(08-19-2016, 04:54 AM)RTBoss Wrote:

(08-18-2016, 08:35 PM)maxx55 Wrote: Unfortunately, v3 is a shift in both goal phrasing and energy sourcing (compared to v1). Maybe if it under performs, we get a version that uses v1's goal phrasing and keeps the improved energy sourcing. We'll just have to wait and see.

I know you're using E2. You didn't experience each version of DMSI as I did. V1's goal phrasing was the same (or very similar) to BIABWS. It was hit or miss, but the aura was very apparent. And it always seemed to affect older women the most. I affected more women I found attractive on 2.1, and 2.2 would have been amazing if the aura didn't have a conflict in the scripting. Don't glorify V1 when you didn't run it - it wasn't that great.

(08-19-2016, 10:04 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote:

(08-19-2016, 04:54 AM)RTBoss Wrote:

(08-18-2016, 08:35 PM)maxx55 Wrote: Unfortunately, v3 is a shift in both goal phrasing and energy sourcing (compared to v1). Maybe if it under performs, we get a version that uses v1's goal phrasing and keeps the improved energy sourcing. We'll just have to wait and see.

I know you're using E2. You didn't experience each version of DMSI as I did. V1's goal phrasing was the same (or very similar) to BIABWS. It was hit or miss, but the aura was very apparent. And it always seemed to affect older women the most. I affected more women I found attractive on 2.1, and 2.2 would have been amazing if the aura didn't have a conflict in the scripting. Don't glorify V1 when you didn't run it - it wasn't that great.

Sorry, Boss -- v1 was balls to the wall kickass (at least for me). I would pay $299 - $500 for this:

A two subliminal set.

Stage One: Focused on healing. It's a version of E2 directly aimed at achieving the target goal. Heals in the background like E2. Heals you at your own pace. Hides the pain from the conscious mind. Intuitively lets you know when you're ready for Stage 2.

Stage Two: v1's aura + upgraded NSFM (not "Natural Seduction for EVERYONE," as Shannon put it) that puts me in a fierce, hunting mode + the state-shifting and autopilot.

Why not NSFE, chaos? Well, this is pure speculation, but I think the gender neutral thing is holding DMSI back. A lot of people get annoyed when they hear "gender neutral" because they think of all the craziness in the news. When I hear "gender neutral," at least in regards to DMSI, I think of it from the perspective of a businessman: Shannon doesn't want to have to develop, maintain and support multiple SKUs. Solution? Make a turnkey, all-in-one version.

Here's my issue -- and again, this is PURE speculation, so I may be completely off-base. Men and women have distinct (and almost opposing) sexual strategies. If I had to guess, the autopilot and state-shifting technologies are evolved versions of the tech in NSFM. I imagine those functions work by instructing the subconscious to provide the proper knowledge to the conscious mind to achieve the target goal. However, I bet NSFM also contained direct instructions on seducing women, based upon Shannon's research in human sexuality. In simpler terms, a man that HAD no knowledge of seduction would receive some from the subliminal -- ala Sex Magnet -- which would contribute to his success.

Theoretically, a "Natural Seduction for Everyone," would lack these extra instructions and would rely completely on the autopilot and state-shifting tech. As we've seen with v2.1 and v2.2, the autopilot tech doesn't seem to be kicking in for inexperienced men -- hence the whole, "I don't know what to do with these IOIs" issue.

In my opinion, the best way to reach the target goal is separating the subs into multiple SKUs. Think about it -- most women are inundated with male attention anyway. It's not "more male attention" that they want, it's "more alpha male" attention. A SKU dedicated to women could possess that specific phrasing, making it a much more worthwhile investment for them.

That being said, we still have to remember that this is still the exploratory stage of brand new science. You can't expect Shannon to get it right the first time because there's no precedence for what's being done here. Most people still don't even believe it's possible. I was telling a good friend of mine about this and he was looking at me like I was absolutely crazy. Shannon mentioned in another thread that developing this correctly is probably harder than going to the moon. People disagreed. Think about it -- there's been a number of successful lunar landings. The powers that be KNOW how to do it. Yes, it's difficult, expensive and requires a HUGE staff. However, it's been done. Multiple times. There's a manual. There's no manual whatsoever to developing something like DMSI.

(08-19-2016, 10:12 AM)RTBoss Wrote: Please list:

How many loops you used AOSI total:
How many loops you used 2.1 total:
How many loops you used 2.2 total:
How many of any of those loops were used stand alone with no other subliminal?:

I'll stand by your usage of 2.3, after AM6 is complete.

(08-19-2016, 10:21 AM)Sickologist Wrote: v1 was out of this world. The attention is similar to using 10+ drops of Aqua Vitae. I had over a 100 (not like I counted) hits in less than 2 hours wearing AV in a busy shopping street. v1 generated similar results, but in a different way. So that speaks volumes about it's potency.

Chaos, awesome idea. I've been contemplating getting NSFM. Main reason is that work and boring day to day shit can throw me off a desired state sometimes. v1 + NSFM and I'll gladly pay up. It'll be immense for true.

(08-19-2016, 08:46 AM)rayrocanaldo Wrote: There is two things I dislike about DMSI. It's the goal phrasing for getting sex & the gender neutral thing ( towards every person of the gender I am attracted to thing ).

The original Aura Of Sexiness could already be used by anybody of any sexual orientation. It was already gender neutral. It said on the website : " This title can be used by either gender, and can be used successfully by anyone of any sexual orientation. " AOS was already gender neutral. No need to make it gender neutral, the thing is gender neutral already. I think it makes the sub less effective cause The original AOS was effective as **** without it. You can check the testimonial section for testimonials of AOS.

Next is the goal phrasing. You can get the sex indirectly by working on the aura. Remember how frenchmagnet got sex with 70% of the beautiful women he knew in a group. The goal phrasing should be about building the hottest, sexiest & most alluring aura of irresistible sexiness possible not on getting sex. I think focusing on trying to get sex, makes it less effective. Anyways thats my 2 cent. What do you guys think.

(08-19-2016, 10:27 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote:

(08-19-2016, 10:12 AM)RTBoss Wrote: Please list:

How many loops you used AOSI total:
How many loops you used 2.1 total:
How many loops you used 2.2 total:
How many of any of those loops were used stand alone with no other subliminal?:

I'll stand by your usage of 2.3, after AM6 is complete.

I don't need to list any of that, because every time I run v1, I reach the target goal. The one time I ran 2.2, I bombed out like no other. I'll get to why that's relevant in one moment. First...

You can argue that n = 1 is useless, but I'll have to point out that:

One -- Your claim that v1 "wasn't that great" is also equates to n = 1.
Two -- One can simply look at the journals and see that the most sex / closest calls to sex (like Kenpachi's experience of a woman begging him to f*ck her) occurred on v1.

Attempting to discredit those experiences based on the number of my loops is bad science, bad logic and a failure to look at this issue from an objective standpoint, especially since Shannon has thrown out the rulebook in regards to 5.5g tech. 5.5g tech is unpredictable, given the fact that two loops of v1 was giving me results for up to five days. In Shannon's case, he was experiencing results of v1 TWO WEEKS after he ran ONE loop.

Also, let's consider the odd changes in optimal loops as predicted by the models. With v1, the optimal amount of loops was something like two loops, then a jump to eight loops? Why? Well, we don't quite understand. I'm not sure if Shannon understands -- he just knows and trusts the models. v2.2 had an optimal loop amount of what? Three?

Again, number of of loops is not an indicator of anything other than... well, number of loops. The only true indicator at this point is experiences. And in my experiences, I was able to do more with v1's aura very, very quickly.

The point I'm making in all that is: You can't objectively claim that the v1's aura "wasn't that great." There's no evidence to support that. It's just an opinion, one that I disagree with.

(08-19-2016, 10:21 AM)Sickologist Wrote: v1 was out of this world. The attention is similar to using 10+ drops of Aqua Vitae. I had over a 100 (not like I counted) hits in less than 2 hours wearing AV in a busy shopping street. v1 generated similar results, but in a different way. So that speaks volumes about it's potency.

Chaos, awesome idea. I've been contemplating getting NSFM. Main reason is that work and boring day to day shit can throw me off a desired state sometimes. v1 + NSFM and I'll gladly pay up. It'll be immense for true.

(08-19-2016, 10:52 AM)Sickologist Wrote: The aura makes up what, 5% of your overall sex appeal?

(08-19-2016, 10:32 AM)RTBoss Wrote: My argument is that, in your case, n=0 because you have never been a valid tester. I'm not making the "rules" here, Shannon is.

When it comes to my own experience, yes, I'm 1 tester. But, I'm 1 tester in a group of valid testers, a group that excludes you.

(08-19-2016, 11:03 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: You're right. I'm not a "valid tester."

(08-19-2016, 08:23 AM)Jones Wrote: I purchased DMSI for use after E2. While I have not listened to it yet, I believe it will get where it should be going, so I made a speculative buy.

That said, I keep reading about the "healing" in DMSI and it got me to thinking...

I am a big fan of a tool that does one job REALLY well (Linux user here).

Why put ANY kind of "healing" focus into a subliminal that is designed to stimulate purely sexual contact with the opposite sex?

You want healing? Buy E2.

The "kitchen sink" approach seems more likely to muddy the waters.