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RE: Masculine Principles - Jake2015 - 02-17-2018
(02-17-2018, 05:19 PM)Frosted Wrote:(02-17-2018, 10:08 AM)Jake2015 Wrote:(02-13-2018, 05:57 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:(02-13-2018, 03:13 PM)Benjamin Wrote: I can't get over how you're still trying to give guys advice on women like this Sarge when you've not actually done anything in that area. It's not helping anybody.
I was more talking against the idea that "not using PUA" works magically. Of which I do have 24 years experience.
24 years "just being me" didn't get me laid, so yes, I can say for a fact that it "doesn't work".
From there, I can say that in sales, having a "technique" works better than "just being yourself" in which case I am assuming that it is very likely that having a technique with women will work as well.
I think being yourself is terrible advice.
BEING YOUR BEST SELF is the best way forward and that is for anything from women to work to play.
Pua material works, but it hasnt worked for you. It must work since PUAs get laid and their protege's and students get laid too but here it where I think it works...
it works on those girls that are below your level, as long as you have groomed and worked on all your other failings.
I think it also works on girls looking to get hitched or get attention or eager to get some level of romance.
PUA is a technique that works on women but which technique of all the PUA or rather what way works for each of us is where it gets awkward.
I think I remember hearing the best self thing from Tyler. Are you an RSD fan? Being yourself works when you are awesome. So I think working on yourself and being yourself is more preferable to being a piece of shit who tricks women or uses techniques to feel less of a piece of shit or covering up your shittiness to get women.
Tyler said that too?
No im not an RSD fan at all, I couldnt get past the way Tyler shitted on Mystery in the Game and tbh think the guy is way too much of a douche like that villain in the incredibles or like the character of Philip Seymour Hoffman in Patch Adams lol
Yes I agree being yourself works when you are awesome but even then you will have a better self. Actually wait I think I know who said this, the best self was from Style (Neil Strauss) I think. I cant be sure cos if used it for years but I totally agree with it.
I absolutely agree being a shit and tricking women may get you laid but nothing more and tbh there comes a time when you want more than just lays.
I always believe that being the best self you can in a situation is how men are normally when they try to chat to a girl, but if you havent sharpened the saw (Steven Covey) for that best self then it may be the best you have but still not good enough if that makes sense.
I feel its better to learn, sharpen the saw but focus on yourself and in time the right person will come along.
Now a days a more a proponent of other gurus tbh, but havent been into the PUA material for a couple of years. I read the theory but never had time to go out to practise so what I use is just my natural wit, charm and ability to speak on the spot....but I realised that unless I work on my image then its not worked for me - looks count but its the overall physique and grooming rather than how babyfaced pretty we all are I think, but this is how I make myself feel better rather than focusing on the downside of life haha
RE: Masculine Principles - SargeMaximus - 02-17-2018
It's not about "tricking" women. I honestly don't know where anyone gets that from.
You can use PUA techniques without tricking women. Negs, for example, are easy: just pick something about her that isn't perfect. There's no trick there, you're just bringing something to light.
Anyhow I've been through this with guys before. Most guys are at a novice level of sales understanding and I really do see pick up as just an extension of sales in that I am the product. So I just have to find the right way to communicate.
Why do some sales people sell a TON of product while other salesmen at the same company sell nothing? Is it because the super successful guys "trick" customers? No, because then they wouldn't be successful for very long.
So it's the exact same product but it's just different "techniques". Pick up is the same. So long as your product is good, you just have to learn how to sell it.
RE: Masculine Principles - freerad98 - 02-19-2018
If you've read/watched a fair amount of women related material you should know that guys are generally visual and women, emotional. So how to "cause" emotions in women?
Note this is not specifically about "red pill" philosophies, PUA, etc., so don't discount it before actually checking it out.
Check these subreddits out:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FeelingsBeforeLogic/ which is based on:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PracticalSexAndLove/
RE: Masculine Principles - Daredevil - 02-20-2018
Good Video With Michael Franzese, one of the highest paid mob bosses in history. Lots of Good Jewels in this video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=24s&v=5U-yqm9H_Sg
RE: Masculine Principles - Daredevil - 02-20-2018
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http://www.westernmastery.com/2018/02/01/mans-guide-avoiding-xenoestrogens-endocrine-disruptors-lower-testosterone/