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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - mat422 - 09-16-2018
(09-16-2018, 12:36 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Could maybe a big obastacle in letting go of fear being getting over the fear of letting go of fear itself? As if fear previously have given the boundaries that guided your life, without it you are fearful of trusting your own instincts, as you are unfamiliar in how to do so.
Yup. Shannon has mentioned that already somewhere and I believe he's been working on the whole fear of fear thing. Getting the mind to understand that it's not fear that keeps us safe, but common sense.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - dissonance - 09-16-2018
(09-15-2018, 11:49 AM)Shannon Wrote:(09-15-2018, 10:50 AM)samba99 Wrote: Shannon,
When is the time to take a break for 3.3?
I am excited for 3.3, the TID is promising.
I am supposed to be testing B17 for a couple weeks, but that doesn't stop me from working on DMSI. So you can take your break for 3.3 now, and I will get started officially tomorrow.
How soon after completing 3.3b will you start working on 3.3a?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Greenduck - 09-16-2018
(09-16-2018, 04:14 PM)mat422 Wrote:(09-16-2018, 12:36 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Could maybe a big obastacle in letting go of fear being getting over the fear of letting go of fear itself? As if fear previously have given the boundaries that guided your life, without it you are fearful of trusting your own instincts, as you are unfamiliar in how to do so.
Yup. Shannon has mentioned that already somewhere and I believe he's been working on the whole fear of fear thing. Getting the mind to understand that it's not fear that keeps us safe, but common sense.
I'm curious if the healing subs help the user to get in contact with the body. I have noticed that the more "in my body" I am, the less fear I feel, and the more safe I feel.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - mat422 - 09-17-2018
(09-16-2018, 11:13 PM)Greenduck Wrote:(09-16-2018, 04:14 PM)mat422 Wrote:(09-16-2018, 12:36 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Could maybe a big obastacle in letting go of fear being getting over the fear of letting go of fear itself? As if fear previously have given the boundaries that guided your life, without it you are fearful of trusting your own instincts, as you are unfamiliar in how to do so.
Yup. Shannon has mentioned that already somewhere and I believe he's been working on the whole fear of fear thing. Getting the mind to understand that it's not fear that keeps us safe, but common sense.
I'm curious if the healing subs help the user to get in contact with the body. I have noticed that the more "in my body" I am, the less fear I feel, and the more safe I feel.
I've noticed that as well. To me the healing directly targets fear, it affects the deeper more instinctual response that isn't easily accessed through conscious means. Basically it feels as if I have more control over my response to outside factors vs reacting to it like.a trigger. Part of that is attaining a sort of awareness with one's own body that helps with that.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Greenduck - 09-17-2018
(09-17-2018, 02:25 AM)mat422 Wrote:(09-16-2018, 11:13 PM)Greenduck Wrote:(09-16-2018, 04:14 PM)mat422 Wrote:(09-16-2018, 12:36 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Could maybe a big obastacle in letting go of fear being getting over the fear of letting go of fear itself? As if fear previously have given the boundaries that guided your life, without it you are fearful of trusting your own instincts, as you are unfamiliar in how to do so.
Yup. Shannon has mentioned that already somewhere and I believe he's been working on the whole fear of fear thing. Getting the mind to understand that it's not fear that keeps us safe, but common sense.
I'm curious if the healing subs help the user to get in contact with the body. I have noticed that the more "in my body" I am, the less fear I feel, and the more safe I feel.
I've noticed that as well. To me the healing directly targets fear, it affects the deeper more instinctual response that isn't easily accessed through conscious means. Basically it feels as if I have more control over my response to outside factors vs reacting to it like.a trigger. Part of that is attaining a sort of awareness with one's own body that helps with that.
I can give my warm recommendations to trauma releasing exercises, which help replicate the shaking that animals do to release stored fear in the body. It have helped me tremendously in many areas of my emotional health.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - KingDavid93 - 09-17-2018
I had a dream last week that I won $12 (saw the exact game as well) playing lotto and this morning it came true. I’m about to start my 3rd cycle of US/LM B.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - THolt - 09-17-2018
@Shannon
How did your additional tests on Beast 17 go?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 09-17-2018
(09-16-2018, 10:42 AM)Broski Wrote: Hey Shannon,
I've been running US/LM B for 34 days now and have not yet been seeing the results i'm after. Ilve been experiencing a TON of fear and anxiety while running g this, almost verging on panic attacks on a few occasions and feeling like i'm losing my mind. A lot of different worries, negative thoughts and emotions coming up. I have also recently started trying to meditate more rigorously a little ways into the run so not sure if that might be part of it as well. Do you think I should keep going or try to switch to version A?
So the first thing is to remember that no matter what suggestions I offer you, you can follow the instructions and be eligible for a refund, or you can disregard them and give that up. That is a choice you must be the one to make.
I recommend that you start analyzing your reactions to understand what is causing them, where they come from and what their origins are.
If you keep having negative thoughts come up, what are those thoughts specifically? Those thoughts are going to be like arrows fired from the cause of the resistance and fear: they will by their very nature point you back to what caused them.
What are they telling you? Why would you be having those thoughts and responses? Why are you afraid of success? Is it success you're afraid of, or something that will result from success? What do these things tell you about the underlying fears and causes of your reactions to this program?
WHY are you afraid of succeeding?
It would help me help you to know more specifically what your negative reactions are.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 09-17-2018
(09-16-2018, 12:36 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Could maybe a big obastacle in letting go of fear being getting over the fear of letting go of fear itself? As if fear previously have given the boundaries that guided your life, without it you are fearful of trusting your own instincts, as you are unfamiliar in how to do so.
Fear of not being afraid is truly ridiculous from a logical point of view, but it is a significant and serious issue that I identified about 5 years ago. It is one of the biggest issues we have with getting out of, and past fear. Most people assume that fear is what keeps them safe, so not having it creates more of it.
The solution is to recognize that using your ability to think is going to keep you just as safe, but give you much less in the way of limitations at the same time.
Emotions are not rational, though, and the part of you experiencing and generating fear is emotional. This is what has made it so hard to get rid of fear. The current work I am doing is making significant strides in that direction, and while I don't know that I am finished, I do know that I am making important progress.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 09-17-2018
(09-16-2018, 04:14 PM)mat422 Wrote:(09-16-2018, 12:36 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Could maybe a big obastacle in letting go of fear being getting over the fear of letting go of fear itself? As if fear previously have given the boundaries that guided your life, without it you are fearful of trusting your own instincts, as you are unfamiliar in how to do so.
Yup. Shannon has mentioned that already somewhere and I believe he's been working on the whole fear of fear thing. Getting the mind to understand that it's not fear that keeps us safe, but common sense.
The issue is that it is not the mind, but the emotional self that you are talking about. As far as I can determine, the mind is separate from the emotional awareness. They seem to be mutually exclusive in how they cogitate and comprehend the world around them. They communicate in vastly different ways and they generally do not understand one another. The "mind" is the logical one, and the "heart" (for lack of a better term) is the emotional one. The emotional self is the one that feels fear, because fear is an emotion. The mind does not experience emotional anything in it's pure expression. Only when they are blended and/or balanced does one experience the other.
The emotional self experiences fear as a safety mechanism, and the mind experiences logic as a safety mechanism. Because fear is arising from an irrational awareness, it can become tangled and all sorts of issues arise from it when it does. Too much fear is a bad thing, just as not enough fear without any other safety mechanism in play is a bad thing. We can only remain safe when we let go of fear and replace it with the use of our other potential safety mechanism, which is our logic and ability to think and know.
So being utterly fearless and not bothering to think about what you're doing and what the potential consequences are is a bad thing; but logic tells you that if you walk on the edge of a skyscraper and you lose your balance, you may fall and die. Logic suffices perfectly well to prevent you from doing that, even if you have no fear.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 09-17-2018
(09-16-2018, 05:05 PM)dissonance Wrote:(09-15-2018, 11:49 AM)Shannon Wrote:(09-15-2018, 10:50 AM)samba99 Wrote: Shannon,
When is the time to take a break for 3.3?
I am excited for 3.3, the TID is promising.
I am supposed to be testing B17 for a couple weeks, but that doesn't stop me from working on DMSI. So you can take your break for 3.3 now, and I will get started officially tomorrow.
How soon after completing 3.3b will you start working on 3.3a?
3.3A and B will be built on consecutive days; each will take me 8 to 12 hours to build from script. I build them both back to back. I do not release them back to back, because that allows me to see how well I have accomplished the goals. The only difference between them is that one has the full script active, and one turns off the healing and clearing script.
Ideally, what I want to do is have 6G not require a H&C script, or have it integrated such that I can have only one "side" released without having the H&C bog down the progress. Only if that proves impossible to do will we continue having A & B sides. For now, they are probably still necessary.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 09-17-2018
(09-17-2018, 06:05 AM)THolt Wrote: @Shannon
How did your additional tests on Beast 17 go?
I have had limited opportunity to test B17 so far, and today I am probably not going to be testing, but observing after effects.
So far, some of the tests have been mind blowing, and some have been confusing as heck. I know it is doing things, but I can't always see what it's doing in the overt reactions of the tester.
I do know that some of the changes it is making are forcing more time to be taken than design spec allows at this time, at least with the testers I have for informal testing. Formal testing may prove to be a different ballgame, but I can't do formal testing at this time.
What this has led me to is the possibility that there is something I need to adjust or add to in P6. But right now, we are far from certain of anything with the results we have gotten, except that B17 is doing things differently than B16 did.
The design goals of Beast are twofold. One of them certainly seems to have been enhanced in how and how well it is achieved. The other I am not sure of yet. This is expected; Beast is a complex program, and understanding the results typically requires almost a month of testing. That's why I said I need at least a couple weeks.
What I can say is, I see the fear removal modules doing things. Some of them I can see, some of them I suspect, some of them I understand, some of them I don't. But they are having an effect, and I will probably be refining them by one iteration before I add them to DMSI 3.3, which was half the reason I wanted to test them first: my understanding of the concept behind the approach they are taking may need improvement, adjustment, refinement, or expansion.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - dissonance - 09-17-2018
(09-17-2018, 07:53 AM)Shannon Wrote:(09-16-2018, 05:05 PM)dissonance Wrote:(09-15-2018, 11:49 AM)Shannon Wrote:(09-15-2018, 10:50 AM)samba99 Wrote: Shannon,
When is the time to take a break for 3.3?
I am excited for 3.3, the TID is promising.
I am supposed to be testing B17 for a couple weeks, but that doesn't stop me from working on DMSI. So you can take your break for 3.3 now, and I will get started officially tomorrow.
How soon after completing 3.3b will you start working on 3.3a?
3.3A and B will be built on consecutive days; each will take me 8 to 12 hours to build from script. I build them both back to back. I do not release them back to back, because that allows me to see how well I have accomplished the goals. The only difference between them is that one has the full script active, and one turns off the healing and clearing script.
Ideally, what I want to do is have 6G not require a H&C script, or have it integrated such that I can have only one "side" released without having the H&C bog down the progress. Only if that proves impossible to do will we continue having A & B sides. For now, they are probably still necessary.
Ah okay
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Broski - 09-17-2018
(09-17-2018, 07:39 AM)Shannon Wrote:(09-16-2018, 10:42 AM)Broski Wrote: Hey Shannon,
I've been running US/LM B for 34 days now and have not yet been seeing the results i'm after. Ilve been experiencing a TON of fear and anxiety while running g this, almost verging on panic attacks on a few occasions and feeling like i'm losing my mind. A lot of different worries, negative thoughts and emotions coming up. I have also recently started trying to meditate more rigorously a little ways into the run so not sure if that might be part of it as well. Do you think I should keep going or try to switch to version A?
So the first thing is to remember that no matter what suggestions I offer you, you can follow the instructions and be eligible for a refund, or you can disregard them and give that up. That is a choice you must be the one to make.
I recommend that you start analyzing your reactions to understand what is causing them, where they come from and what their origins are.
If you keep having negative thoughts come up, what are those thoughts specifically? Those thoughts are going to be like arrows fired from the cause of the resistance and fear: they will by their very nature point you back to what caused them.
What are they telling you? Why would you be having those thoughts and responses? Why are you afraid of success? Is it success you're afraid of, or something that will result from success? What do these things tell you about the underlying fears and causes of your reactions to this program?
WHY are you afraid of succeeding?
It would help me help you to know more specifically what your negative reactions are.
Alright I will try to do my best in answering these for you. The first major negative thought thats been coming up is fear of focusing on negative thoughts and emotions and bringing more of those things into my life. Then when I think those thoughts or feel those emotions is cause more fear and anxiety, which causes more fear and anxiety, ect ect. Quite the vicious cycle . Ever since I took a psychology class in high school and learned about the power of the mind and specifically this part covering how people that thought they were sick even though they weren't ended up making themselves sick, I have feared the mind and using it against myself, as dumb as. As dumb as it may sound to some, it is a VERY real fear to me and I have suffered greatly from it. I had some anxiety over this the following summer, but once I was back at school it didn't really come up for awhile. Fast forward a few years later and seeing something on tv triggered this fear in me again and I went into major anxiety and panic attacks over it for many months. I developed different chronic tensions and pressures in my body that took my focus off the mind and made me think I had some sort of physical condition wrong with me. I went to a plethora of different doctors and they couldn't find anything wrong, so im pretty sure the anxiety is what lead to it. I still see these tensions and pressure to this day many years later. I think this is my main fear I have been experiencing though with different variations of it, and has lead to most of the other negative thoughts, emotions and fear I've had during this time. Some other negative recurring thoughts have been fear of going insane, and fear of losing control. Why I am having them in response to the program is maybe because the success oriented programming triggers them, like the fears are popping up saying "We cant think positively and successfully with all this deep rooted fear surrounding this issue" Maybe i'm afraid of anything changing with my mind because I fear the power of it so. I don't know, I have consciously thought of different things like this before about the issue, but have never seemed to be able to fully get over it. Hope that helps