(04-20-2015, 04:32 PM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:yeah this might be true shanon buts the gender war cannot be stopped you can only choose on which side you want to be

That is false, and based on faulty thinking. The gender war can be "won" by the same means as you would eradicate hate. Hate perpetuates hate, so STOP HATING! This back and forth "women hurt/used me, so I'm going to hurt/use them!" begetting "men hurt/used me so I'm going to hurt/use them!" begetting "women hurt/used me, so I'm going to hurt/use them!" is a never ending carousel of stupidity. You know how you stop a war? You outgrow the thinking that started and perpetuated it. And this one will eventually end, if the species does not eradicate itself first, when people understand that just because you are not me does not mean that you have no value or feelings. By your logic, there would never have been an end to the very first war that was ever fought by humans.

Quote:and pick up works only for poeple who are good in it and does only harm beginners....

Who, then, got to be good at it without ever being a beginner? Pickup harms the beliefs of the person learning it by teaching them to believe things that are not true ("people only have value for what you can get from them", "women are only worth knowing if you get to **** them", "I can disregard the emotions of a person if I get what I want from them, because their only value is in their sex organs and it doesn't matter if I use them for sex and then walk away", "they and their emotions don't matter", "sex is the only valid goal in life", "it does no harm to a person to be used for sex" and "it does no self harm to use others for sex" being some prime examples)

Women by nature feel in connection with sex. They associate it with emotions and emotional bonding. Those who don't are damaged. So with men, but our society has so brainwashed both genders to believe that men have, and should have, no emotions or emotional value or response, that men consistently self damage by having sex carelessly. And they're so in denial because they've so bought the ***** line about having no emotions or not being allowed to express or accept their own emotions that they self repress to the point of not even seeing the damage they do to themselves by having sex carelessly.

Sex for fun is great, and you can do it safely once in a while, but if she's got to be manipulated into doing it, she was resisting more than likely to defend her emotions from the damage they will suffer if she has sex without regard to them. Like you want her to do.

Quote:pick up wont get you love or a girlfriend thats very unlikely to happen pick up will make you good at gettin laid thats it many guys dont understand this... pick up will change you and possible make you unable to love a women or be satisfied with only one women...

If you make "getting laid" your primary goal, you end up with a lot of time spent acting like an animal. No benefit to it but the moment of orgasm, and maybe the street cred you get from others like yourself for being good at manipulating others into having sex with you when they would not have otherwise. It's an empty, valueless activity. Getting laid to get laid is just acting like an animal. It is the primal expression of the genes with no real value, because the results are what? A moment of orgasm? Bragging rights? An STD or a baby? Sex has value as a way of reproducing, and a way of sharing intimacy and bonding emotionally to make a relationship stronger. Otherwise, you're just fooling yourself thinking that having nailed that "10" made any positive difference or mattered at all.

I'm not saying that every time you have sex it has to be the grand end all, be all. I am saying that having your life's goal be to get pussy is a shallow, useless, time wasting goal, taken by itself. It doesn't get you anywhere. It doesn't get you anything. So you ***** a lot of women, so what? So you bedded a lot of "hot girls", so what? At the end of the day, what have you accomplished that you could not have accomplished with your own hands, if the whole point is just ejaculating? Nothing. Instead you've wasted your time and money, and you have nothing of real value to show for it.

You cannot use people for sex alone and really enjoy yourself. Or your life. Or them. And that activity only breeds people who are more and more damaged, cautious, difficult to get, wary, and resentful of the gender who did it because various members of that gender were good enough at manipulation to get them to let their guard down long enough to get used and tossed asside. Then they learn to be wary, harder to get, and they start following the same training you are reading trying to get up on how you did what you did, so they can defend their emotions from you. And then someone has to invent some new technique, and the cycle begins anew.

In the end, you get what out of this? Not a damned thing. Unless maybe you landed yourself an STD or three and maybe a kid.

Sex for fun is great, for an occasional thing. But humans need more than NSA sex.

I have been in your shoes. I did the whole "anything for some pussy" thing. I also know that the best way to get to sex is not PUA.

Quote:look at the real pua masters they have no girlfirend or women at all so choose wisley which way you will go...

You mean they've bought their own BS so much and self damaged so much that they're typically incapable of understanding, appreciating or achieving anything but sex only.

Quote:if i knew this years ago i wouldnt probably learn pick up but now i have to go this way...

Because you're not getting a new chance to make new choices and decisions, every second of every day. Because someone else is controlling your mind, and you're helpless. Right?

Every single second of every day, you can make hatever choices you want to make, and telling yourself otherwise is a cop out that enables you to have an excuse to do something other than what you know is right. Otherwise you wouldn't have to make up lies to yourself such as, "I don't have any choice in the matter."

If you want to do PUA, do PUA. But own your choice. If you disagree, disagree. But own your choice. And understand that you make your choices, and giving away your power with "I can't," and "I have no choice" and the like is ***** thinking designed to excuse your choice to do something you at some level know isn't the right thing to do.

You want unlimited sex? Make yourself a real alpha, own your truth, and then accept nothing less. The women who will fit your needs will naturally be attracted to you. And you'll have all the pussy you could ever enjoy. You CAN have it all, as long as you're strong and courageous enough to decide what you want, go after it and refuse to accept anything else, or anything less. You'd be absolutely amazed what a woman will do when she trusts you enough. And the best way to gain her trust is to be openly honest, own the truth, do what you say you will and say what you will do.

(04-23-2015, 05:46 AM)AfzalG Wrote: edit: ah i understand it means "sich die hörner abstoßen " haha yeah it may be true i dont know, thats how i am perceived all the time i dont see myself like this but it maybe true and i just dont realise it

(04-23-2015, 08:44 AM)Uncle Bob Wrote: Thanks for this. This needed to be said, imho. Maybe something similar can be included in the instructions of AM6/SM3?

(04-23-2015, 08:53 AM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(04-23-2015, 08:44 AM)Uncle Bob Wrote: Thanks for this. This needed to be said, imho. Maybe something similar can be included in the instructions of AM6/SM3?

Do you have something special in mind?

(04-23-2015, 11:19 AM)AfzalG Wrote: so many germans here,

thats your point of you for me no woman is of extraordinary high value, i guess it comes from the suggestion in wm "Changes your perception so that no single specific woman is of extremely high value because of the perception of scarcity..."

i actually like quantity, quality is hard to define and subjective although i had woman that others would say are woman of one's dreams, for example education, status, looks, or if they are rich for example... but deep inside them they are all the same (little girls and bitches)

humans arent that complex there are only 2 drives survival and reproduction

you used sm for attracting high quality women or wife material interesting logic i think wm is a better choice for that

now for example i am not longer interested in girls under 9 or at least 8.5 if she has a nice personality, i realized that the more beautiful woman have a better personality and character too, i used to think its the other way around but its not, having a real ten as a girlfriend ist something really different than having a 7 with a nice personality, the more beautiful the woman the easier it is to take her ***** because you know for what you are doing this


yeah i posted these screen to show the forum members whats possible, sex is the most obvious way to see if a woman likes you

but yeah i maybe a bit nymphomanic i guess, i thought this is normal but comparing to other guys it seems not, i have to say shanons subs made me like this and pick up of course (by removing false values and things that hold me back, religious believes and so on) :angel: i used to be a different type of guy but now its ok for me i cant complain looking forward to go on a gang bang party this or next week :angel:

(04-24-2015, 11:24 AM)AfzalG Wrote: yeah this might be true but i really think it depends on the sort of character you are

me for expample see that hotter girls react more polite and nicely when approched compared to normal or avaregge girls

(04-24-2015, 02:09 PM)K-Train Wrote:

(04-24-2015, 11:24 AM)AfzalG Wrote: yeah this might be true but i really think it depends on the sort of character you are

me for expample see that hotter girls react more polite and nicely when approched compared to normal or avaregge girls

I've definitely noticed this as well. Average/Normal girls have by far given me the worst responses when directly approached. Now to be fair, I rarely get super harsh rejection. Most of my rejection is simply "I'm not interested" or "I'm sorry but I have a boyfriend" and even when they reject me they give me props on being so direct.

Now AfzalG my opinion on the money thing is this. If you have two guys, who are on par as far as game goes, then hell yeah the dude with more loot is going to have the advantage no question.

Where I would say things get dicey is this. Let's say you have a guy who has a fair share of loot but he sucks in bed, is beta, etc. and he dates/marries a chick. If his chick meets a guy who is alpha, has game, and is handling his business under the sheets I would be willing to bet money that the chick is going to be banging that dude on a regular basis behind (or in a cuckhold situation right in front of) her rich boyfriend/husband.

Oh and it's nice to see ya back man.

@Shannon: Definitely agree with everything you said. That's why I'm not a huge of fan of a lot of the indirect PUA stuff. I'm not saying all of the users of indirect game are bad, by no stretch of the imagination. What I am saying is that there is a good deal of manipulative behavior propagated in the Indirect camp much more than the Direct segment of the PUA population (although there's some shady stuff that goes on there as well).

At the same time though guys, can you really blame some of women? I'm not saying what their doing is right of course, but think about it like this. Suppose you had a bunch of women willing to pay you money for sex. Not in a prostitution/Gigolo type deal. I'm talking about willing to buy you drinks for the possibility of sex with you, offering to pay your bills to have sex with you, putting you in positions of power at a company. You can't tell me there isn't going to be some temptation to take those offers.

(04-25-2015, 12:31 AM)Shannon Wrote: I suspect the difference has a lot to do with the country we are each located in, and the locality within our respective countries. German culture and mindset is a lot different than that of the USA, and here, culture and mindset can differ greatly from state to state and city to city within a state. So it may just be that as to why my experiences have been different concerning hot women than yours.

For instance, the city in which I live is very much dominated by closed thinkers. They do what they have always done, and they don't like change. They don't have a real big city mindset, but they want to think of this city as being a big and important city. The result is that we have a lot of soccer-mom-ish women and the night life is virtually non-existent.

Now you travel a couple hours either North or South and you get some good night life in Orlando or West Palm Beach. And if you head West to Tampa, you get one of the porn capitals of Florida, the other being Miami, each four hours away. The mindsets of these latter two cities are much different than even those of WPB or Orlando. It's a free for all and anything goes in Miami and Tampa. Head to Las Vegas, and the mindset is so much further in the anything goes direction that it makes Miami and Orlando look tame. And so on.