(07-11-2016, 07:00 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(07-11-2016, 06:49 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(07-11-2016, 06:36 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(07-11-2016, 05:52 AM)Shannon Wrote: Sarge is apparentlydoomed to suffer the limits of his faulty beliefs instead.

Lol. If you can explain why women go nuts for me when I hate them, but don't pay any attention to me whatsoever when I'm tolerant,m understanding, empathic, and all those other "good" things, that'd be great. Otherwise I'll keep moving towards the good reactions rather than the "good" behavior.

Women don't go nuts for you when you do the negativity thing. Damaged women do. The ones with emotional damage from guys who treated them like shit, who they couldn't distinguish from "alpha". Which hurt them, and somehow makes them think that's what they deserve. Which they then seek out again.

Healthy women don't put up with that shit for the blink of an eye.

So by being an asshole, you attract women who are damaged, and that perpetuates your need to be an asshole. It might get your dick wet sometimes, but you'll never find a woman you can really be happy with that way.

Getting "all lovey dovey" isn't the natural end result of the programming I am putting in this program. It frees you of your own self imposed limits based on past traumas. If you feel like being lovey dovey, that's your choice. Or, if you feel like being more masculine, that's your choice too. You're misunderstanding what the clearing scripting is doing. Assuming it makes you "lovey dovey" and "weak". The fact is, it is taking the handcuffs off you and the leg irons you're wearing right now, but probably don't even know it, because you got so used to them you think they're "normal". What you do from there is up to you.

But if you want to keep going in the direction of negativity, have fun. Eventually, though, you're going to get tired of the self inflicted suffering, and have to change something. Might take someone as boneheaded as you are years, even decades, but it always plays out the way I say it will. I have had more than a few friends and students just like you. In fact you remind me so much of my friend Dave that it's scary. Took him 2 decades and having a kid to finally start getting it. Hope it doesn't take you that long.

I don't see myself as going in a negative direction. Things are on an upswing. I'm learning more about myself and people than ever before, and I'm valuing myself for once in my life. All good things.

I lived the "love others" lifestyle for 23ish years. Never got me anywhere. Now maybe I'm surrounded by damaged people, who knows. But fighting against reality doesn't change reality. And until I can move and find this magical place full of healthy people, I have to do what I can to survive. I doubt a healthy person would fault me for doing what I think is right.

Besides, it's not like what I'm doing harms anyone. I just need to figure out how to be a positive influence. I try to make a difference with my sales job, you know, only recommend things to people if they really need it. It's a start.

(07-11-2016, 07:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: Only it does do harm. Just because you're not experienced enough to see it, doesn't mean it does no harm. Anger and hate are, let me repeat this for the 30 millionth time, SELF DESTRUCTIVE. The wise man therefore seeks to extinguish and outgrow them within himself.

And, they are damaging for those people you project them at and express them to.

And, they perpetuate the cycle of negativity that made the woman attracted to them in the first place. In other words, you are helping her stay damaged, if not increasing her emotional damage.

(07-11-2016, 07:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: And, such damaged women, again, cannot have normal healthy relationships. Meaning you will only get sex and drama, and believe me, the sex isn't worth the drama.

(07-11-2016, 07:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: You are just like Dave. Well, Dave... you're going to do this your way. Just remember, down the road a ways, when you do eventually get it, what I said. And then think back and realize how much of your life you could have spent doing something other than learning what I already told you, because you had to do it your way instead of listen to someone who's been there and done that. Or something other than ***** drama queens who made you even more miserable because they were damaged. God help you if you have a kid with one of 'em... my friend Shawn - also just like you - can tell you about that one.

(07-11-2016, 07:34 AM)Shannon Wrote: "and I now refuse to allow myself to ever be mistreated again".

That's in the scripting I was adding. Sarge.

(07-11-2016, 07:34 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(07-11-2016, 07:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: Only it does do harm. Just because you're not experienced enough to see it, doesn't mean it does no harm. Anger and hate are, let me repeat this for the 30 millionth time, SELF DESTRUCTIVE. The wise man therefore seeks to extinguish and outgrow them within himself.

And, they are damaging for those people you project them at and express them to.

And, they perpetuate the cycle of negativity that made the woman attracted to them in the first place. In other words, you are helping her stay damaged, if not increasing her emotional damage.

This is all debatable.

First of all, I'm not a very angry guy. I believe I've said before that I'm TRYING to get in touch with my anger because women respond well to me when I'm like that. It has been my recent discovery that women ONLY respond to me when I'm angry or hateful.

If there ARE women who respond to me when I'm not angry, hateful, or spiteful I've yet to find one. So I just can't believe you on that. The good news on that is: until I figure out how to embrace my anger, I'm a walking zen machine, so if women DO respond to that, we'll see won't we.

Second, any woman who falls for me when I'm angry will fall for another guy who is angry. The only thing I'm doing by removing myself from the situation is, well, removing myself from the situation. I might as well cut my dick off and go monk if that's all it leads to.

(07-11-2016, 07:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: And, such damaged women, again, cannot have normal healthy relationships. Meaning you will only get sex and drama, and believe me, the sex isn't worth the drama.

I'm confident in Blackdragon's principles to manage drama.

(07-11-2016, 07:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: You are just like Dave. Well, Dave... you're going to do this your way. Just remember, down the road a ways, when you do eventually get it, what I said. And then think back and realize how much of your life you could have spent doing something other than learning what I already told you, because you had to do it your way instead of listen to someone who's been there and done that. Or something other than ***** drama queens who made you even more miserable because they were damaged. God help you if you have a kid with one of 'em... my friend Shawn - also just like you - can tell you about that one.

Love the scare tactics.

Look, it's simple: do what works. That's my philosophy. If what you say works, well, then it does. But I've yet to see any evidence of it. Sorry, but if the universe really works that way, it would be working that way, wouldn't it?

(07-11-2016, 07:42 AM)Shannon Wrote: I'm not using scare tactics. I'm telling you what I wish someone had told me when I was in your shoes. And what I wish Dave and Shawn and all the rest had listened to when I tried to help them. I don't need to help you, you're welcome to all the suffering you want. I just don't like seeing people suffer needlessly.

You do what you think works. But your level of understanding is making things seem to be different than they actually are.

You won't believe me for a long time, if you follow in the footsteps of Dave and Shawn. And that's exactly what you're doing, but hey. Some people need to learn the hard way.

(07-11-2016, 07:51 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(07-11-2016, 07:42 AM)Shannon Wrote: I'm not using scare tactics. I'm telling you what I wish someone had told me when I was in your shoes. And what I wish Dave and Shawn and all the rest had listened to when I tried to help them. I don't need to help you, you're welcome to all the suffering you want. I just don't like seeing people suffer needlessly.

You do what you think works. But your level of understanding is making things seem to be different than they actually are.

You won't believe me for a long time, if you follow in the footsteps of Dave and Shawn. And that's exactly what you're doing, but hey. Some people need to learn the hard way.

Why don't women like me when I'm calm and content then? If that works, sign me up. I just haven't seen it. What should I look for?

I'm serious. I don't want to be angry (it's not my default) so the less energy I have to spend the better. But why is it the only thing that works?

(07-11-2016, 07:58 AM)kenpachi Wrote: I think it's a semantics thing. What you call "anger" in your brain might be what others think of "masculine energy" or "assertiveness" in theirs.

This is the drawback of using words to explain something - words are just signs to help point you toward a destination, but they aren't the destination itself. You just have to find what works for you through experiences and take on what other people say while remembering their meanings of certain words might be different to your own.

Like when you say "calm and content", your version of this is different from Shannon's, and that's why you aren't getting the same results as he does.