topaz Wrote:

(06-30-2024, 08:51 AM)Shannon Wrote: Okay, I think I have identified what the issue is.  AM is very big on making you independent.  That is a big part pf being an alpha.  If you find yourself in a situation where your independence is not easily attained, then you're going to have two options:

1. Find a way to achieve independence, or
   
2. Fight to stay with where you are.
   

You seem to be doing both, based on what I have seen you report from AM and SM.

I have seen it multiple times that guys who are above the age of adulthood who either still live with family, or must for some reason rely on or be subordinate to family still, struggle to execute AM because it's telling them to become independent and self sufficient.  For some people,  circumstances don't make that easy, and it can be a very scary thing to do in some such cases.

Based on what I now understand, I see that you're in that very small percentage of guys who needs to first become independent of family before they'll be able to fully execute AM.  The best way to do that is to become financially self supporting.  That will give you the freedom to live on your own terms, which is necessary for being a real alpha.

So the step after you run SM is to focus on making yourself financially self supporting, and make a move to your own housing.

That's exactly what I'm already trying to do, and it will take time. I’ve also come to understand that achieving independence is crucial for my personal growth while using AM6. This is why I'm working on a new project that I hope will help me become more self-sufficient.
But there are not guarantees in life. 

I hope my current SM3 run through can achieve some of it's goals?

Are you suggesting that my current use of SM3 will be unsuccessful? 
If so, I don't fully understand why SM3 would totally fail unless the script is along the lines of "if I'm alpha I..." or "If I'm a strong alpha then I can..."

Btw I've used affirmations for the past 4 days and already women are reacting much better when I talk to them because of it. Including flirting and interested in me.

Do you suggest running AM6 again after SM3 to achieve independence or do suggest something money related? Or anything else?

Also as I understand you suggest finishing the current SM run through

• Finish running SM.  You will be able to see what does and does not happen, and you won't leave yourself unbalanced in the middle of a transition it is trying to work you through.
  
• You cannot see accurately what it's doing if you use other methods at the same time.  But that is up to you.
  
• When you finish this run of SM, focus yourself completely on achieving the financial state of being able to have the independence you need to really execute AM.
  
• Prioritize this financial state over women.  Women will have you spending money, and what you need right now is to be making, saving and possibly investing money.  This is the part that kills most guys.  They refuse to focus on mastering their finances before they start spending time and money on women.
  

(06-30-2024, 11:12 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(06-30-2024, 10:16 AM)Topaz Wrote: That's exactly what I'm already trying to do, and it will take time. I’ve also come to understand that achieving independence is crucial for my personal growth while using AM6. This is why I'm working on a new project that I hope will help me become more self-sufficient.
But there are not guarantees in life. 

I hope my current SM3 run through can achieve some of it's goals?

Are you suggesting that my current use of SM3 will be unsuccessful? 
If so, I don't fully understand why SM3 would totally fail unless the script is along the lines of "if I'm alpha I..." or "If I'm a strong alpha then I can..."

Btw I've used affirmations for the past 4 days and already women are reacting much better when I talk to them because of it. Including flirting and interested in me.

Do you suggest running AM6 again after SM3 to achieve independence or do suggest something money related? Or anything else?

Also as I understand you suggest finishing the current SM run through

As I understand your situation, your best bet seems to me to be as follow:

• Finish running SM.  You will be able to see what does and does not happen, and you won't leave yourself unbalanced in the middle of a transition it is trying to work you through.
  
• You cannot see accurately what it's doing if you use other methods at the same time.  But that is up to you.
  
• When you finish this run of SM, focus yourself completely on achieving the financial state of being able to have the independence you need to really execute AM.
  
• Prioritize this financial state over women.  Women will have you spending money, and what you need right now is to be making, saving and possibly investing money.  This is the part that kills most guys.  They refuse to focus on mastering their finances before they start spending time and money on women.
  

Once you have your finances worked out and you can have your own place to live and real control of your own life and choices, everything changes drastically.  That is why AM focuses you into yourself and your self development, and away from distractions like women.

(06-30-2024, 11:24 AM)Topaz Wrote:

(06-30-2024, 11:12 AM)Shannon Wrote: As I understand your situation, your best bet seems to me to be as follow:

• Finish running SM.  You will be able to see what does and does not happen, and you won't leave yourself unbalanced in the middle of a transition it is trying to work you through.
  
• You cannot see accurately what it's doing if you use other methods at the same time.  But that is up to you.
  
• When you finish this run of SM, focus yourself completely on achieving the financial state of being able to have the independence you need to really execute AM.
  
• Prioritize this financial state over women.  Women will have you spending money, and what you need right now is to be making, saving and possibly investing money.  This is the part that kills most guys.  They refuse to focus on mastering their finances before they start spending time and money on women.
  

Once you have your finances worked out and you can have your own place to live and real control of your own life and choices, everything changes drastically.  That is why AM focuses you into yourself and your self development, and away from distractions like women.

Thank you for your response.

About "You cannot see accurately what it's doing if you use other methods at the same time. But that is up to you."

I will state facts:
I've started to do affirmations seriously again few days ago. And started to see more and more how the universe provides different things and interactions into my life. The best of it was today when women became very attracted to me. So much so I didn't see feel something like that since before starting AM6 when I stopped doing affirmations.

So currently it's the affirmations doing that.
As long as it is possible to use them with AM6 and SM3 I will do so.
My mood is so much better as well even before these interactions. My abilities are high again as I used to remember them.
To check if it's the affirmations or SM3 all I need to do is stop them to see it's not SM3.

I'm not saying SM3 will not work I hope and think it will. 
What I say is I'm too familiar with affirmations to know and feel the difference.

So I'll continue with it.

About becoming more successful and independent I will do affirmations about it as well to make sure I get there.

I wonder if a money related subliminal can be more helpful in the future. But when I finish SM3 I will think about it.

Thank you for now I think I know what to do.
SM3 + affirmations -> AM6 + affirmations

(06-29-2024, 08:38 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(06-28-2024, 08:57 PM)Ampersnd Wrote: Hey Shannon,

You've recommended EHPRA, OSGF, and Self-Development as a trio of subliminals.
Given that there is a large overlap of terms, do you have a brand-related comparison - as in an analogy - that makes sense of their use in a particular order.
You are a good technician in the sense that you provide lots of features, and I geek out on that stuff, but I'm wondering about a unifying thread between all three.

I'm probably poised to start Self-Development, but I'm leaning toward Ultra Success

So basically, EHPRA is going to be best for you to use first in this trio if you haven't used them before.  It's good at a broad spectrum approach and deals with what you could say is "starting the process".  

But now I must digress and define the process, because EHPRA is very much a stand alone subliminal, and was designed that way because I didn't know OGSF would be coming out when it was designed, and I didn't know SD would be coming out when OGSF was developed.

So the "process" here is that we now have a way to step from one subliminal (EHPRA) to another (OGSF) to a third (SD) and each can effectively build on what the previous one has done, while giving the subconscious time to "rest and develop from" the previous one. 

In this case, EHPRA acts like a way to start healing, start working on the foundational issues.  It's like if you had a concrete foundation that had cracks in it, and the cracks couldn't just be patched up, you have to replace that concrete with fresh concrete.  And then OGSF acts on top of that foundation, which not only further enables EHPRA to do more of it's work, but also allows you to proverbially put a nice floor down on top of the foundation.  Self Development comes along and builds the house on top of that foundation.  It can work without the previous two, but it's going to provide much better results if you have the foundation dealt with first.

SD takes you and builds you up in many, many ways and helps you develop into a better, stronger version of yourself that is going to result in more overall mental and emotional health, like the previous two, but it works at a more conscious level than the other two.  It works on the subconscious, but the effects are going to have a bigger and more obvious impact on your conscious self, and will help you achieve greater success and happiness in life.  It's a different approach than other titles, focused through the "self" development.  Self esteem, self respect, etc.

(06-30-2024, 05:36 PM)AbundanceCH Wrote: Here’s an idea for a sub which would help a lot if not most of the guys in the forum. I think it would be a great seller.  I want to know what Shannon and everyone else thinks of this.

“Develop your masculinity”

As you already know a lot if not most of the issues of the guys in this forum (and outside too in the world) are in large part due to a lack of strong masculinity.  Whether it be due to anti male societal programming, lack of a strong male role model growing up, being raised my single mothers etc etc…guys are struggling right now.

This sub would help you become the most masculine version of yourself.  It would also help heal trauma related to masculinity (for those that have been emasculated by their mother, abuse (sexual or non sexual), bullying etc).

I think this might be an easy sub to make as Shannon could take some of the scripting of existing subs that relates to masculinity (some of the goals in the self steam sub could be used for example as they relate to masculinity).

And of course: goals about focus, determination, setting boundaries, defending yourself from attacks, competitiveness, confidence, self reliance, fearlessness, courage. Goals about some of the stuff most guys just lack now a days in terms of masculine traits which is leading to their struggle.

Just like you have money magnet and UMS you can have this sub and alpha male.

Alpha male is to make you a top male. This sub is to make you the most masculine version of yourself.  You could probably include this sub in alpha male since it’s a multi stager but this would be a good option for those that don’t want a multi stager and just want to be more masculine and not necessarily a top male/alpha male.

(06-30-2024, 06:02 PM)Ampersnd Wrote:

(06-29-2024, 08:38 AM)Shannon Wrote: So basically, EHPRA is going to be best for you to use first in this trio if you haven't used them before.  It's good at a broad spectrum approach and deals with what you could say is "starting the process".  

But now I must digress and define the process, because EHPRA is very much a stand alone subliminal, and was designed that way because I didn't know OGSF would be coming out when it was designed, and I didn't know SD would be coming out when OGSF was developed.

So the "process" here is that we now have a way to step from one subliminal (EHPRA) to another (OGSF) to a third (SD) and each can effectively build on what the previous one has done, while giving the subconscious time to "rest and develop from" the previous one. 

In this case, EHPRA acts like a way to start healing, start working on the foundational issues.  It's like if you had a concrete foundation that had cracks in it, and the cracks couldn't just be patched up, you have to replace that concrete with fresh concrete.  And then OGSF acts on top of that foundation, which not only further enables EHPRA to do more of it's work, but also allows you to proverbially put a nice floor down on top of the foundation.  Self Development comes along and builds the house on top of that foundation.  It can work without the previous two, but it's going to provide much better results if you have the foundation dealt with first.

SD takes you and builds you up in many, many ways and helps you develop into a better, stronger version of yourself that is going to result in more overall mental and emotional health, like the previous two, but it works at a more conscious level than the other two.  It works on the subconscious, but the effects are going to have a bigger and more obvious impact on your conscious self, and will help you achieve greater success and happiness in life.  It's a different approach than other titles, focused through the "self" development.  Self esteem, self respect, etc.

As much as I want to get off of the path of subliminals tailored towards emotional health, my gut tells me to truth your soft recommendation of following all three. 
Might as well, since I'm 6 months into the process already.
Thank you for your detailed and helpful answer.

At this rate, you'd almost benefit from creating roadmaps for different goals, much like how CompTIA has certification paths for different career paths. One for overcoming trauma, one for being financially successful, etc.

(07-01-2024, 03:33 AM)Shannon Wrote: The difficult part - one of them, I should say - comes in trying to define the goals.  Where does one thing begin and another end within the "masculine"?  Is it appropriate to add this or leave that out?  And of course, no matter what I do, someone is going to be upset or complain because XYZ did or didn't happen.

(07-01-2024, 07:18 AM)AbundanceCH Wrote:

(07-01-2024, 03:33 AM)Shannon Wrote: The difficult part - one of them, I should say - comes in trying to define the goals.  Where does one thing begin and another end within the "masculine"?  Is it appropriate to add this or leave that out?  And of course, no matter what I do, someone is going to be upset or complain because XYZ did or didn't happen.

You mentioned how some of the stuff is already in AM.  Just like LTU has several programs already in it I don't see why not AM can't have this develop your masculinity title already in it when the time comes to develop AM.  Just like you can have Money Magnet and then have UMS being a more complete money mastery program you can have both AM and this new title.

I think the distinction can be made between both.  An alpha male has all the qualities of a masculine man but a masculine man is not necessarily the alpha male of his group.  Maybe some guys just want to undo all the feminization they have gone through since childhood before they step into AM to become a top male.  Maybe some don't want to become an alpha male and just want to be more masculine.

As far as what's appropriate...I think Benjamin can also chime in on this as I have noted over the years how he does understand and is tuned in to the issues of masculinity and the feminization of men.  I've posted about this stuff in the forums for a while myself and have been studying this stuff for years (since i have suffered through and still working on fixing my masculinity).

Some of the basic goals from my studying this issue are what I listed.  I would say most guys suffer from this now a days due to feminization.

(07-01-2024, 07:39 AM)Shannon Wrote: I'm aware of what needs to go in, but the issue I face is two things specifically:
1. Where do we draw the line between what goes into AM only and what goes into Develop Your Masculinity, and
2. No matter what I put in, someone will complain that XYZ should have gone in, or should not have.