(03-31-2013, 06:45 PM)mat422 Wrote: Hey, thanks for the compliment.

It's not exactly approach anxiety. It's more like generalized social anxiety. I've pretty much got anxiety interacting with people in general. If I'm being completely honest I'd say my anxiety is about 7/10. I've come a long way, but it still bothers me a lot. The problem is it's one of those things that I grew up with and I'm sure a lot of others did too. It's hard to get perspective on because it's all I've known. But Shannon's subliminals have been helping out a lot. Mostly just helping me push past the anxiety even if I can't rid myself of it completely at the moment.

I've never been too focused on aesthetics. I'm 6 foot and 160lbs, I've got a decent build, nothing to brag about though. I used to be obsessed with packing on more muscle, but lately I just focus on strength and whatever gains come with that I'm good with. But yeah I completely agree with you that girls appreciate a good physique. Looking good can boost your confidence quite a bit. But keep in mind some girls like chubbier guys, skinnier guys, shorter guys, etc. Girls are just as diverse in their taste as men.

Congrats on the success with the ASC sub. That subliminal is incredibly powerful. I'm glad things are working out for you. My favorite part of these subliminals is when you are smooth or confident without even trying. Best feeling in the world. You sound like you know what you're doing, keep it up!

(04-01-2013, 03:54 AM)IronSmooth Wrote: Thanks brother, I did my homework on body language leepy:
If you havent already, you should, since human communication consists of 93 percent body language and paralinguistic cues and only around 7 with words. Some say its 60-70 not 93 but still most of it.

(04-01-2013, 07:56 AM)Sean Wrote:

(04-01-2013, 03:54 AM)IronSmooth Wrote: Thanks brother, I did my homework on body language leepy:
If you havent already, you should, since human communication consists of 93 percent body language and paralinguistic cues and only around 7 with words. Some say its 60-70 not 93 but still most of it.

IS, what do you recommend reading on this?

(04-01-2013, 03:54 AM)IronSmooth Wrote:

(03-31-2013, 06:45 PM)mat422 Wrote: Hey, thanks for the compliment.

It's not exactly approach anxiety. It's more like generalized social anxiety. I've pretty much got anxiety interacting with people in general. If I'm being completely honest I'd say my anxiety is about 7/10. I've come a long way, but it still bothers me a lot. The problem is it's one of those things that I grew up with and I'm sure a lot of others did too. It's hard to get perspective on because it's all I've known. But Shannon's subliminals have been helping out a lot. Mostly just helping me push past the anxiety even if I can't rid myself of it completely at the moment.

I've never been too focused on aesthetics. I'm 6 foot and 160lbs, I've got a decent build, nothing to brag about though. I used to be obsessed with packing on more muscle, but lately I just focus on strength and whatever gains come with that I'm good with. But yeah I completely agree with you that girls appreciate a good physique. Looking good can boost your confidence quite a bit. But keep in mind some girls like chubbier guys, skinnier guys, shorter guys, etc. Girls are just as diverse in their taste as men.

Congrats on the success with the ASC sub. That subliminal is incredibly powerful. I'm glad things are working out for you. My favorite part of these subliminals is when you are smooth or confident without even trying. Best feeling in the world. You sound like you know what you're doing, keep it up!

Thanks brother, I did my homework on body language leepy:
If you havent already, you should, since human communication consists of 93 percent body language and paralinguistic cues and only around 7 with words. Some say its 60-70 not 93 but still most of it.

I guess i just like them fit girls.
And most of them at the gym love muscle so basically im doing what i love most and attracting my kind of girls, win win lol

Have you done Asc or any confidence subs? Sorry if you did AM maybe or something, its just ive been reading every single log for fun and i forget who did what sub lol.
If you did do AM or any other confidence sub, did they help your anxiety?

Im going to do Overcome Approach Anxiety sub after asc.
Shannon pointed me to that direction because one of my weakest points is i dont know how to banter for too long, never found it to be enjoyable or useful, but it is useful for building rapport and the sub should help.
Ever thought of trying that one out? The script is HUGE, it should make you enjoy talking and starting conversations easy, Shannon even added the whole OFGS album to it

(03-31-2013, 06:45 PM)mat422 Wrote: Yeah body language is pretty important for understanding cues. But I used to study that stuff, it just got me caught up in my head more. Here's my theory anyway. All those body language studying tips are valuable, but they miss the point. Body language is usually the result of subconscious thoughts or feelings, that means that these things will also register in your own subconscious mind when you see them from someone else. An example would be walking by a shady character, maybe you feel uneasy but you can't put your finger on why. That's just your subconscious reading him and giving you feedback on a deeper level. I think guys actually need to be less in their heads and more in tune with their gut feelings when it comes to interactions. But that could be because I'm more of a "feeler". Whereas some guys may be more visual. It's all about understanding how you operate and going from there. I think doubt is something that can screw with that intuitive feeling. To me a natural with women is someone that trusts their impulses and has the confidence to take action on them. But I always just say use what works for you, everyone is different.

Definitely a win win. But remember that looks are only so much. You may think these are your types of girls, but they could be hiding something underneath that beautiful exterior. Of course you probably know all about that.

I'll list what subs I've done. I've done disconnect from negativity within 3G, remove negativity within 4G, ASC 4G, ASC 5G, Alpha male 2011 twice, Overcome fear for about 2 months, and now I'm listening to overcome guilt shame and fear which has been about 3 months? I think, not too sure. All of these things combined have helped me grow as a person, not just the anxiety. But yeah, the anxiety was helped a lot from these subs. I think some people who use these subs see them as a bonus or addition to their life. I can honestly say I needed them. Without any of these I really don't know where I would be. Despite still feeling like I'm dealing with these problems, it's a lot better than how I used to be. It's slow and gradual change, but it's there. I don't want to say that I'm different than everyone else, but I've got a lot of stuff that needs to be worked out.

Never really considered the approach anxiety sub. Seems interesting, but women are the furthest thing from my mind right now haha. I'll keep it in my mind.

(04-03-2013, 02:26 PM)IronSmooth Wrote:

(03-31-2013, 06:45 PM)mat422 Wrote: Yeah body language is pretty important for understanding cues. But I used to study that stuff, it just got me caught up in my head more. Here's my theory anyway. All those body language studying tips are valuable, but they miss the point. Body language is usually the result of subconscious thoughts or feelings, that means that these things will also register in your own subconscious mind when you see them from someone else. An example would be walking by a shady character, maybe you feel uneasy but you can't put your finger on why. That's just your subconscious reading him and giving you feedback on a deeper level. I think guys actually need to be less in their heads and more in tune with their gut feelings when it comes to interactions. But that could be because I'm more of a "feeler". Whereas some guys may be more visual. It's all about understanding how you operate and going from there. I think doubt is something that can screw with that intuitive feeling. To me a natural with women is someone that trusts their impulses and has the confidence to take action on them. But I always just say use what works for you, everyone is different.

Definitely a win win. But remember that looks are only so much. You may think these are your types of girls, but they could be hiding something underneath that beautiful exterior. Of course you probably know all about that.

I'll list what subs I've done. I've done disconnect from negativity within 3G, remove negativity within 4G, ASC 4G, ASC 5G, Alpha male 2011 twice, Overcome fear for about 2 months, and now I'm listening to overcome guilt shame and fear which has been about 3 months? I think, not too sure. All of these things combined have helped me grow as a person, not just the anxiety. But yeah, the anxiety was helped a lot from these subs. I think some people who use these subs see them as a bonus or addition to their life. I can honestly say I needed them. Without any of these I really don't know where I would be. Despite still feeling like I'm dealing with these problems, it's a lot better than how I used to be. It's slow and gradual change, but it's there. I don't want to say that I'm different than everyone else, but I've got a lot of stuff that needs to be worked out.

Never really considered the approach anxiety sub. Seems interesting, but women are the furthest thing from my mind right now haha. I'll keep it in my mind.

You got a point of course, if you're focused on just life there would be no reason to use alpha male body language around people. No one to impress anyway lol.
But its like this, at first you study the body language, then you apply it one by one, and eventually you do it subconsciously and you need not worry about it. At first it will be tough, but it gets easier.
But like you said, if you're not trying to impress the ladies then theres no need. I still have to get use to the fact that not everyone on this site is after the girls lol.
See naturals have the ability to get girls easier. The rest of us have to learn those techniques from them. There are alpha male naturals and there are normal naturals. The Naturals shine during conversation and the approach. The Alpha Male naturals are different, they have this magnetism that draws everyone to them, not just girls. They look like they own the place when they are walking by, or even sitting at the bar. And THAT is exactly what is good to teach yourself, the ability to look like you are better than anyone there, without looking like you are trying. Movie star status, famous person status, someone important status, while being just you. Cant get much better than that

Looks like you did do some subs haha. I see your point, and im glad they helped you. You're right about the bonus thing, but the confidence sub, this sub that im on right now, if i didnt discover this sub and use it, i would still be the person who felt very uneasy to talk to anyone, even family. There was this deep feeling of unrest every time i talked to anyone. Made me just want to stay at home and not go out, and if i did i hated talking to people, even friends, but i had to do it and make it seem enjoyable because no one likes a quiet person. I can happily say now that the feeling of unrest during conversation is completely gone, 21 days into Asc! I still dont WANT to talk to people all the time, but there have definitely been occasions where i actually wanted to talk to the same person again after we just finished conversation. And thats a big step for me. In the end i want to love talking to people, that would help at work, at home, and the bonus is it would help with the ladies.
Hopefully the Anxiety sub will help some more. But for now i continue with Asc to make it permanent.
What are you doing overcome fear for exactly? Hows that been going for the past few days?

What is your goal in life right now bro?

(03-31-2013, 06:45 PM)mat422 Wrote: Don't get me wrong I'd like some women in my life. But as of right now I feel like it would be more of a distraction. I'm trying to really build myself up more and get my life sorted out.

If you haven't run through alpha yet you'll pretty much give off that magnetic vibe. There's definitely a huge difference between learning about how an alpha male behaves and looks vs being that alpha male and doing it all automatically. It's actually been a while since I ran alpha male, but when I felt that, it's really empowering to know on a subconscious level.

Wow, you made some huge improvements with that sub. I'm kind of jealous haha. I don't know if you've heard Shannon talk about resistance and stuff, but I tend to be highly resistant to subliminals, so change comes a bit slower for me. But man, 21 days and you feel that good is great.

I'm using the overcome fear sub to just overcome fear I guess haha. It's like an invisible barrier that keeps me in place. For some reason pushing past my boundaries or comfort zone never resulted in changes for me. Sometimes it even made things worse. So I'm trying to destroy that fear inside of me so I can actually live my life. It's definitely been rough with this sub, but I feel like I'm moving away from the fear more and more.

My career aspirations are on hold. I'm just trying to find any sort of job to support myself and move on from there. I'm a bit of a wandering soul, not really knowing where to go in life and just searching for some answers. I've just had a lot on my mind so it's been overwhelming and I feel like some of my judgement has been clouded. I guess my goal is more self growth because from there I find that a lot more paths open up in my own life that I couldn't see before. Sorry for the vague answer haha, but I'm not exactly sure of my path in life.

(04-04-2013, 02:08 AM)IronSmooth Wrote:

(03-31-2013, 06:45 PM)mat422 Wrote: Don't get me wrong I'd like some women in my life. But as of right now I feel like it would be more of a distraction. I'm trying to really build myself up more and get my life sorted out.

If you haven't run through alpha yet you'll pretty much give off that magnetic vibe. There's definitely a huge difference between learning about how an alpha male behaves and looks vs being that alpha male and doing it all automatically. It's actually been a while since I ran alpha male, but when I felt that, it's really empowering to know on a subconscious level.

Wow, you made some huge improvements with that sub. I'm kind of jealous haha. I don't know if you've heard Shannon talk about resistance and stuff, but I tend to be highly resistant to subliminals, so change comes a bit slower for me. But man, 21 days and you feel that good is great.

I'm using the overcome fear sub to just overcome fear I guess haha. It's like an invisible barrier that keeps me in place. For some reason pushing past my boundaries or comfort zone never resulted in changes for me. Sometimes it even made things worse. So I'm trying to destroy that fear inside of me so I can actually live my life. It's definitely been rough with this sub, but I feel like I'm moving away from the fear more and more.

My career aspirations are on hold. I'm just trying to find any sort of job to support myself and move on from there. I'm a bit of a wandering soul, not really knowing where to go in life and just searching for some answers. I've just had a lot on my mind so it's been overwhelming and I feel like some of my judgement has been clouded. I guess my goal is more self growth because from there I find that a lot more paths open up in my own life that I couldn't see before. Sorry for the vague answer haha, but I'm not exactly sure of my path in life.

I know exactly what you mean, relationship is a distraction until everything else is in order.
But i just recently thought about it, and if i start thinking like that, then im going to be ready for a relationship somewhere around 30 years old. Thats when the career will be in full swing and everything.
But thats just missing out on your youth, i changed my thinking because of that. I use to think like you think but i realized i dont want to miss out on dating 18-23 year olds you know? Every age has its pluses and i dont want to be 30 and only be able to date 25 year olds at the youngest, that would make me real sad. I want to have my share of every age.
In the end all you have is memories.
Dont you think it would be sad to miss out on girls your age, years down the road? Heartbreaking for me, that was an epiphany for me, i stopped thinking i would wait until everything is perfect and just live in the moment. The next day i went to the gym with that attitude, "i want a girl now", i met this pretty young thing because i noticed she was staring me down non stop,and that when things started to change, i made myself approachable and just met new girls, disregarding financial status. Before the epiphany i was single for 3 years because i though like that. Bro your life will never be perfect, work with what you have
Of course run through OF a couple times first lol. Just in case.

I think of it like this, if you read up on Alpha Males and know how to be one EXACTLY, study it to the detail, then when you run the Alpha Male sub, your subconscious will know exactly what to change to the detail. If you kind of know what it means, the results wont be as pronounced. Same with confidence and everything else. I read up exactly what it means to be confident, not just what i know. It definitely helped.
Could be one of the reasons why i respond so well to Asc, i did have some resistance a week into it but it cleared at the end of week 2.
At one point about 10 days in, i had alot of negative thinking coming out, what was wrong with me exactly and how i have to change it, it was so bad all that had to happen is one person doing some gesture, and that would make me so unconfident for the rest of the day it was crazy.
The negative things that were brought up, helped me realize what i had to change exactly. Small talk had to be improved, etc.

Im giving this sub all i could, listening to 8-10 hours ultrasonic during sleep, and another 6-8 hours on headphones masked. Sometimes i listen to so much i feel like throwing up, so i rest a few hours lol, my brain is working its ass of these days haha i will keep pushing it. Up it to 16 hours if you can, it helps alot.

Yea pushing through boundaries is not my thing either, i cant do it that way. Unless i really have to.
Wow i didnt know it was like that. I have some fear of work, kind of fear where you wonder if you're gonna make it out there. Hard to go to work sometimes.
Would you say you are half way there to remove all fear? At this rate, how many months would you say that will take?

Did you ever want to get a degree in college? Im currently going but i have no clue which career path to take. I was going to be a pharmacist, but realized it was a boring job. Law school sucks. The fire academy has a HUGE line, thousands of people waiting for work. Hospitals are not my cup of tea. I would hate to spend my life there. Dont know what to do, i want to enjoy my job even if it doesnt pay much. So far i found nothing that would pay the bills and support a family while loving to go do that job. Life huh.