(03-06-2023, 04:42 PM)Z-Man Wrote: Hey @Shannon 

Have you run the beast of sub Maverick that you created for yourself it?  If, so can you share what happened?

(03-06-2023, 05:38 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(03-06-2023, 04:33 PM)AmpersndThe2nd Wrote: You would know best, as you've built both programs from the ground up and have run them yourself. There could be a specific trauma that leads to X4A not executing.
When it comes to sex life issues, I have much less of an issue now than I did when I was younger. I have two girlfriends, and both know that I see the other. I'd say they're both in the 6-7 category when it comes to looks. I don't put in too much time or energy into my dating life, and that's to allow for more time for my career goals and purpose.
But, the issue of getting the women I want - the 8s, 9s, 10s, so to speak - was always tough.

When I was a decade younger, and was more horny than embarrassed, I'd make many approaches, and I'd get numbers, but I'd fumble when it came to setting up dates, relating with the gal, etc.. I still had smaller-scale relationships back then.
I also had a major MGTOW/Red pill rage phase - starting a full decade before that topic blew up on Tiktok 1-2 years ago - that has persisted in smaller amounts even until my run of Overcoming Fear.
I was much more awkward as a kid in high school; shy and whatnot. Always worried that I would get into trouble; might be an issue of shame.
I don't really fell shame nowadays, but that doesn't rule out its operating in the background.

Aha... that sheds some interesting light on things.

X4A is designed to focus on the three people within your sight that you most want to have sex with.  If you have two 6's who know about each other, but trouble getting the 8+ types, this says something about relating to those specific females.  Tell me, when you were younger, did you manage to fumble your way into red pill rage because you couldn't get what you wanted and blamed them for it?  Is it possible that some part of you resents those types of women for that experience still?  It sounds like you're stonewalling X4A, which would indicate a stone cold refusal to execute, which usually only ever happens when some part of you feels mortally threatened, so was there some experience that could have been associated with getting killed if you went after them?

(03-06-2023, 06:09 PM)AmpersndThe2nd Wrote:

(03-06-2023, 05:38 PM)Shannon Wrote: Aha... that sheds some interesting light on things.

X4A is designed to focus on the three people within your sight that you most want to have sex with.  If you have two 6's who know about each other, but trouble getting the 8+ types, this says something about relating to those specific females.  Tell me, when you were younger, did you manage to fumble your way into red pill rage because you couldn't get what you wanted and blamed them for it?  Is it possible that some part of you resents those types of women for that experience still?  It sounds like you're stonewalling X4A, which would indicate a stone cold refusal to execute, which usually only ever happens when some part of you feels mortally threatened, so was there some experience that could have been associated with getting killed if you went after them?

Yes, absolutely yes. In elementary and high school, I had a string of crushes that never panned out (which, of course, I'm sure that she was being pined after by a bunch of boys, so the economics of it was out of whack.)

I just seemed invisible to those women, unless I pushed myself to be in front of them, but I knew that I was an orbiter.
Part of my 'game' was to try to progress things forward, but to not give away that I liked her, in that way; almost waiting for her to make steps, because otherwise she's "find out" that I "like her", and if she does, she will "obviously" reject me. Even if it would benefit me, I would close my feelings away, as I wanted some sexual variety, and assumed that casual sex meant being completely closed off on an emotional level. (I don't believe that anymore)

So a couple of years into uni, when I wasn't experiencing this great hookup culture I was hearing about, I get exposed to red pill (at the time, men's rights activist content was very popular) and MGTOW. My beliefs that these women are just floating on a cloud, living life on 'easy mode', and becoming corrupting by excessive choice.
That they made bad choices (not me), so why should they get to whine about the consequences of their bad choices?
The rest is history; becoming punitively pro-life, or anti subsidies for poor moms, can very easily spring from that.
I did a lot of internal work to rid myself of the overt resentment, but I'm sure that some fragments remain, as my subliminal history hasn't dealt with it directly. I've used other modalities in an attempt to directly tackle it.

(03-07-2023, 05:49 PM)AmpersndThe2nd Wrote: (I thought I left a response earlier, but my tab suspended before hitting 'post reply')

I can't confirm that I consciously deny myself sex with 8-9-10s; it's possible that I have some subconscious junk that accomplishes basically that, but I don't consciously know.
It makes sense if that was the case.

I do get the conscious thought that the stakes are a bit higher when I consider approaching those women, as they are rare, and therefore scarce, and that they have a lot of options, so I do wonder what her other suitors are bringing to the table. Also, I get the occasional thought that there's probably a guy nearby who might try to MOG me in some way (e.g., strongarm or intimidate) or is her boyfriend/husband.

(03-07-2023, 07:05 PM)AmpersndThe2nd Wrote: As an added note, I would speculate that there will soon be a large number of young men who are disaffected with the latest craze of red pill content, and have to content with what's termed "red pill rage"; the content acted as an amplifier for genuine grievances or inconveniences, but have not spun out of control, and has affected their ability to have an open heart, to trust, to drop grudges, or to apply a mature lens to dating dynamics.

This could be something that is addressed in either OF, OGSF, Aura of Love, or EHPRA, but I would only know from my experience with OF, and it did help a lot, probably by resolving an unconscious fear of women, or of the fears that come as a consequence of dealing with women (fear of rejection, of old age, etc.)