(01-31-2017, 08:04 PM)dweller94 Wrote: So here are my suggestions just in case they have gotten lost:

A confidence module ( pretty self explanatory )

Another thing I thought about today since I have been running Stop Masturbating 4G is that in the past when I went on for prolonged periods of (not ejaculating) opportunities would arise with women but if *sexual energy* can be specifically channeled like it does in the stop masturbating sub but towards DMSI Goals.

Something like this:

I now channel any and all of my sexual energy into positive options, accomplishments, alternatives and outcomes that get me laid, while being pleasurable and fun for me. (You get the idea, let's use this energy in our favor)

Another thing I want for you to please consider is that when I ran v3B the headaches that were that bad I had to vomit to get some kind of relief I really wanted to use 3B for longer as I was partially executing but the pain from the headaches, it wasn't bearable at all. I'm all for making it more difficult to resist but if you can no pain please.



Can't wait for this badboy!

(01-15-2017, 04:48 AM)bits Wrote: Shannon,

If it's not too early or too late for 3.1 requests I'm in favor of this one:

Quote:morphine drip/euphoric/uplifting mood aura for all women - we've all seen really good looking guys strike out because they're boring. How you make a woman feel is more important than how she sees you. My female friends and roommates always go on and on about some random sexy guy they saw but they didn't even do anything, because it was 100% visual which makes sense for men but women need more than that.

The aura would make them happy, giddy, excited, "up for anything" just by being around the DMSI user. It will draw women into your proximity like a magnet, make them carry more of the conversation, make them come back if they need to leave somewhere, neutralize cock-blockers, and possibly provide a small form of imprint.

Also helpful for situations where sex wouldn't be possible because you 2 are only in the same spot for a few minutes and then have to leave due to other commitments. Public transport, in line for the movies, picking up a package, on your way to work, etc. In those situations sex isn't likely, but a number close and date is.

Thanks too bookstacks for reminding me of this in his last update

(01-13-2017, 10:56 AM)Bookstacks DC737 Wrote: The biggest thing I've observed so far is boredom. People are absolutely bored out of their minds and they're always looking for something to fill in that gap. You don't have to be the most attractive or anything, so long as you give women hope that through you, they can experience some excitement.

The second thing is that leading has a lot less to do with being dominant than I thought. Leading is also just about giving people the opportunity to shine. Extracting people from that habitual space of interacting with people and forcing them to dig a little deeper, think a little more and express themselves fully - rather than whatever character they choose to be during daily life.

It's also why I'm looking forward to the sexual mastery module of 3.1 along with all the other modules. I want to bring people out of their shell when they're around me. As I continue to become more and more free, I want to spread that to everyone around me.

I think boredom is an even bigger issue for women under 30 due to shallow social circles which are rapidly expanding (social media) but true social circles that are meaningful becoming more and more closed off (due to the lack of social skills accelerated by technology).

In any social gathering, people always gravitate towards the fun and if most guys reflect on their hookups they'll see it was a combo of non-neediness, going out just to have fun, and something "just happened" in the spur of the moment with a woman who was attracted to them. Hell the woman probably had more attractive options, but nothing is sexier to women than having a good time and feeling good.

DMSI has non-neediness and attraction handled but I think that "wow every time i'm around this guy I feel amazing and have a blast" factor would kick things way up. It's not too hard to create a happy and fun environment at a party/bar/club but it does require some more advanced social skills and it's not something you can do outside of party-type environments without looking like a total weirdo.

It would be amazing if DMSI can automatically elicit those same emotions just by talking to a woman while standing in line at starbucks or shopping for some shoes. Just sexiness alone can do it (hence women giggle and laugh at everything when attracted) but having those feelings automatically be created by the aura would surely help.

The pheromone equivalent I have in mind is instant shine by androtics

I'd like to see it hit everyone for 3 reasons:

1) its just good karma to make everyone feel good for no reason

2) women travel in groups, stay in groups, and theres usually at least 1 cockblocker whos having a bad day

3) it would help with networking with other people of the same gender

(01-31-2017, 02:39 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: This is pointless. Clearly you guys don't want to give up your crusade. I only hope Shannon can see that there's more going on.

I'll; say again: the only time I've ever succeeded with girls or sales was when I was GIVING A **** about the outcome.

You can quote whatever gurus you want, it won't change my experiences.

Also, DMSI isn't an inner peace sub!! That's E3 and etc's department. Jesus. Go smoke some weed if you want inner peace.

(01-31-2017, 11:56 PM)bits Wrote: instant shine like effect Its pretty cool just sitting there like a giant lump and having people say what a blast you are to hang around.

(01-15-2017, 04:48 AM)bits Wrote: Shannon,

If it's not too early or too late for 3.1 requests I'm in favor of this one:

Quote:morphine drip/euphoric/uplifting mood aura for all women - we've all seen really good looking guys strike out because they're boring. How you make a woman feel is more important than how she sees you. My female friends and roommates always go on and on about some random sexy guy they saw but they didn't even do anything, because it was 100% visual which makes sense for men but women need more than that.

The aura would make them happy, giddy, excited, "up for anything" just by being around the DMSI user. It will draw women into your proximity like a magnet, make them carry more of the conversation, make them come back if they need to leave somewhere, neutralize cock-blockers, and possibly provide a small form of imprint.

Also helpful for situations where sex wouldn't be possible because you 2 are only in the same spot for a few minutes and then have to leave due to other commitments. Public transport, in line for the movies, picking up a package, on your way to work, etc. In those situations sex isn't likely, but a number close and date is.

Thanks too bookstacks for reminding me of this in his last update

(01-13-2017, 10:56 AM)Bookstacks DC737 Wrote: The biggest thing I've observed so far is boredom. People are absolutely bored out of their minds and they're always looking for something to fill in that gap. You don't have to be the most attractive or anything, so long as you give women hope that through you, they can experience some excitement.

The second thing is that leading has a lot less to do with being dominant than I thought. Leading is also just about giving people the opportunity to shine. Extracting people from that habitual space of interacting with people and forcing them to dig a little deeper, think a little more and express themselves fully - rather than whatever character they choose to be during daily life.

It's also why I'm looking forward to the sexual mastery module of 3.1 along with all the other modules. I want to bring people out of their shell when they're around me. As I continue to become more and more free, I want to spread that to everyone around me.

I think boredom is an even bigger issue for women under 30 due to shallow social circles which are rapidly expanding (social media) but true social circles that are meaningful becoming more and more closed off (due to the lack of social skills accelerated by technology).

In any social gathering, people always gravitate towards the fun and if most guys reflect on their hookups they'll see it was a combo of non-neediness, going out just to have fun, and something "just happened" in the spur of the moment with a woman who was attracted to them. Hell the woman probably had more attractive options, but nothing is sexier to women than having a good time and feeling good.

DMSI has non-neediness and attraction handled but I think that "wow every time i'm around this guy I feel amazing and have a blast" factor would kick things way up. It's not too hard to create a happy and fun environment at a party/bar/club but it does require some more advanced social skills and it's not something you can do outside of party-type environments without looking like a total weirdo.

It would be amazing if DMSI can automatically elicit those same emotions just by talking to a woman while standing in line at starbucks or shopping for some shoes. Just sexiness alone can do it (hence women giggle and laugh at everything when attracted) but having those feelings automatically be created by the aura would surely help.

The pheromone equivalent I have in mind is instant shine by androtics

I'd like to see it hit everyone for 3 reasons:

1) its just good karma to make everyone feel good for no reason

2) women travel in groups, stay in groups, and theres usually at least 1 cockblocker whos having a bad day

3) it would help with networking with other people of the same gender

+1 for an aura of masculinity like the one in sm3

+1 for social skills/social confidence

+1 for more dis-inhibition

As for all of the other stuff like growing taller, penis enlargement, weight loss, muscle growth, etc I think it's better for the subliminal to focus on achieving it's goal first and then add all the extra stuff in. Things like that take a lot of energy not to mention time. I'd much rather have any time/energy be focused on 100% on healing and then projecting the aura. Even with steroids most guys will require 2-3 months of heavy training and an optimized diet to gain 15-20 lbs of muscle. After about 18/19 its unlikely that you'll grow more than 1 inch per year unless you hit one last final growth spurt which would happen without subliminals anyways.

Not to mention the fact that's its simply not needed, my gym has a few guys whos dating lives are absolute hell even though they have some amazing physiques. Their problem is they spend all their extra time in the gym and don't go out on fridays/saturdays because it will screw up their macros if they eat/drink anything. They would get laid much more often and with hotter women if they had a beer gut and worked as a bouncer or bartender at a bar/nightclub but instead they swipe on tinder and settle for whichever women are willing to come straight to their house which 90% of the time are the less desirable ones. Sure they get matches with really attractive women too, but they have better options on the table than coming over to some random guys house for netflix and chill. What Bookstacks said above about women seeking fun and escaping boredom is very true.

Speaking of which, social circle manifistation would be a good addition. Until DMSI can reach it's full potential it's highly unlikely that an attractive woman will approach you in a book store or whatever because she's already got 5 attractive guys in her social circle who she can't even decide between. On the other hand, if you were one of those 5 guys and you run into each other at some event then the odds are way higher. Have the social circle geared towards achieving the goals of DMSI. No point in manifesting guys who only hang out at the gym vs. a girl who is a yoga instructor and constantly hears about her fit clients struggling to meet a decent guy or a guy who works as a liaison for a modeling agency and has super models asking him if anyone can show them fun stuff to do in the city....

(02-01-2017, 05:43 AM)robstar Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 02:39 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: This is pointless. Clearly you guys don't want to give up your crusade. I only hope Shannon can see that there's more going on.

I'll; say again: the only time I've ever succeeded with girls or sales was when I was GIVING A **** about the outcome.

You can quote whatever gurus you want, it won't change my experiences.

Also, DMSI isn't an inner peace sub!! That's E3 and etc's department. Jesus. Go smoke some weed if you want inner peace.

You are just not comprehending. You think you're talking about the same thing and giving examples of when OI didn't work for you, but you're not actually going examples of OI you are giving examples of defeatism and apathy. You even said it yourself "The desire is there but I just don't care to act on it, IE NGAF" yet you don't realise that is NOT what we're talking about. When you are outcome independent you still prefer to succeed than fail, you are focused on the process you still want to act, but you are not INVESTED in one particular outcome. You see the big picture that whether you succeed or fail in one instance is insignificant because you're still improving.

(02-01-2017, 05:53 AM)robstar Wrote: Please read this Sarge: http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2016/05/23/outcome-independent-still-goals-desires/

This is literally exactly what I'm talking about, put into words perfectly.

(02-01-2017, 04:06 AM)kenpachi Wrote: Shannon, have you ever considered releasing a version of DMSI in the distant future which could be used by those who want to remain in monogamous relationships? So we just get the increased sexiness which keeps our partners attracted and the social benefits of being sexy without the sub instructing us to pursue sex with others?

(02-01-2017, 07:21 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 11:56 PM)bits Wrote: instant shine like effect Its pretty cool just sitting there like a giant lump and having people say what a blast you are to hang around.

(01-15-2017, 04:48 AM)bits Wrote: Shannon,

If it's not too early or too late for 3.1 requests I'm in favor of this one:

Quote:morphine drip/euphoric/uplifting mood aura for all women - we've all seen really good looking guys strike out because they're boring. How you make a woman feel is more important than how she sees you. My female friends and roommates always go on and on about some random sexy guy they saw but they didn't even do anything, because it was 100% visual which makes sense for men but women need more than that.

The aura would make them happy, giddy, excited, "up for anything" just by being around the DMSI user. It will draw women into your proximity like a magnet, make them carry more of the conversation, make them come back if they need to leave somewhere, neutralize cock-blockers, and possibly provide a small form of imprint.

Also helpful for situations where sex wouldn't be possible because you 2 are only in the same spot for a few minutes and then have to leave due to other commitments. Public transport, in line for the movies, picking up a package, on your way to work, etc. In those situations sex isn't likely, but a number close and date is.

Thanks too bookstacks for reminding me of this in his last update

(01-13-2017, 10:56 AM)Bookstacks DC737 Wrote: The biggest thing I've observed so far is boredom. People are absolutely bored out of their minds and they're always looking for something to fill in that gap. You don't have to be the most attractive or anything, so long as you give women hope that through you, they can experience some excitement.

The second thing is that leading has a lot less to do with being dominant than I thought. Leading is also just about giving people the opportunity to shine. Extracting people from that habitual space of interacting with people and forcing them to dig a little deeper, think a little more and express themselves fully - rather than whatever character they choose to be during daily life.

It's also why I'm looking forward to the sexual mastery module of 3.1 along with all the other modules. I want to bring people out of their shell when they're around me. As I continue to become more and more free, I want to spread that to everyone around me.

I think boredom is an even bigger issue for women under 30 due to shallow social circles which are rapidly expanding (social media) but true social circles that are meaningful becoming more and more closed off (due to the lack of social skills accelerated by technology).

In any social gathering, people always gravitate towards the fun and if most guys reflect on their hookups they'll see it was a combo of non-neediness, going out just to have fun, and something "just happened" in the spur of the moment with a woman who was attracted to them. Hell the woman probably had more attractive options, but nothing is sexier to women than having a good time and feeling good.

DMSI has non-neediness and attraction handled but I think that "wow every time i'm around this guy I feel amazing and have a blast" factor would kick things way up. It's not too hard to create a happy and fun environment at a party/bar/club but it does require some more advanced social skills and it's not something you can do outside of party-type environments without looking like a total weirdo.

It would be amazing if DMSI can automatically elicit those same emotions just by talking to a woman while standing in line at starbucks or shopping for some shoes. Just sexiness alone can do it (hence women giggle and laugh at everything when attracted) but having those feelings automatically be created by the aura would surely help.

The pheromone equivalent I have in mind is instant shine by androtics

I'd like to see it hit everyone for 3 reasons:

1) its just good karma to make everyone feel good for no reason

2) women travel in groups, stay in groups, and theres usually at least 1 cockblocker whos having a bad day

3) it would help with networking with other people of the same gender

+1 for an aura of masculinity like the one in sm3

+1 for social skills/social confidence

+1 for more dis-inhibition

As for all of the other stuff like growing taller, penis enlargement, weight loss, muscle growth, etc I think it's better for the subliminal to focus on achieving it's goal first and then add all the extra stuff in. Things like that take a lot of energy not to mention time. I'd much rather have any time/energy be focused on 100% on healing and then projecting the aura. Even with steroids most guys will require 2-3 months of heavy training and an optimized diet to gain 15-20 lbs of muscle. After about 18/19 its unlikely that you'll grow more than 1 inch per year unless you hit one last final growth spurt which would happen without subliminals anyways.

Not to mention the fact that's its simply not needed, my gym has a few guys whos dating lives are absolute hell even though they have some amazing physiques. Their problem is they spend all their extra time in the gym and don't go out on fridays/saturdays because it will screw up their macros if they eat/drink anything. They would get laid much more often and with hotter women if they had a beer gut and worked as a bouncer or bartender at a bar/nightclub but instead they swipe on tinder and settle for whichever women are willing to come straight to their house which 90% of the time are the less desirable ones. Sure they get matches with really attractive women too, but they have better options on the table than coming over to some random guys house for netflix and chill. What Bookstacks said above about women seeking fun and escaping boredom is very true.

Speaking of which, social circle manifistation would be a good addition. Until DMSI can reach it's full potential it's highly unlikely that an attractive woman will approach you in a book store or whatever because she's already got 5 attractive guys in her social circle who she can't even decide between. On the other hand, if you were one of those 5 guys and you run into each other at some event then the odds are way higher. Have the social circle geared towards achieving the goals of DMSI. No point in manifesting guys who only hang out at the gym vs. a girl who is a yoga instructor and constantly hears about her fit clients struggling to meet a decent guy or a guy who works as a liaison for a modeling agency and has super models asking him if anyone can show them fun stuff to do in the city....

Wow. +1 For everything quoted, especially the part about getting other people to shine.

Be the spotlight that puts others in a great light and you've got it made. (It's what I did with milf )

(02-01-2017, 05:43 AM)robstar Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 02:39 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: This is pointless. Clearly you guys don't want to give up your crusade. I only hope Shannon can see that there's more going on.

I'll; say again: the only time I've ever succeeded with girls or sales was when I was GIVING A **** about the outcome.

You can quote whatever gurus you want, it won't change my experiences.

Also, DMSI isn't an inner peace sub!! That's E3 and etc's department. Jesus. Go smoke some weed if you want inner peace.

You are just not comprehending. You think you're talking about the same thing and giving examples of when OI didn't work for you, but you're not actually going examples of OI you are giving examples of defeatism and apathy. You even said it yourself "The desire is there but I just don't care to act on it, IE NGAF" yet you don't realise that is NOT what we're talking about. When you are outcome independent you still prefer to succeed than fail, you are focused on the process you still want to act, but you are not INVESTED in one particular outcome. You see the big picture that whether you succeed or fail in one instance is insignificant because you're still improving.

Fair enough, however, I think that the idea of DGAF is triggering my defeatism, which is still enough of a reason to keep it out, or at the very least address the defeatism.

(02-01-2017, 05:53 AM)robstar Wrote: Please read this Sarge: http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2016/05/23/outcome-independent-still-goals-desires/

This is literally exactly what I'm talking about, put into words perfectly.

Yes, I've read this. In fact, I read it a few days ago and immediately my online interactions suffered.

Something about this triggers unattractive states in me or something. I dunno.

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Some more ideas:

- Targets user wants should conform themselves to him/her (values, likes, dislikes, sexual desires/fetishes, etc). Honestly (for us guys), it still seems to me like women get their pick of guys that fit THEIR desires. If a man doesn't fit what the girl is looking for, she'll find a guy that does. This should be reversed.

In line with this, I think someone already mentioned a natural seduction for the target idea, so that the target can better seduce the user.

- forgiveness module should be in real time (if it isn't already) to forgive things as they come up

- Accomplishment/validation upon having sex with the user module should be improved (I nearly forgot about this aspect of DMSI.). Not only as a driver to have sex with the user, but to keep having sex with the user and please him/her sexually.

Conversely, invalidation and lack of accomplishment should increase as long as the target is not having sex with the user, and the target should know this to avoid them searching out other methods of satisfying these needs.

- All interactions between target and user should have the dynamic of target seducing/pleasing user.
In line with the "shine" idea above by bits, targets seducing and having sex with user should reflect favorably upon the target as a testament to their sexiness, ability, socialness, whatever.

- Imperfections in user's personality or physique should make them all the more attractive like a model who has a mole is seen as unique and more beautiful because of it

(02-01-2017, 07:40 AM)robstar Wrote: Fair enough, it doesn't work well for you. But abundance mentality needs to be in dmsi because it does help the majority get results. I think the super-healing will address your defeatism in due time.

(02-01-2017, 07:54 AM)Rayhon Wrote: Make a back up plan for example if the target women or man is unwilling to initiate sex but she might be willing to ask the guy or women using DMSI to hang out sometime...

hanging out leads to sex.

So instead of being either hit or miss there is more opportunities.

Because maybe she isn't able to ask for sex but she is comfortable asking to hang out.

(01-31-2017, 02:59 PM)Bookstacks DC737 Wrote: Maaculinity improvement should definitely be an addition. I think we've all observed that attraction works based on polarity - masculine and feminine.

This could be stated for both men and women as something along the lines of "align to your preferred polarity as much as is needed for maximum sexual irresisitbility" and further statements to have it change according to the women/man you're with.

I think at some level there's even a sort of confusion for me - being this sexy and not being extremely masculine to go along with it.

(02-01-2017, 08:35 AM)myth Wrote: No! Don't mess with my mojo!

Seriously, though, in the way that masculinity works well for some of you with women, androgyny works well for me with women. And has done so for decades. It's not always about polar extremes. Billions of women have billions of individual tastes in men (and/or other women), not one universal one. Plenty of women have chosen me over far more stereotypically masculine options. On purpose.

More to the point, there's already masculinity programming in SM (and AM). Please don't make 3.0.1 the last attraction sub/version that I can actually use because people keep requesting the same bullet points in every sub. AM and SM (and WM) already exist, and, from what I recall, Shannon's said that they'll eventually be getting their own upgrades too.