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RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - SargeMaximus - 09-14-2017
Had a great day today. That book is really helping.
Still hitting some issues but I'm confident I'll smooth them out in the coming days.
EDIT:
DMSI Notable from today:
- Girl I spent a lot of time around was seemingly on the fence.
Doing the "hair covering neck" IOD one minute, then the hair flip and hair behind ear the next. Oscillated between the two many times. Also covered up her chest with a shirt she was wearing multiple times.
Perhaps she was trying to get my attention with the "off and on" behavior. I dunno.
We were the only two people in the room and we were talking for at least 20 minutes.
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - Determined - 09-14-2017
(09-14-2017, 07:42 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:(09-13-2017, 11:02 PM)Determined Wrote:(09-13-2017, 05:17 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Went to a used bookstore today to buy Bill Clinton's Biography, "My Life".
I had it before, then gave it away, now I want it again since Bill Clinton's charisma and people skills is legendary.
Anyhow, when there, the older woman helping me stopped by a cart and picked up the book "Crucial Conversations" and then set it down.
It was such a perfect moment I bought that book as well (we did end up finding Clinton's book, after another associate came and helped).
Anyhow, reading that book at the moment and the information is profound and potent.
It's streamlined to efficiently provide the why's as well as the how's without taking up too much space. Just my kind of book and I'm already seeing what has been going on in conversations I've had with people in all areas of my life.
I'm also starting to understand the solution and how to practice it, and I'm only about 1/4 through.
I'm not entirely sure how much use his biography would be in learning Charisma but if you're getting value from it then good for you.
This is a blog post on the Tim Feriss blog regarding Bill Clinton's Charisma. While he does get a few things right, he mistakenly attributes his Charisma to eye contact over what's really going on (which is his presence).
https://tim.blog/2010/11/21/bill-clinton-reality-distortion-field/
In the 3 step process he places step 3 as being physically present with your audience which is crucial.
In that link I sent you via PM "Charisma training" the owner and head coach delineates Charisma and charm in this manner
Charm: the ability to make whomever you speak to the centre of your world I.e being completely present with them
Charisma: the ability to create emotional spikes in your audience
The art of charisma is creating the intended emotional spikes in your audience.
Think of a bad boy who women can't get enough of. Unknowingly he's creating all kinds of emotional spikes for her (good and bad) which sends her on an emtional roller coaster and gets her addicted. Or a Hollywood movie which uses advanced story telling to create the right combination of emotional spikes to keep the viewer engaged and enthralled.
Bill Clinton combines both very well (charm and charisma) and to good effect. If you're interested in learning this as a formal process then I'd recommend you follow up on that link I sent. They break charisma down into a nuts and bolts science which I found to be ground breaking as previously people used to believe that charisma was something a person is born with rather than taught.
Hope that helps man and good luck on your journey
I don't want to appear ungrateful or dismissive.
I'd love it if we could share ideas and provide each other feedback, but I did try the charisma training. Specifically the smile suggestion of his and it didn't work. I'm therefore hesitant to take any more of his advice.
Fair enough dude. Most of the value I found was from the live training. That's where they give away all the gold. I don't pay too much attention to the web content just because it's there for marketing. I think another forum member mentioned how you have a tendency to over generalise things.
In that Bill Clinton example above I can imagine that if a person believed that it was eye contact and went out and did some fancy eye contact trick but for whatever reason wasn't mentally present (mind was else where) then they'd come off as being creepy. They might conclude that the eye contact thing was BS and that charisma doesn't work just because it didn't work for them in one isolated case.
You seemingly want help but when given you throw it back. For whatever reason you'd rather do things "your way". To give you another example in your old journal Reezox went to all the trouble of illustrating "the dip" for you and how that may be what you need to go through to get results with DMSI. Long story short you seem very hesitant to accept any outside assistance. For whatever reason, if you extrapolate that onto subs (which act as outside suggestions) that may be a reason why you're not executing as well as you'd like or should be given your exposure time.
Either way I wish you good fortune in your trials ahead
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - SargeMaximus - 09-14-2017
(09-14-2017, 08:50 PM)Determined Wrote:(09-14-2017, 07:42 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:(09-13-2017, 11:02 PM)Determined Wrote:(09-13-2017, 05:17 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Went to a used bookstore today to buy Bill Clinton's Biography, "My Life".
I had it before, then gave it away, now I want it again since Bill Clinton's charisma and people skills is legendary.
Anyhow, when there, the older woman helping me stopped by a cart and picked up the book "Crucial Conversations" and then set it down.
It was such a perfect moment I bought that book as well (we did end up finding Clinton's book, after another associate came and helped).
Anyhow, reading that book at the moment and the information is profound and potent.
It's streamlined to efficiently provide the why's as well as the how's without taking up too much space. Just my kind of book and I'm already seeing what has been going on in conversations I've had with people in all areas of my life.
I'm also starting to understand the solution and how to practice it, and I'm only about 1/4 through.
I'm not entirely sure how much use his biography would be in learning Charisma but if you're getting value from it then good for you.
This is a blog post on the Tim Feriss blog regarding Bill Clinton's Charisma. While he does get a few things right, he mistakenly attributes his Charisma to eye contact over what's really going on (which is his presence).
https://tim.blog/2010/11/21/bill-clinton-reality-distortion-field/
In the 3 step process he places step 3 as being physically present with your audience which is crucial.
In that link I sent you via PM "Charisma training" the owner and head coach delineates Charisma and charm in this manner
Charm: the ability to make whomever you speak to the centre of your world I.e being completely present with them
Charisma: the ability to create emotional spikes in your audience
The art of charisma is creating the intended emotional spikes in your audience.
Think of a bad boy who women can't get enough of. Unknowingly he's creating all kinds of emotional spikes for her (good and bad) which sends her on an emtional roller coaster and gets her addicted. Or a Hollywood movie which uses advanced story telling to create the right combination of emotional spikes to keep the viewer engaged and enthralled.
Bill Clinton combines both very well (charm and charisma) and to good effect. If you're interested in learning this as a formal process then I'd recommend you follow up on that link I sent. They break charisma down into a nuts and bolts science which I found to be ground breaking as previously people used to believe that charisma was something a person is born with rather than taught.
Hope that helps man and good luck on your journey
I don't want to appear ungrateful or dismissive.
I'd love it if we could share ideas and provide each other feedback, but I did try the charisma training. Specifically the smile suggestion of his and it didn't work. I'm therefore hesitant to take any more of his advice.
Fair enough dude. Most of the value I found was from the live training. That's where they give away all the gold. I don't pay too much attention to the web content just because it's there for marketing. I think another forum member mentioned how you have a tendency to over generalise things.
In that Bill Clinton example above I can imagine that if a person believed that it was eye contact and went out and did some fancy eye contact trick but for whatever reason wasn't mentally present (mind was else where) then they'd come off as being creepy. They might conclude that the eye contact thing was BS and that charisma doesn't work just because it didn't work for them in one isolated case.
You seemingly want help but when given you throw it back. For whatever reason you'd rather do things "your way". To give you another example in your old journal Reezox went to all the trouble of illustrating "the dip" for you and how that may be what you need to go through to get results with DMSI. Long story short you seem very hesitant to accept any outside assistance. For whatever reason, if you extrapolate that onto subs (which act as outside suggestions) that may be a reason why you're not executing as well as you'd like or should be given your exposure time.
Either way I wish you good fortune in your trials ahead
Again, I don't want to appear dismissive, but this isn't helping, this is an attack.
You seem to have a personal stake in me taking your advice. I wonder if you've noticed that and if you've considered how you come across.
I don't want to get into a blame game here. Obviously you feel very strongly about your suggestions, and I appreciate the gesture, but I'd appreciate it if you'd respect my decision to take or leave them.
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - Determined - 09-14-2017
It might seem like an attack Sarge, but it isn't. I understand the process you're going through at the moment - building a working model for sales which you can reliably use day to day and I can see that you're still tinkering with it. I appreciate that, I get very passionate when I get involved in something.
Best of luck in your endeavor
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - SargeMaximus - 09-15-2017
(09-14-2017, 11:10 PM)Determined Wrote: It might seem like an attack Sarge, but it isn't. I understand the process you're going through at the moment - building a working model for sales which you can reliably use day to day and I can see that you're still tinkering with it. I appreciate that, I get very passionate when I get involved in something.
Best of luck in your endeavor
So do I. Sometimes I forget to calibrate lol. It's one of the things I'm working on.
But thanks man, like I said: I appreciate the advice. I don't want you to think I'm just asking for advice so that I can throw it in your face. That's not the case. But meeting as many people as I do in a day or week, I've come to realize that reactions I get are reliable indicators of how I'm coming across. They're not just outliers unless I only meet 5 or so people that day.
So yeah, I take the advice and test it in the field, if it holds up to that scrutiny, I keep it. If not, I don't. Very simple.
If there's a compelling argument for something (like let's say every book I read advocates it, or big names like Tony Robbins advocates it) I'll assume I'm doing it wrong and come back to it after a while to try again.
ION, had a dream that I think is a notable.
At first I was doing sales. Door to door.
I had to use the bathroom for #2.
when I did, I had trouble getting it all when I wiped, but thought I did.
Then I was in the passenger seat of a car, my Mom was driving me. We were having a normal conversation when she suddenly scrunched up her nose and said "You smell like sh!t"
Then I was in a store. It was a video game of some sort only instead of watching the tv and holding a controller, I was the character.
There was me and another guy.
Basically the game was: you're both criminals and you have to use the pick ups in the world to kill as many people as possible.
At first we had just our fists, but we found fire axes in the starting room, then we started hacking everyone in the building.
Then there were a bunch of firemen. The also had shields, so we took the shields and kept hacking.
Then I found some police badges (2) and grabbed those.
Then the police arrived and I used the shield to bash one of them and take his shotgun. as I did I put on some sunglasses. It went slowmo for a second as the shotgun flew threw the air into my hands, once I had it and took a shot, everything went normal speed.
we shot up a bunch of police, then suddenly Wonder Woman was there. I quickly dispatched of her.
Then Batman, superman, etc.
More and more heroes kept coming but we just kept getting more powerful, using whatever came with them to dispatch them.
Interesting dream.
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - SargeMaximus - 09-15-2017
DMSI Notables Post:
- was in a store just now getting a prescription. The guy walks up to the counter and I ask "how are you?" he says "Busy" quickly. I'm kind of stunned then I say "Busy?" (cause I wasn't sure I heard him right) "Yeah, I can imagine" then I gave him the form.
Over time he seemed to ease up but i was trying my darndest to help him with whatever his issue had. Maybe he really was legit busy I dunno.
Sometimes I think people pretend to be busy or whatever to impress me or to get my respect.
I'm trying to respect everyone so these kinds of games don't derail things at all, but it's definitely a "thing" on DMSI.
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - SargeMaximus - 09-15-2017
Lately been noticing people are super defensive towards me.
Here's a convo from OKC I had with a girl today to show you what I mean:
Today - 11:16am
Me: Hey [name], just thought I'd say hi!
Today - 4:42pm
Her: Your two photos are hilarious- what made you add the side shot in?
Me: Thanks. I wanted to practice my mug shots. So how's your day going?
Her: Omg it was so challenging!! How was your day?
Me: Mines good so far. Why challenging?
Today - 5:43pm
Her: I am a caseworker with Children's Services- so I'm hoping you can imagine why challenging
Today - 7:08pm
Me: Yeah, now I can. Must be tough. How do you separate work from your personal life?
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - SargeMaximus - 09-15-2017
Another notable:
- Girl who worked at the gym some months ago (the one who winked at me one day, seemed friendly a few others after that, was flirting with some guy a time after that, then disappeared entirely) is now back.
She asked me how I was while she was on the phone and smiled girl-ishly at me, when I was leaving, she smiled girlishly again.
I'm afraid I'm grasping at straws here. DMSI is so rough on me because half the time I'm thinking girls' reaction to me is normal/nothing special, or I think I'm over inflating the importance, or I'm thinking it's a definite IOI.
Very taxing on my brain. ><
I crave stability and certainty. This new reality where things are ever changing is difficult to come to terms with.
EDIT: one thing I just realized is that I have a soft of "all or nothing" mentality. It's like I need to get a home run every time I step up to the plate, otherwise it's not worth stepping up to the plate at all. Like I don't want to put in the tedious work and want a magic pill. It's funny because I don't believe in a magic pill. Maybe that's why I'm so apathetic.
Good stuff on Ver. A.
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - SargeMaximus - 09-16-2017
Lately I find myself either taking too much responsibility (i.e. trying to even take responsibility for things others are responsible for) or not enough (i.e. expecting everyone to do everything for me).
The trick atm is finding the middle ground and knowing precisely where my responsibility stops and others' starts.
Lets take an example from sales:
I set an appointment with the hopes that it will lead to a sale.
The salesman goes to the appointment and then either sells it or doesn't.
If he does, it was a "good" app. But it's also a reflection on his sales ability.
If he doesn't sell it, it was a "bad" app and is also a reflection on his sales ability.
However, the tricky part comes here: what if the app was good but his sales ability was bad?
OR
What if the app was bad but his sales ability was good?
In those instances I wonder how much I am to blame for an app not selling.
I imagine this confusion and "blurred lines" extends into other areas of my life.
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - SargeMaximus - 09-16-2017
DMSI Notables:
- Lots of women looking at me today. Mostly when I'm driving past them
- In a book store, saw a woman and had angry hate-sex thoughts towards her, then I turned a corner and there was an even hotter milf. We locked eyes and she flung her head around looking away. Then I used the bathroom. When I came out, that woman I thought of manhandling/hatefucking was in front of me. She held the door open for me and I said "Thank you!" she said "You're welcome!" in a very feminine way. I felt sorry for her somehow. :/
- Feeling VERY bad internally today. I want to crawl under my bed and hide. Doing sales was torture felt like I was forcing myself. Which makes me wonder about resistance. specifically:
* How come I feel like I'm fighting MYSELF to do the right things? I'm consciously fighting tooth and nail to EXECUTE the program. Whereas when I'm "resisting" everything feels smooth and effortless, but I get no results. Makes no f*cking sense.
Reminds me of when I was on 3.0.1 A and how I had to force EVERYTHING. Felt like I was doing ALL the work CONSCIOUSLY.
Hope Shannon fixes that. No idea why that would be.
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - SargeMaximus - 09-17-2017
DMSI Notables Post:
- guy in a truck was turning into me. I guess he either didn't see me or expected me to slam on the brakes and let him into my Lane. Instead I slammed on the horn and he slowed down and backed off.
Then, when he was behind me, he went nuts. Honking his horn a multiple times. I just waved at him but I should have ignored.
- in a bookstore headed to use the bathroom. Saw a hot milf in shorts. As I passed I was looking at her legs. Then I looked into her eyes. She smiled and I did too. She looked down still smiling.
I was gonna approach her as soon as I was out of the bathroom but she was in the Starbucks lineup with a guy. So, no sniping then. :/
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - Adrien Silva - 09-17-2017
(09-15-2017, 04:38 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Lately been noticing people are super defensive towards me.
Here's a convo from OKC I had with a girl today to show you what I mean:
Today - 11:16am
Me: Hey [name], just thought I'd say hi!
Today - 4:42pm
Her: Your two photos are hilarious- what made you add the side shot in?
Me: Thanks. I wanted to practice my mug shots. So how's your day going?
Her: Omg it was so challenging!! How was your day?
Me: Mines good so far. Why challenging?
Today - 5:43pm
Her: I am a caseworker with Children's Services- so I'm hoping you can imagine why challenging
Today - 7:08pm
Me: Yeah, now I can. Must be tough. How do you separate work from your personal life?
I get nothing online.
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - SargeMaximus - 09-17-2017
(09-17-2017, 10:28 AM)Adrien Silva Wrote:(09-15-2017, 04:38 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Lately been noticing people are super defensive towards me.
Here's a convo from OKC I had with a girl today to show you what I mean:
Today - 11:16am
Me: Hey [name], just thought I'd say hi!
Today - 4:42pm
Her: Your two photos are hilarious- what made you add the side shot in?
Me: Thanks. I wanted to practice my mug shots. So how's your day going?
Her: Omg it was so challenging!! How was your day?
Me: Mines good so far. Why challenging?
Today - 5:43pm
Her: I am a caseworker with Children's Services- so I'm hoping you can imagine why challenging
Today - 7:08pm
Me: Yeah, now I can. Must be tough. How do you separate work from your personal life?
I get nothing online.
Maybe your pics are bad...
This girl is actually still talking to me. She seemed to cool down after that outburst. We'll see if she makes the cut.
ION, getting better at sales. Back to some things I forgot about and man are people paying attention to me now.
Still feels like work, though.
I intend to approach and talk to more girls from now on. getting into a "do or die" mentality HOWEVER I've noticed a problem with that:
If I only get this kind of results when I'm near broke and near homelessness, I can't forsee myself getting into a better position.
I'd like to have this same kind of motivation and effectiveness no matter how much money I make nor how many girls I get with.
RE: SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester] - SargeMaximus - 09-17-2017
I'm getting hyper-aware of things now.
Just remembered a sales call today where the guy asked me if the van parked across the street was mine.
Me: "No."
Him: "Oh, cause I was gonna say it's pretty sweet."
Me: *looking at it* "Yeah, it is."
The thing is: It's probably his neighbors van. Like seriously, wtf? Why did he ask that?