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(06-29-2024, 11:48 AM)Topaz Wrote: I'm going do what needed until something is working I'm not here to quit.

But I'm don't know what to do.

AM6 again is not appealing and I'm not sure if E6 is the best route?
Again it's very confusing AM6 again might be enough OR it might not be and then I need to run E6 or OGSF

I don't see myself as a fearful man I was when I was a child and I'm not saying I have no fears or no blockages but for example I had a bit of social anxiety coming back on AM6 (something I didn't have for years) and it went away with SM3 (not that I'm a superman who is not fearful of anything but I'm sometimes too confident).

I am a very confident and willing to change and do things differently.
I'm sure however I had traumatic experiences when I was younger. So maybe E6 can help with that.
I'm also sure OGSF will help anyway and the new self improvement. But I don't want to do 10 different programs and jump from one to the next to the next to the next........
I still have a long way to be a successful man.

So by what you write here just running AM6 again after SM3 might be a very good option?

I've used stage 7 of AM6 for I think maybe a week or two I felt:
1 socially awkward
2 weird
3 that it would be better to do full run through than this because I need more time to fully take it in
4 that I should move to SM3 which would be the best option for me

I'm btw much more stable with SM3 than I was with the last stages of AM6
I felt unstable emotionally and not like myself (not confident weird and awkward) on the last stages of AM6 including 5 6 7

In stage 1-2-3 I felt the best and very confident indeed

• They are raised in a very religious household where the religion is very strict regarding sex, and they're having trouble executing because they still live with their parents, and "being alpha" is going against their belief that they need to obey their parents.
  
• They are raised in a single parent household by a mother with no father and their mother used/uses guilt/shame/fear to control them, and is very much a believer in either feminism or "strong women", while overtly or covertly opposing strong masculinity in males.
  
• They are raised to be afraid of everything so they still need a parent (usually mom) to "save them".
  
• Their upbringing filled them with fear as a result of a fundamentalist religion, and they're terrified of committing some sort of act that will get them eternally punished.
  

(06-29-2024, 01:28 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(06-29-2024, 11:48 AM)Topaz Wrote: I'm going do what needed until something is working I'm not here to quit.

But I'm don't know what to do.

AM6 again is not appealing and I'm not sure if E6 is the best route?
Again it's very confusing AM6 again might be enough OR it might not be and then I need to run E6 or OGSF

I don't see myself as a fearful man I was when I was a child and I'm not saying I have no fears or no blockages but for example I had a bit of social anxiety coming back on AM6 (something I didn't have for years) and it went away with SM3 (not that I'm a superman who is not fearful of anything but I'm sometimes too confident).

I am a very confident and willing to change and do things differently.
I'm sure however I had traumatic experiences when I was younger. So maybe E6 can help with that.
I'm also sure OGSF will help anyway and the new self improvement. But I don't want to do 10 different programs and jump from one to the next to the next to the next........
I still have a long way to be a successful man.

So by what you write here just running AM6 again after SM3 might be a very good option?

I've used stage 7 of AM6 for I think maybe a week or two I felt:
1 socially awkward
2 weird
3 that it would be better to do full run through than this because I need more time to fully take it in
4 that I should move to SM3 which would be the best option for me

I'm btw much more stable with SM3 than I was with the last stages of AM6
I felt unstable emotionally and not like myself (not confident weird and awkward) on the last stages of AM6 including 5 6 7

In stage 1-2-3 I felt the best and very confident indeed

Okay, so this gives us some clues about what the specific issues are.  By stages 4-5-7 of AM7, it's expecting you to be doing the more advanced stuff and expressing it.

If you can help me understand some things, I can guide you to the best option for the next run.  BUT!  Just because it isn't appealing doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.  If that's what you most need to work on, that's what is going to be what those parts of you that don't want to deal with it are least going to want to do.

It's good that on Stage 7, you realized you needed to run through all six stages again. 

Stability on SM3 so far may change as you get further, just like with AM6.  Later stages are more advanced stuff.

What I need to understand better to guide you from here is what would be your blockages.  It is most common when people have blockages with AM/SM that one of the following is true:

• They are raised in a very religious household where the religion is very strict regarding sex, and they're having trouble executing because they still live with their parents, and "being alpha" is going against their belief that they need to obey their parents.
  
• They are raised in a single parent household by a mother with no father and their mother used/uses guilt/shame/fear to control them, and is very much a believer in either feminism or "strong women", while overtly or covertly opposing strong masculinity in males.
  
• They are raised to be afraid of everything so they still need a parent (usually mom) to "save them".
  
• Their upbringing filled them with fear as a result of a fundamentalist religion, and they're terrified of committing some sort of act that will get them eternally punished.
  

Do any of these describe your situation?

(06-29-2024, 03:43 PM)Topaz Wrote:

(06-29-2024, 01:28 PM)Shannon Wrote: Okay, so this gives us some clues about what the specific issues are.  By stages 4-5-7 of AM7, it's expecting you to be doing the more advanced stuff and expressing it.

If you can help me understand some things, I can guide you to the best option for the next run.  BUT!  Just because it isn't appealing doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.  If that's what you most need to work on, that's what is going to be what those parts of you that don't want to deal with it are least going to want to do.

It's good that on Stage 7, you realized you needed to run through all six stages again. 

Stability on SM3 so far may change as you get further, just like with AM6.  Later stages are more advanced stuff.

What I need to understand better to guide you from here is what would be your blockages.  It is most common when people have blockages with AM/SM that one of the following is true:

• They are raised in a very religious household where the religion is very strict regarding sex, and they're having trouble executing because they still live with their parents, and "being alpha" is going against their belief that they need to obey their parents.
  
• They are raised in a single parent household by a mother with no father and their mother used/uses guilt/shame/fear to control them, and is very much a believer in either feminism or "strong women", while overtly or covertly opposing strong masculinity in males.
  
• They are raised to be afraid of everything so they still need a parent (usually mom) to "save them".
  
• Their upbringing filled them with fear as a result of a fundamentalist religion, and they're terrified of committing some sort of act that will get them eternally punished.
  

Do any of these describe your situation?

It's a combination of different factors. I was raised in a semi-religious environment and currently live with my parents in a separate section of the house due to a peculiar situation involving finances and the area I reside in.

My mother is not a single parent, but she has taken on the alpha role because my father lost his fortune in his previously successful business. She is a very strong woman, though not feministic in nature. She embodies traditional values, cooking for my father and the family. She expects me to meet women who are intelligent, respect men, and can manage a household even if they have careers. She believes women should be financially independent, smart, gentle, strong, and kind simultaneously, which is a common expectation for women in our community.

Feminism here is not prevalent; if it exists, it often stems from fear rather than strength. My father, on the other hand, hardly communicates with me, which is quite uncommon in our culture. He didn't teach me basic aspects of manhood, so I was essentially raised by myself and my mother. Both of my parents used fear, shame, and guilt as parenting tools, which is not unique, as many parents do the same.

In our culture, relying on parents is essential for survival. They remain deeply involved in their children's lives even after marriage or moving out. Maintaining a good relationship with them is crucial because, for example, when renting an apartment, landlords often require parents to sign as the main guarantors. Without guarantors, you would have to buy the apartment or pay the entire year's rent upfront, which is uncommon unless you are wealthy.

Like others, I no longer feel the fear or guilt that was instilled in me as a child, so my parents don't control me. However, I am financially dependent on them due to my current low income. I used to have more money, but I squandered it.

Everything you mentioned is quite common. Currently, I choose to live and work with my parents because I owe money to people. I also work in several other areas to secure a new job and get out of trouble. Although AM6 might push me to live elsewhere, doing so would make it impossible for me to repay my debts and survive, or even afford products like these.

Quote:1. Nothing you mention strikes me as being a really big deal for explaining why you're having the challenges you seem to be having.

2. Can you explain what your resistance response feels like in more depth?  Any particular actions, reactions, responses, urges that come up when you're experiencing it?

(06-29-2024, 09:39 PM)Topaz Wrote:

Quote:1. Nothing you mention strikes me as being a really big deal for explaining why you're having the challenges you seem to be having.

2. Can you explain what your resistance response feels like in more depth?  Any particular actions, reactions, responses, urges that come up when you're experiencing it?

It is and it isn't a big deal. It's not easy for me to rely on my parents like this. 
My mom runs a small business, and I have a similar one that relies on hers. 
This arrangement gives me a lot of free time, but the salary is very small, which is not desirable. 
I've tried to grow this business for a few years without success. 
One idea is moving it to another city that might yield better results. 
My mother's business is quite profitable for her, making me too dependent on her. 
I can't argue with her much because of it.
Not that I don't when needed.
A she's gotten older she argues less with us and bit less dramatic and helpful. 
I did suffer from traumatic experiences because of her as a child.
My family is always afraid of her, even those who live elsewhere. 
I have the best relationship with her, which gives me certain perks.

I don't want to work in an office to make more money. AM6 pushed me to learn and study another profession so as not to rely on a family business, and I did for about 6-7 months. However, it seems very difficult, so now I'm trying two different things that can really help in the long run.

Both of my parents sometimes use shame, guilt, and fear. But to be honest, they've grown and do it less and have always been very helpful and understanding in many ways, even though we have our arguments. 
My mom totally accepts me even if I run around and have sex with different girls, though she wants me to find a wife. 
I think the government and people here instill much more fear, guilt, and shame than anything else.

Subconsciously, I may carry some of these feelings within me. However, I am known to be confident and act accordingly, so it's not like I am weak or afraid of things. But finding my way in life is a significant challenge. Maybe selling this business (for very little) and starting from scratch abroad (or just in a new business) is something hard that I'm afraid of doing, but I push myself anyway.

Writing all of this feels like E6/letting go of fear could help. Also, running AM6 again could be beneficial.
But I still don't get it, I feel like it was not successful and a bit a waste of time. I hope I'm wrong of course.


The reaction to stages 1 and now 2 of SM3 is that I'm just working harder and trying to find a new business or job to someday make more money.
I'm also considering small investments, like in the stock market, for the future. I'm more social, thank God, but women don't really react to me in a welcoming way when I cold approach. 
In a class I take once a week, people have started to notice me, looking at me, and a beautiful girl there started talking to me. However, her friend (also beautiful) looks at me but ignores me, making it harder to talk to the first girl I mentioned. 
Other men there mostly liked me in stage 1, but now in stage 2, some don't, while some see me as a mentor.

Regarding AM6, it's hard to explain the resistance I felt during the last stages or even earlier stages, but I'll try. I felt like I was becoming very mature, which is good, but also quiet and serious. I am usually very funny and carefree, but this made me less social and made it hard to connect with women or friends. 
It got worse in the last stages, as my friends went out approaching women, and I was very quiet, and serious, unable to approach or attract anyone. 
They were surprised and made me feel inferior and less confident than I should be. 
They remember me as one of the most attractive and social guy they know before AM6, and it made me feel socially anxious and incapable. All I wanted to do is to go home.

I wanted to run SM3 to change my situation, I knew what I felt that wasn't truly me. I can do better, and AM6 made me feel this way. That experience was at the end of stage 6.

During stage 5, I was a bit more social and met a girl through a cold approach. However, when we texted, I felt very awkward, like I was trying to be Mister James Bond confident and serious instead of being my usual chilled and flirty self. On our date, I was too much "Mister Right" like a smart, quiet businessman who could only offer a stable, boring future, instead of being relaxed, funny, and sexy. 
This made me feel unattractive and socially awkward, even though I was confident and didn't let her manipulate me, which was good.

I can't think of many other examples of the resistance reaction, other than having fights with friends who I felt didn't respect me or feeling socially awkward and serious. I became like an old grandpa in a young man's body. When out and wanting to meet women, I felt social anxiety and fear of approaching because my regular flow and ease were definitely not there.
When I approach people I didn't know what to say or how to say it. 
It was like the worse dream but a reality.
It was months on end torturous experience.

It's like someone took my abilities.

I hope this answers your questions.

(06-29-2024, 10:41 PM)Topaz Wrote: Above 30

1. Find a way to achieve independence, or
   
2. Fight to stay with where you are.
   

(06-30-2024, 05:28 AM)MrGnome Wrote: Hi Shannon, Is it worth it to do E6 after SD and before AM7?, Considering I only used OGSF the second part out of the 3..

(06-30-2024, 08:59 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(06-30-2024, 05:28 AM)MrGnome Wrote: Hi Shannon, Is it worth it to do E6 after SD and before AM7?, Considering I only used OGSF the second part out of the 3..

You don't have to do all three.  They will have a synergy to them, and you can use them to continually step up and improve once you have them, but endlessly inserting efforts to heal yourself are going to use up valuable time.

At the same time, if you try to make progress before you get certain things dealt with, you will have to go back and spend time daling with issues that may be holding you back.

In many cases, the best way to learn to fly is to jump out of the nest and fly. 

So if I were in your shoes, I would not worry about E6.  I would do SD and then start on AM6.  Once I finished AM6 I would assess what my experience was with AM6 and then make the decision between trying to work further on self healing, development, overcoming fear, etc. or doing AM7.

You will have to make the choice as to exactly what you're going to do for yourself.  But the goal of AM is to make you into a self capable, self supporting adult man who takes care of and responsibility for himself, and who handles his business.  I can't know all the variables you're dealing with.