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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 09-28-2018
(09-28-2018, 12:30 PM)CatMan Wrote: I was mentioned, so I guess I need to post now.
Right. So basically, you're saying that the girls I wanted, actually wanted me all along somehow, and my "fear blinded me to that". Well that's weird, because their actions and words said the exact opposite.
Totally not what I was saying. I said you are guilty of revisionist history. You get a result, and then a day or so later, say nothing happened.
Quote:That's why I got rejected or treated like trash by them. Even some saying point blank they weren't attracted to me were also apparently attracted. Because in another thread you said people generally respond to attraction with attraction. Of course, if that was actual reality...we wouldn't even NEED DMSI obviously.
If it wasn't true, they wouldn't teach that as a basic method of getting dates. People generally respond to attraction with attraction, but that is not always going to be the case. You have a taste for women you consider exceptionally beautiful, and those women are going to be very attractive to the majority of men. They will be getting a lot of attraction signals from a lot of men. The more such signals they get, and the more interest they get, the more selective they can - and must - be. They learn to select the men who display the best signs of having high value.
You are apparently doing something that is turning them off, pushing them away, and/or preventing them from being interested. And since you are doing this even through several versions of DMSI, and practicing revisionist history, we have to conclude that whatever it is you are doing is most likely at least subconscious if not conscious also, and quite intentional.
So for you, the most likely scenario is that consciously you are doing what you believe will generate attraction, but subconsciously you are doing the reverse. And as that must be intentional, and in spite of DMSI, we can conclude that it is based on fear of success in that direction, which would itself be based on beliefs that are resulting in the reality you are experiencing, which you obviously prefer to the alternative.
Signalling attraction has to be done congruently (which it seems likely that you are not doing) and it has to be done with the understanding that not everyone will be attracted in return.
Quote:And Jessica Alba would be attracted to most of the men in the world, lol.
Your style of "logic" here is strongly suggestive of why you are having these issues.
Quote:Or also that I'm "denying" they wanted me for some random reason, I guess lying about it all.
According to your own reports, there were results that you got that indicated interest from at least some of them. Then, every time, a day or two or three later, you were back to either silence on things that should have been followed up on ([reference removed] woman, for example) or simply denying what you yourself reported.
I don't know if you're lying, but you are certainly in denial.
Quote:Or that I had sex or whatever with them all, but "blinded" myself to all of it and don't recall any of it.
I don't know if you had sex with any of them.
Quote:You've spoke often of me allegedly "denying" all these amazing results DMSI is giving me that I can't recall at all.
Let's clear something up. I never said your results were "amazing". But you did report results. And like clockwork, every time you did, they somehow ceased to exist a few days later. So what I see is someone who is so afraid of success that his subconscious (or maybe this is conscious?) is literally in denial of reality. That would be why you can't recall the results you reported. You deny they were results, claim they meant nothing, say they weren't "really" results, and then try to put words in my mouth to change what I said to fit your revisionist history.
In other words, you are lying to yourself to keep yourself where you are at any and all costs.
You're even shutting down your own interest in women to hide from DMSI so it can't fire up the aura and succeed.
Quote:I can recall of no amazing results I've had on this. But then again, I'm probably just blinded to it so don't take my word for it.
So what ever did happen with that woman who was wanting so badly to [reference removed] and such?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 09-28-2018
(09-28-2018, 01:52 PM)CatMan Wrote:(09-28-2018, 01:47 PM)samba99 Wrote: Catman,
I think what Shannon meant is your deep fears what prevented you from achieving DMSI goals.
Therefore if you execute DMSI, you will get the girls you want.
Hi Samba,
We'll see if that happens. Like I've said before, I'm so glad that I have nowhere near as much fixation on girls as long ago. This constant failure doesn't bother me nearly as much anymore. Chasing them and obsessing over them seems to have been such a massive waste of time for me. I'm much more worried about this crisis at my second company, fixing that, rather than continuing to chase girls for zero ROI. I do know I'm vastly less interested in pursuing anything anymore. Maybe that's some IDGAF outcome independence, or some kind of sense of futility, who knows.
It's your way of sabotaging DMSI.
Quote:I just get irritated with this backwards notion that I'm "denying" these awesome results I'm apparently getting meanwhile I've been snubbed constantly. So I needed to speak up.
It irritates me when you try to deny and revise history and then put words in my mouth to fit your denials. So I need to speak up.
Quote:I meant nothing bad or troll etc. with my words. Probably a bit strong, but I didn't mean anything bad. Just wanted to be truthful.
I'd suggest you be truthful to yourself first.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - blth - 09-28-2018
Are you planning to include the high on life effect that is in uslm in dmsi 3.3?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 09-28-2018
(09-28-2018, 05:23 PM)worldpua Wrote: Are you planning to include the high on life effect that is in uslm in dmsi 3.3?
That's a natural side effect of Ultra Success based thinking. DMSI already has US in it, it's in the skeleton script, although it's a simpler version of the USLM one. I think the reason you don't feel that is because of all of what DMSI is trying to do at once. That, and perhaps need more execution.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - ncbeareatingman - 09-28-2018
Shannon this is the beginning of my 3rd cycle with USLM, it seems that the gap between being off USLM fer 2 days,is getting better,a little at a time. BY that I Mean, though when Im off of USLM I feel a bit down and way laid,Im still experiencing the right place/right time synch up,as well as 'state shfting' towards the positive= Success based thinking,vibing & feeling. Im grateful,to say da least! I would guess that the time of feeling down,way laid,and fatigued would lessen over time with USLM,even when off of it for the 2 day break? that is My hope any way.
Turning the Titanic theres day to a 180 seems a helluva lot more do-able and therefore exciting ,than years gone by....still more for me to go but I can sense that Im getting there,its very encouraging...the journey continues...
....Keith.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - CatMan - 09-28-2018
So, we're doing this for Friday night I guess.....alright then.
"Revisionist thinking". Well I don't remember executing such that I backpedal and claim it didn't happen. The idea of that seems ridiculous to me even, makes no sense why that would even happen. A person should be overjoyed they are executing, I know if T or S or either of the other two I dig would fully execute with me, I'd be beside myself. We'll see if that occurs someday.
To your second point. EXACTLY. Therefore, it isn't as easy as "I believe I'm attractive therefore I am now", bit more involved than that. It isn't some internal belief as the overarching factor in whether a woman finds you attractive, you still need to "pass the test" so to speak of her own filters. And also proving my point that I've said here often that women are the ultimate deciders on what is attractive in a man. Not us. They have to power to accept or reject. So all the mental masturbation in the world, doesn't compare to real life results. Glad we agree on that.
I don't believe we can "conclude" that at all. That's a theory. It's also possible this program is doing only a fraction of what it is theorised to do. And that there may be limits, whereas unless certain other things are brought to the table, all the "confidence" and "clearing and healing" in the world won't matter. I'm just not convinced its a simple formula for results anymore, given the massive amount of time the program has lagged in effectiveness for almost everyone. I've sadly just lost faith in it, I will dutifully use and test all versions as before, but I've largely given up the old fantasies I used to have about it. I've tried to report on things still in the hopes something can be taken and used for future versions, but it's hard to do when each report is always blown off or invalidated as "you're a resister, stop resisting, blah blah blah resist". Feels like there's no point in bothering. Again, as I've said before, I can't report on what doesn't happen. I'm trying my best to report what I think may be useful.
I feel the next "conclude" is a theory, based on a theory. Hard to quantify in reality. And hard to imagine a fear of success, or even why it would exist, especially when I haven't even achieved "success" or something close to it, (however that is considered to be in one's mind) with women before.
Yep 100%, definitely sure based off feedback that I'm not deemed "attractive" by women, for whatever reason. I've long since become more and more tired of trying to solve that rubik's cube that never seems to actually pan out and provide an ROI for the endless thought, energy, time and money spent on trying to get to the bottom of it. Seems to be if you have "it", you do. Like my bad boy friends that rained girls leaving me scratching my head how and why, while not seemingly "doing" anything. While also treating them like disposable trash, the girls complaining about it, but them still raining hot girls which makes no sense but I've seen it happen in front of me for decades. Then those of us in reality, live lives of quiet desperation for some reason, while allegedly being the "real man they want", it's a crock of BS. I've sometimes thought that we can "conclude" that the problem seems to be the wiring of the females in question since 3rd wave feminism, which is likely to be out of reach of a sub we are listening to. (And how unchecked hypergamy has had drastic, devastating consequences on western relationships, but we're getting off topic.) Maybe WE aren't the problem here. That revelation has been big to me. Maybe there isn't something wrong with me after all. Maybe I just don't fit in with things in this current cultural climate. Feels warm, but still doesn't solve my problem of a lack of intimacy in the end.
The "Jessica Alba" analogy was sound based off your other post. Also, I did think it was obvious at the time...but...that WAS a bit tongue in cheek, Shannon...lol! I admit I'm surprised it was taken as pure seriousness, can probably just chalk that up to the internet being what it is, so no problem. I was merely continuing said logic to the extreme to show it's conclusion. To shed light on the fact that it doesn't really work, and scale properly. And that there's more to it than that. I do not believe just being interested in women can make them interested in you. Otherwise, I wouldn't have struggled mightily with women as I have, and neither would most of the other guys here. But again, it was more tongue in cheek than anything. And because I enjoyed the brief idea of Jessica Alba being attracted to me...so...
And again, another "theory" about my lack of interest in women. As I've said in the past, it's also highly likely that I'm simply losing interest in women because: I'm 37 as of the 18th of September, naturally the libido will start dialing back, I know I've felt a big drop the last year or so. I'm also just sick and tired of chasing women and making them such a focus just to be disappointed. And that I've lost a ton of faith in this sub ever delivering, so the "urge" for it just isn't like before where I was like an addict dying for "the next version to get xyz tech, maybe now I'll execute blah blah". Not to mention the emerging feeling that women my age either have hard miles and baggage (often due to the bad boys they chose when younger instead of guys like me...) I don't think is fair to expect me to deal with. Or children from other men I also don't feel is fair to burden me with, I'd prefer to have my own, not raise some other man's. That leaves younger women, that have tons of options, are very hard to get any momentum with, as time goes on my age disparity with them grows making it more awkward to try. And I struggle to see it being realistic to have anything happen with them. So, I do sometimes feel it's "too late" now for me due to those factors. I "should" have been married with kids by now (anti-male divorce laws aside, I'm talking about normal rites of passage from earlier generations), I do envy earlier generations where they were able to do that, I at times feel screwed over. Maybe 1-2 entering high school now, but I haven't been able to make that happen. Never mind a date, that didn't even end up going anywhere, I haven't even had that before shockingly. Even if I had kids now, I'd be 50 when they are 13!!! Not sure if dealing with teenaged kids is something many 50 year olds want to handle or CAN handle. And I'd have to find "the right girl" right now, good luck with that. The longer it takes, the worse the age disparity will be. So I often wonder if it's too late. All of that, is the rationale behind why I'm not so stuck on women anymore. I will say it feels good to finally not be so "obsessed" with them, especially since that never panned out for me in success with them anyway. And just ended up making me feel bad about myself. Maybe it's more balanced now, and before it wasn't, I don't know. I do I'm clearly different than the average "I want to get laid with hot chicks, brah!" DMSI listener. So maybe that's why the perspective is so different than others.
We all await V3.3 sometime. All the best.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - SargeMaximus - 09-28-2018
Lol, always when another DMSI is just around the corner, we get things like this.
I just wanted to throw 2 cents in and then be on my way.
First of all, CatMan, while I understand your frustrations (having been a virgin myself into my late 20's), I still find it odd, and even a bit funny that you say things like this:
(09-28-2018, 07:41 PM)CatMan Wrote: Like my bad boy friends that rained girls leaving me scratching my head how and why, while not seemingly "doing" anything. While also treating them like disposable trash, the girls complaining about it, but them still raining hot girls […]
I mean, here you've noticed a character trait that women seem attracted to but instead of snap your fingers and say "Gee, maybe THAT'S what I need to do more of..." you "scratch your head". Seriously dude, Wtf?
I learned a long time ago to stop wondering "why" and just accept the facts and incorporate them into my character. And it WORKS, so to me, you have no excuse here. You're literally saying "I have a piece of the puzzle but I'm not going to use it".
On the other hand Shannon (this is my second cent), I do believe DMSI still needs fixing. I've been in bed with a HOT 8.5/10 woman and brought her to 3 orgasms with squirting all over her sheets and she went 180 on me and said "I don't see you that way" when I wanted to penetrate. Like, bro, that is some SERIOUSLY f*cked up shit, and something that should never happen in a million years on DMSI.
I know you'll say "Sarge, you have to [insert Sarge's responsibility here]" BUT, may I remind you that ANYTHING you can fill in that box is possible for me to do WITHOUT DMSI, therefore the program becomes useless unless it can achieve something I cannot do on my own. Like a drill, I only buy tools that help me achieve what I cannot do on my own. This goes for subs as you yourself have said before: they are a tool.
Anyhow, that's it from me. Hope you guys have a great weekend.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Determined - 09-28-2018
(09-28-2018, 08:37 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Lol, always when another DMSI is just around the corner, we get things like this.
I just wanted to throw 2 cents in and then be on my way.
First of all, CatMan, while I understand your frustrations (having been a virgin myself into my late 20's), I still find it odd, and even a bit funny that you say things like this:
(09-28-2018, 07:41 PM)CatMan Wrote: Like my bad boy friends that rained girls leaving me scratching my head how and why, while not seemingly "doing" anything. While also treating them like disposable trash, the girls complaining about it, but them still raining hot girls […]
I mean, here you've noticed a character trait that women seem attracted to but instead of snap your fingers and say "Gee, maybe THAT'S what I need to do more of..." you "scratch your head". Seriously dude, Wtf?
I learned a long time ago to stop wondering "why" and just accept the facts and incorporate them into my character. And it WORKS, so to me, you have no excuse here. You're literally saying "I have a piece of the puzzle but I'm not going to use it".
On the other hand Shannon (this is my second cent), I do believe DMSI still needs fixing. I've been in bed with a HOT 8.5/10 woman and brought her to 3 orgasms with squirting all over her sheets and she went 180 on me and said "I don't see you that way" when I wanted to penetrate. Like, bro, that is some SERIOUSLY f*cked up shit, and something that should never happen in a million years on DMSI.
I know you'll say "Sarge, you have to [insert Sarge's responsibility here]" BUT, may I remind you that ANYTHING you can fill in that box is possible for me to do WITHOUT DMSI, therefore the program becomes useless unless it can achieve something I cannot do on my own. Like a drill, I only buy tools that help me achieve what I cannot do on my own. This goes for subs as you yourself have said before: they are a tool.
Anyhow, that's it from me. Hope you guys have a great weekend.
In all candor Sarge, that hot 8.5 was an older woman (mid 30's from memory) and despite her initial attraction to you, it faded once she got to know your character.
One thing that you really need to work on is maturity. You're in your late 20's yet you behave like an adolescent.
No older woman wants to feel she's more mature than the man she's with. It makes her feel like a mother, which would explain some of her behaviors towards you post intimacy. If you want to understand why she did a 180 degree turn, look inwards.
That and emotional maturity. Mature men are sexy in the eyes of women.
Hopefully you can take this on board without getting triggered.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Steve_ - 09-28-2018
@CatMan this is a self help forum, essentially, since it is an addon to the subliminal Shop. Shannon, being the guy who created the programs you use, has some insight about what's going on. I don't chime in often but what I see repeatedly from you is that you are unable to accept any level of criticism and instead of asking questions and looking for how you can improve, you pick silly fights and try to logic and explain your way out of everything with this sense of false pride. You don't always have to be right. Learn to say "what do you suggest?" "how can I remedy this?" "what are your thoughts?" "help me understand (why, how)" and "thank you." I'm tired of you tying up the board with this nonsense.
And Sarge, I'd like to remind you not to blame DMSI for everything that happens. Subliminals help you drive your decisions like fuel allows a car to drive but ultimately you have to accept responsibility for yourself. Something caused that girl to do a 180 and likely you did, said, or suggested with your body language something that put her off. Or, she came to a realization on her own and said what she needed to say to get out of the situation. It's not DMSI's fault. You are in control, you know.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - wolverine_i_am - 09-28-2018
(09-28-2018, 01:15 PM)Greenduck Wrote:(09-28-2018, 01:00 PM)Zane Wrote:(09-28-2018, 10:47 AM)Shannon Wrote:(09-28-2018, 10:07 AM)Zane Wrote: "Overcome Fear of being Alone" is needed in DMSI
Wouldn't that be covered by the "Fear Removal Module" I'm working on? Designed to remove any and all fears preventing you from executing DMSI fully?
Remember when I said that.. After stopping DMSI i have this fear of being alone even in daytime.. As if someone or something is gonna grab me.. Thats why i said that.
Soukds like you have a blocked solar plexus chakra. That can’t cause fear of being alone.
I think being afraid and insecure in public is more of a blockage in the root. But yes, he probably likely does have a solar plexus blockage too.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - SargeMaximus - 09-29-2018
(09-28-2018, 09:26 PM)Determined Wrote:(09-28-2018, 08:37 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Lol, always when another DMSI is just around the corner, we get things like this.
I just wanted to throw 2 cents in and then be on my way.
First of all, CatMan, while I understand your frustrations (having been a virgin myself into my late 20's), I still find it odd, and even a bit funny that you say things like this:
(09-28-2018, 07:41 PM)CatMan Wrote: Like my bad boy friends that rained girls leaving me scratching my head how and why, while not seemingly "doing" anything. While also treating them like disposable trash, the girls complaining about it, but them still raining hot girls […]
I mean, here you've noticed a character trait that women seem attracted to but instead of snap your fingers and say "Gee, maybe THAT'S what I need to do more of..." you "scratch your head". Seriously dude, Wtf?
I learned a long time ago to stop wondering "why" and just accept the facts and incorporate them into my character. And it WORKS, so to me, you have no excuse here. You're literally saying "I have a piece of the puzzle but I'm not going to use it".
On the other hand Shannon (this is my second cent), I do believe DMSI still needs fixing. I've been in bed with a HOT 8.5/10 woman and brought her to 3 orgasms with squirting all over her sheets and she went 180 on me and said "I don't see you that way" when I wanted to penetrate. Like, bro, that is some SERIOUSLY f*cked up shit, and something that should never happen in a million years on DMSI.
I know you'll say "Sarge, you have to [insert Sarge's responsibility here]" BUT, may I remind you that ANYTHING you can fill in that box is possible for me to do WITHOUT DMSI, therefore the program becomes useless unless it can achieve something I cannot do on my own. Like a drill, I only buy tools that help me achieve what I cannot do on my own. This goes for subs as you yourself have said before: they are a tool.
Anyhow, that's it from me. Hope you guys have a great weekend.
In all candor Sarge, that hot 8.5 was an older woman (mid 30's from memory) and despite her initial attraction to you, it faded once she got to know your character.
Nope. She was 28.
(09-28-2018, 09:26 PM)Determined Wrote: One thing that you really need to work on is maturity. You're in your late 20's yet you behave like an adolescent.
That's your opinion.
(09-28-2018, 09:26 PM)Determined Wrote: No older woman wants to feel she's more mature than the man she's with. It makes her feel like a mother, which would explain some of her behaviors towards you post intimacy. If you want to understand why she did a 180 degree turn, look inwards.
That and emotional maturity. Mature men are sexy in the eyes of women.
Hopefully you can take this on board without getting triggered.
Again, this is stuff I can work on without DMSI (I don't share your opinion, however). So I wonder, what good is the program?
(09-28-2018, 10:26 PM)Cyanide Wrote: And Sarge, I'd like to remind you not to blame DMSI for everything that happens. Subliminals help you drive your decisions like fuel allows a car to drive but ultimately you have to accept responsibility for yourself. Something caused that girl to do a 180 and likely you did, said, or suggested with your body language something that put her off. Or, she came to a realization on her own and said what she needed to say to get out of the situation. It's not DMSI's fault. You are in control, you know.
First of all, I was the first to admit I must have "done something" to make her go 180. That's not the issue.
The issue is, if I have to constantly introspect and monitor myself, why do I need DMSI? I can do all that just fine without the program.
Second, when did I ever blame DMSI for "everything" that happens? Literally everything? I think you need to re-phrase.
Again, as I said, anything I can do or should have done with the girl (or any girl) is something I can do or should have done without DMSI. Which makes the program useless.
Seriously, unless it gives me an advantage I would not have had otherwise, what is the benefit?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Steve_ - 09-29-2018
You're speaking in absolutes.
I think we can all agree that if something is not benefitting us then we might be better off without it, if that is our judgement, so give that a try.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - samba99 - 09-29-2018
Shannon,
I just wanted to let you know DMSI 3.3 is directly affecting my dreams.
This is the first version that I experience strong TID to the point reaching my dreams.
I stopped 3.2 a while ago and stopped USLM last week.
After a series of sexual related dreams. Last night I had an interesting dream directly related to the fear of death.
I dreamed a bunch of people been slaughtered and dead around the street. (walking dead scheme) and it really hit some fear in me.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - blth - 09-29-2018
(09-29-2018, 03:33 AM)samba99 Wrote: Shannon,
I just wanted to let you know DMSI 3.3 is directly affecting my dreams.
This is the first version that I experience strong TID to the point reaching my dreams.
I stopped 3.2 a while ago and stopped USLM last week.
After a series of sexual related dreams. Last night I had an interesting dream directly related to the fear of death.
I dreamed a bunch of people been slaughtered and dead around the street. (walking dead scheme) and it really hit some fear in me.
That might be from uslm. I got some dead dreams too when i used uslm. But i enjoy nightmares, they were more than welcomed