(07-25-2013, 02:19 PM)ohmygee Wrote: Disagree all you want. Of course everyone has different goals, but when you say that you havent had sex in a while its not the sub fault per say. The sub isnt working because you're not allowing it to work. Get yourself infront of more females and get dates.

if you have no females in your life and not enough experience at getting your goal (sex). You need to work on what comes before sex, thats why I recommend WM2.

(07-25-2013, 06:31 PM)ohmygee Wrote: Lets eliminate subs to make this choice easier. Since AM6/SM3 arn't built yet, their out. Since AM5 is the mandatory foundation for WM2 or SM2, its out.

(07-25-2013, 06:31 PM)ohmygee Wrote: Now if you read the product description both products are essentially the same on the SURFACE. The key difference being SM2 is more sexually agressive, and WM2 is more social/flirty, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Now I say "on the surface", just because it says it on the sales page one thing doesn't mean its how you'll be when you finish the set. I'm speaking fro experience, and I know many people on the forum have noticed the same thing. Does it mean the sub is bad? No. It just means its jam packed, and you'll likely not receive the full benefits in one run. Thats why its constantly preached to guys that run AMx subs they'll have to run it 2-3x.

(07-25-2013, 06:31 PM)ohmygee Wrote: Also WM2 is 5G, and SM2 is 4G. WM2 has a sh*t TON more "features" then SM2!

(07-25-2013, 06:31 PM)ohmygee Wrote: WM2 is a superior product by far. Until SM3 is released, and there are a couple journals. If sex is the goal WM2 is the way to go.

(07-25-2013, 06:31 PM)ohmygee Wrote: I'm not just speaking from assumptions, I'm also basing this off of someone I know who ALSO got zero results from SM2. This isn't the person I'm refering too in post #41, that person ran SM2 twice, and got results the second time. But regardless he's constantly going out and approaching girls, he puts in the numbers. With or without SM2 I'm sure he'd get poon.

(07-25-2013, 06:31 PM)ohmygee Wrote: As for the guy that ran SM2 and got no lays. He then ran WM2 after AM5 and went on to have quite a few lays, and no approach anxiety. He calls it social freedom. I know for a fact my friend on SM2 does not have social freedom. He's comfortable in environments, but he likely still has anxiety.

(07-25-2013, 06:31 PM)ohmygee Wrote: Everything I've said isn't based off theory, its what I've experienced and seen in real life.

(07-25-2013, 04:08 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(07-25-2013, 02:19 PM)ohmygee Wrote: Disagree all you want. Of course everyone has different goals, but when you say that you havent had sex in a while its not the sub fault per say. The sub isnt working because you're not allowing it to work. Get yourself infront of more females and get dates.

if you have no females in your life and not enough experience at getting your goal (sex). You need to work on what comes before sex, thats why I recommend WM2.

This is an interesting theory, but I wonder if it's sound. Sex Magnet 2 is supposed to incorporate programming to assist virgins/inexperienced men (like myself) and was one of the reasons I wanted to go straight for it. But if what you say is the case, WM2 would definitely be the better choice.

I pose the question to Shannon:

If a man doesn't have women in his life and wants to be able to go out, meet, make friends with, and have sex with women starting from a place of absolute zero, which would be the better program to run?

SM2, WM2, SM3, AM5/6 etc?

(07-25-2013, 06:31 PM)ohmygee Wrote:

(07-25-2013, 04:08 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: This is an interesting theory, but I wonder if it's sound. Sex Magnet 2 is supposed to incorporate programming to assist virgins/inexperienced men (like myself) and was one of the reasons I wanted to go straight for it. But if what you say is the case, WM2 would definitely be the better choice.

I pose the question to Shannon:

If a man doesn't have women in his life and wants to be able to go out, meet, make friends with, and have sex with women starting from a place of absolute zero, which would be the better program to run?

SM2, WM2, SM3, AM5/6 etc?

Lets eliminate subs to make this choice easier. Since AM6/SM3 arn't built yet, their out. Since AM5 is the mandatory foundation for WM2 or SM2, its out.

Now if you read the product description both products are essentially the same on the SURFACE. The key difference being SM2 is more sexually agressive, and WM2 is more social/flirty, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Now I say "on the surface", just because it says it on the sales page one thing doesn't mean its how you'll be when you finish the set. I'm speaking fro experience, and I know many people on the forum have noticed the same thing. Does it mean the sub is bad? No. It just means its jam packed, and you'll likely not receive the full benefits in one run. Thats why its constantly preached to guys that run AMx subs they'll have to run it 2-3x.

Also WM2 is 5G, and SM2 is 4G. WM2 has a sh*t TON more "features" then SM2! WM2 is a superior product by far. Until SM3 is released, and there are a couple journals. If sex is the goal WM2 is the way to go. I'm not just speaking from assumptions, I'm also basing this off of someone I know who ALSO got zero results from SM2. This isn't the person I'm refering too in post #41, that person ran SM2 twice, and got results the second time. But regardless he's constantly going out and approaching girls, he puts in the numbers. With or without SM2 I'm sure he'd get poon.

As for the guy that ran SM2 and got no lays. He then ran WM2 after AM5 and went on to have quite a few lays, and no approach anxiety. He calls it social freedom. I know for a fact my friend on SM2 does not have social freedom. He's comfortable in environments, but he likely still has anxiety.

Everything I've said isn't based off theory, its what I've experienced and seen in real life.

(07-25-2013, 05:30 PM)jamboree Wrote: I'm not blaming the sub. If I blamed the sub, I definitely would not be doing reruns of it. I am doing reruns because I still think it can work.

Why are you expecting hocus pocus results? Stop thinking the sub will work, and work the sub. Take action. Cold approach women like crazy. Work the numbers. You've got something backing you that will support you mentally, yet you go out and "meet" women. The definition of SM2 is to be sexually aggressive, so start being sexually agressive. You SHOULD be touching women when you talk to them. This isn't some BS kino escalation ladder. This is real, if girls let you touch them, your in. If they don't want to be touched move on. BE SEXUALLY AGGRESSIVE. Please don't tell me you are, otherwise you'd have been laid by now.

(07-25-2013, 05:30 PM)jamboree Wrote: Meaning I have to overcome a lot more internally than others. I think you and I are on the same page on that point.

If you think you have a lot more internally to overcome then others, then you do. If you don't think you do, then you don't. If what you're say its true then you should be running OGFS. I think its all in your head. But we won't discuss that, thats for you to "overcome".

(07-25-2013, 05:30 PM)jamboree Wrote: Tackling some of your assumptions, I have plenty of experience. I am out and about meeting women here and there. But the difference in this past weekend was that there was that hint of obvious attraction which I had not seen since AM2011.

I saw attraction in AM11, SM2, & AM5. Not to be arrogent maybe I'm just more attractive, or maybe I just put more effort into my physical appearance. Not something I'll reveal with photos because of my tattoos. Back to my post about being unable to judge you fully online. Looks are important. Maximize what you've got, go to the gym, get good fashion sense. I know a LOT of guys THINK they got this stuff down. THINK they've got attraction.

Stop worrying about superficial unmeasurable things such as attraction, start being sexually aggressive, and getting the results you're looking for.

(07-25-2013, 10:26 PM)TheGraduate Wrote: Not sure which program is better but one thing that I know is true is that you can use a sub to push you in the direction of your goal, but you better have a real life action plan otherwise you ain't going anywhere.

(07-25-2013, 07:54 PM)ohmygee Wrote: Both subjects only approach girls at clubs.

Guy 1 - Indian, musclar build, dominant/aggresive personality.

Guy 1 did AM11 > SM2 > (no subs for ~6 months) > SM2. Guy 1 always has some sort of substance in his system when at clubs, alcohol, MDMA, phenibut, a combination of the 3. Guy 1 has never been approached when I've been with him. I HATE his style of "game". Goes up to a girl, introduces himself, stays in the ineraction for a few seconds, leaves. He thinks it benefits him by doing so, because if she see's him again she'll be more interested in him, or some stupid mental masturbation along those lines. I'm sure he had a lucky experience that cemented this style of game in him as successful. I dont approve.

He goes clubbing 1-2x a week.

2 girls in his social circle have slept with him but it took them a long time to get him at the right moment before making a move. Lay count unknown.

He still has anxiety even though he probably wouldn't admit it. His life is on hold, all he does is party right now. Honestly, he's my best friend and I'm disappointed with how he's using his time right now. But thats not my decision, so I bite my tongue.

Guy 2 - White, lean athletic build, passive personality.

Guy 2 did AM11 > SM2 > AM5 > WM2. Guy 2 is usually sober. He got laid his first night of WM2 from a girl that approached him. He's constantly approaching, staying in interactions, and escalating.

75% he's had sex at the females house, 25% his house. He's proved to me that logistics arn't as important as I believed. Its still helps a lot though. He goes clubbing 2-3x a week.

He says he has social freedom, and by the amount of girls I think he's slept with. I believe him.

Conclusion, if you have the option do WM2 over SM2.

(07-26-2013, 05:57 AM)Joronda Wrote: Guy one is using part of the "double your dating" techniques of picking up women, but he needs to e-mail and get phone numbers so he can ring a couple of days later and invite her to meet him somewhere for a coffee.

There is merit in walking up to lots of women and starting a conversation so that you lose your shyness, but at some point you need to go to the next level if you are serious at getting regular sex.

A woman can feel a bit rejected and wonder what she did wrong, if a guy does not follow through and let her know he would like to see her again.

A lot of women go clubbing, hoping they meet someone who wants a long term friendship. It's up to guy to make it clear that he has enjoyed talking to her, and would like to get to know her better. If she gives him her e-mail and phone number, then usually she wants him to ring her within a week. She will go out with someone else if he doesn't get around to it.

If she does not like him, she may give him a false e-mail address or phone number.

(07-27-2013, 12:06 AM)TheGraduate Wrote: Just curious, is anyone actually going out and trying things? I see a ton of pontification going on but very little write ups about action, what was learned about your actions, and keeping oneself honest as to why or how you might have been avoiding a particular action. In other words, facing oneself.

I just see a lot of sophisticated avoidance techniques.