(09-07-2018, 08:57 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-06-2018, 01:12 PM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(09-06-2018, 11:15 AM)lano1106 Wrote: To me, DMSI and SM3 achieve the same goal by taking different paths. I think that SM3 may have a strong appeal to some of us despite the old technologies because of the story/script that it is telling.

Yeah, what I like about SM is the fact that it empowers the man to do the job instead of waiting for the woman doing it. And I think there are other people who like that, too, even if it might not be necessary if DMSI succeeds.

SM doesn't empower you to do the job any more or less than DMSI does. It also doesn't make you wait for the woman to do it any more or less than DMSI does. It's furthering AM6, which is focusing you into a more active, masculine approach. But herein lies the rub:

Most of you associate "being a man" with "hunting woman". But who is more a man? A guy who goes to the gym, gets ripped and then goes out and hits on women, gives them the power by putting her in a position to reject or accept his advances, and then gets shot down 90%+ of the time, or the guy who doesn't go to the gym, isn't ripped, and has almost every attractive women doing tricks and making the moves to try to get him to **** them, while he goes about his life doing his thing and not worrying about women or sex?

The answer is that "which one is more a man" is a red herring. Neither is "more a man". But the guy who doesn't really try, but gets the attention, interest and sex anyway, is HIGHER VALUE, which is why he doesn't have to try.

The more you try, the lower your perceived value is to high value women. The less you try - while still interesting, attracting and getting the high value women, the higher your perceived value is to them.

Women want a man who is at least as valuable as they are, and preferably more so. You guys are all about going out and hunting them, and you go out and hunt them and try and try and try, and you peg yourself as not being at the very high levels of value by doing so. The harder he must try, the lower his value must be, she thinks. And that is instinctive for her. It may not even be something she is consciously aware of at all.

So a man who executes DMSI is always going to get swamped with interest because he is perceived as being so high value. He didn't have to do anything, and yet here these hot women are all noticing him, and noticing each other notice him, and competing for him. The only thing stopping you guys is...

1. You're stuck on the belief that "REAL men go hunt their pussy down", which makes you afraid to execute DMSI because you're worried that you can't approach while using DMSI (wrong), and not approaching makes you somehow less of a "real man", and
2. See #1.

(09-07-2018, 12:10 PM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(09-07-2018, 08:57 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-06-2018, 01:12 PM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(09-06-2018, 11:15 AM)lano1106 Wrote: To me, DMSI and SM3 achieve the same goal by taking different paths. I think that SM3 may have a strong appeal to some of us despite the old technologies because of the story/script that it is telling.

Yeah, what I like about SM is the fact that it empowers the man to do the job instead of waiting for the woman doing it. And I think there are other people who like that, too, even if it might not be necessary if DMSI succeeds.

SM doesn't empower you to do the job any more or less than DMSI does. It also doesn't make you wait for the woman to do it any more or less than DMSI does. It's furthering AM6, which is focusing you into a more active, masculine approach. But herein lies the rub:

Most of you associate "being a man" with "hunting woman". But who is more a man? A guy who goes to the gym, gets ripped and then goes out and hits on women, gives them the power by putting her in a position to reject or accept his advances, and then gets shot down 90%+ of the time, or the guy who doesn't go to the gym, isn't ripped, and has almost every attractive women doing tricks and making the moves to try to get him to **** them, while he goes about his life doing his thing and not worrying about women or sex?

The answer is that "which one is more a man" is a red herring. Neither is "more a man". But the guy who doesn't really try, but gets the attention, interest and sex anyway, is HIGHER VALUE, which is why he doesn't have to try.

The more you try, the lower your perceived value is to high value women. The less you try - while still interesting, attracting and getting the high value women, the higher your perceived value is to them.

Women want a man who is at least as valuable as they are, and preferably more so. You guys are all about going out and hunting them, and you go out and hunt them and try and try and try, and you peg yourself as not being at the very high levels of value by doing so. The harder he must try, the lower his value must be, she thinks. And that is instinctive for her. It may not even be something she is consciously aware of at all.

So a man who executes DMSI is always going to get swamped with interest because he is perceived as being so high value. He didn't have to do anything, and yet here these hot women are all noticing him, and noticing each other notice him, and competing for him. The only thing stopping you guys is...

1. You're stuck on the belief that "REAL men go hunt their pussy down", which makes you afraid to execute DMSI because you're worried that you can't approach while using DMSI (wrong), and not approaching makes you somehow less of a "real man", and
2. See #1.

I was just thinking that with SM the programming would rather become permanent than with DMSI and when using other subs I would be able to get some women even if I don't have the aura supporting me. That is my primary concern about it. And, I think you said it too once, it can be fun to go hunting even if you don't need to. But, anyway, if DMSI works SM becomes low priority either way. Still, when other important programs are upgraded doing a poll in regard to SM could be useful to see if people are interested in that sub at all and then decide.

(09-07-2018, 01:40 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: As for the "hunting" issue I think he already said it just a few post earlier DMSI even though its main thing is to have women approach you it "does not" stop you from hunting if you want to. For example:

"1. You're stuck on the belief that "REAL men go hunt their pussy down", which makes you afraid to execute DMSI because you're worried that you can't approach while using DMSI (wrong), and not approaching makes you somehow less of a "real man", and"

Point is the Aura for either program isn't going to be permanent and the non-aura parts are going to be permanent if you used the program long enough to make them permanent. DMSI doesn't "prevent" you from approaching for fun. Only difference seems to be the power of the programs and the fact that DMSI tries to use every approach possible to make your more attractive while SM only takes one particular approach.

(09-07-2018, 12:10 PM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(09-07-2018, 08:57 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-06-2018, 01:12 PM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(09-06-2018, 11:15 AM)lano1106 Wrote: To me, DMSI and SM3 achieve the same goal by taking different paths. I think that SM3 may have a strong appeal to some of us despite the old technologies because of the story/script that it is telling.

Yeah, what I like about SM is the fact that it empowers the man to do the job instead of waiting for the woman doing it. And I think there are other people who like that, too, even if it might not be necessary if DMSI succeeds.

SM doesn't empower you to do the job any more or less than DMSI does. It also doesn't make you wait for the woman to do it any more or less than DMSI does. It's furthering AM6, which is focusing you into a more active, masculine approach. But herein lies the rub:

Most of you associate "being a man" with "hunting woman". But who is more a man? A guy who goes to the gym, gets ripped and then goes out and hits on women, gives them the power by putting her in a position to reject or accept his advances, and then gets shot down 90%+ of the time, or the guy who doesn't go to the gym, isn't ripped, and has almost every attractive women doing tricks and making the moves to try to get him to **** them, while he goes about his life doing his thing and not worrying about women or sex?

The answer is that "which one is more a man" is a red herring. Neither is "more a man". But the guy who doesn't really try, but gets the attention, interest and sex anyway, is HIGHER VALUE, which is why he doesn't have to try.

The more you try, the lower your perceived value is to high value women. The less you try - while still interesting, attracting and getting the high value women, the higher your perceived value is to them.

Women want a man who is at least as valuable as they are, and preferably more so. You guys are all about going out and hunting them, and you go out and hunt them and try and try and try, and you peg yourself as not being at the very high levels of value by doing so. The harder he must try, the lower his value must be, she thinks. And that is instinctive for her. It may not even be something she is consciously aware of at all.

So a man who executes DMSI is always going to get swamped with interest because he is perceived as being so high value. He didn't have to do anything, and yet here these hot women are all noticing him, and noticing each other notice him, and competing for him. The only thing stopping you guys is...

1. You're stuck on the belief that "REAL men go hunt their pussy down", which makes you afraid to execute DMSI because you're worried that you can't approach while using DMSI (wrong), and not approaching makes you somehow less of a "real man", and
2. See #1.

I was just thinking that with SM the programming would rather become permanent than with DMSI and when using other subs I would be able to get some women even if I don't have the aura supporting me. That is my primary concern about it. And, I think you said it too once, it can be fun to go hunting even if you don't need to. But, anyway, if DMSI works SM becomes low priority either way. Still, when other important programs are upgraded doing a poll in regard to SM could be useful to see if people are interested in that sub at all and then decide.

(09-07-2018, 08:23 PM)thor2014 Wrote:

(09-07-2018, 12:10 PM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(09-07-2018, 08:57 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-06-2018, 01:12 PM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(09-06-2018, 11:15 AM)lano1106 Wrote: To me, DMSI and SM3 achieve the same goal by taking different paths. I think that SM3 may have a strong appeal to some of us despite the old technologies because of the story/script that it is telling.

Yeah, what I like about SM is the fact that it empowers the man to do the job instead of waiting for the woman doing it. And I think there are other people who like that, too, even if it might not be necessary if DMSI succeeds.

SM doesn't empower you to do the job any more or less than DMSI does. It also doesn't make you wait for the woman to do it any more or less than DMSI does. It's furthering AM6, which is focusing you into a more active, masculine approach. But herein lies the rub:

Most of you associate "being a man" with "hunting woman". But who is more a man? A guy who goes to the gym, gets ripped and then goes out and hits on women, gives them the power by putting her in a position to reject or accept his advances, and then gets shot down 90%+ of the time, or the guy who doesn't go to the gym, isn't ripped, and has almost every attractive women doing tricks and making the moves to try to get him to **** them, while he goes about his life doing his thing and not worrying about women or sex?

The answer is that "which one is more a man" is a red herring. Neither is "more a man". But the guy who doesn't really try, but gets the attention, interest and sex anyway, is HIGHER VALUE, which is why he doesn't have to try.

The more you try, the lower your perceived value is to high value women. The less you try - while still interesting, attracting and getting the high value women, the higher your perceived value is to them.

Women want a man who is at least as valuable as they are, and preferably more so. You guys are all about going out and hunting them, and you go out and hunt them and try and try and try, and you peg yourself as not being at the very high levels of value by doing so. The harder he must try, the lower his value must be, she thinks. And that is instinctive for her. It may not even be something she is consciously aware of at all.

So a man who executes DMSI is always going to get swamped with interest because he is perceived as being so high value. He didn't have to do anything, and yet here these hot women are all noticing him, and noticing each other notice him, and competing for him. The only thing stopping you guys is...

1. You're stuck on the belief that "REAL men go hunt their pussy down", which makes you afraid to execute DMSI because you're worried that you can't approach while using DMSI (wrong), and not approaching makes you somehow less of a "real man", and
2. See #1.

I was just thinking that with SM the programming would rather become permanent than with DMSI and when using other subs I would be able to get some women even if I don't have the aura supporting me. That is my primary concern about it. And, I think you said it too once, it can be fun to go hunting even if you don't need to. But, anyway, if DMSI works SM becomes low priority either way. Still, when other important programs are upgraded doing a poll in regard to SM could be useful to see if people are interested in that sub at all and then decide.

I think SM changes are permanent once the subliminal has been listened to enough times. In the case of DMSI i do not believe the aura is permanent as I am sure Shannon did say that it would be unhealthy to have the aura running on all the time. So once DMSi is stopped the aura will eventually dissipate.

(09-08-2018, 01:56 AM)thor2014 Wrote: I just wanted to add to my previous post. Shannon commented that the subconsuis mind is dynamic and the old deep rooted belief may come back hence its important to carry out several runs of SM. Perhaps repeated runs of the refresher stage 7. Despite what Shannon says my personal experiences DMSI feels like a diluted version of SM. As I said these are my PERSONAL EXPERIENCES I am not hear to debate that DMSI is light years ahead of SM or SM is primitive to DMSI.

(09-08-2018, 02:03 AM)Nox Wrote:

(09-08-2018, 01:56 AM)thor2014 Wrote: I just wanted to add to my previous post. Shannon commented that the subconsuis mind is dynamic and the old deep rooted belief may come back hence its important to carry out several runs of SM. Perhaps repeated runs of the refresher stage 7. Despite what Shannon says my personal experiences DMSI feels like a diluted version of SM. As I said these are my PERSONAL EXPERIENCES I am not hear to debate that DMSI is light years ahead of SM or SM is primitive to DMSI.

This isnt meant to be mean, and I'm happy you're happy with your progress, but I dont think you realize that you're saying basically the same things now while running sm as you were before you ever started it.

Deep rooted issues indeed.

(09-07-2018, 09:20 AM)lano1106 Wrote:

(09-07-2018, 08:34 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-06-2018, 11:15 AM)lano1106 Wrote: Shannon,

To me, DMSI and SM3 achieve the same goal by taking different paths. I think that SM3 may have a strong appeal to some of us despite the old technologies because of the story/script that it is telling.

This is subjective but there is no doubt in my mind that products that you created 4-5 years ago are still awesome and passing the test of time.

More technology advances isn't always better. The original Star Wars trilogy is using 40 years old technology but they are still my favorite SW movies despite all the SFX candies that Disney can throw in the newest movies...

Sex Magnet is designed to achieve sex with women whenever you like, and whichever one you like, and DMSI is designed to achieve the same thing with the exception that it adjusts its target to whatever you find most sexually attractive gender-wise.

Sex Magnet is using a very strong focus on and into masculinity and raw sexual energy and focus to achieve it's goals. DMSI is using every possible method, technique, technology and option to achieve its goals.

Sex Magnet aims to cause you to be so sexually attractive that women will throw themselves at you, but it doesn't stop you from approaching. DMSI aims to cause you to be so sexually attractive that whoever you most want to have sex with will throw themselves at you, but it doesn't stop you from approaching.

More advanced technology is always better. That's because it is more advanced. And comparing the garbage they call Star Wars since Disney bought the franchise to DMSI and the original Star Wars movies to SM3 is an absolute non-sequitur, because logically, the newer Star Wars movies are only worse than the originals because they were highjacked by SJW ***** artists. The logic that follows for comparison to your analogy would be if I sold IML to someone who wanted to turn my products into a SJW propaganda machine, and that person had no understanding of the way I create my works or why I do them the way I do.

The only issue you guys have with DMSI is that you're afraid of it and/or what it is attempting to achieve. Mainly because it actually can achieve those goals if you don't fight it, and your fears come from achieving those goals, which is why you need DMSI in the first place. Your fears prevented you from achieving those goals!

A lot of you also seem to have fear of vagina, fear of gay people, and fear of change in general.

DMSI will not make you gay or bisexual. But if you have some fears about those subjects that are preventing you from achieving the goals of DMSI, you will start working on healing, processing and clearing them, and that can result in what some of you are calling "gay dreams".

Some of you are very afraid of women. I honestly don't blame you. But as I said before, in life, you attract and experience whatever you attune yourself to via what you believe to be true. So fearing women is based on beliefs that lead to you fearing women. Those beliefs attract women who perpetuate the fear of women, and it becomes a vicious cycle. Change those beliefs and you change the type of women you are attuned to, and what you attract into your life.

For decades, I only attracted women who would lie, cheat, steal, use me for sex and money and transport, abuse me in various ways, degrade me, character assassinate me, betray me, etc. One day I realized that this was not "their fault", it was what I was attracting again and again. So I started trying to figure out how and why, and what I realized was that my mother had raised me to always be helpless so she could always have that adorable little 4 year old boy who was scared and helpless to be there for, take care of and protect. I was looking for a mommy to take care of me, protect me and "save me". When I looked at what that was resulting in, I realized that I deserve better than to be treated the way those women were treating me, so I changed the beliefs that were resulting in those choices. Ever since then, I have had women who are much more worthwhile and trustworthy. Now I have a woman who I can trust to be honest with me, faithful to me, never do drugs or betray me, and who will be here in my life for as long as I allow her to be. Which, since that is what I have been looking for all my life, will be forever.

What changed was that I overcame my fears. That changed beliefs of what was true to reject the women I had previously been willing to accept, and attract and accept the women I actually wanted. I attuned myself differently through changing my beliefs. Your beliefs lead to your point of view, choices, actions and results in life. You can see the fruits of your beliefs by looking at what you experience in life.

And for those of you afraid of change, well change is inevitable. You change all the time, whether or not you want to or like it. So does the world around you. Change is the only constant in this universe. It is 100% inevitable and unavoidable. Fast or slow, it happens regardless of what you do to stop it.

The difference between SM and DMSI is that SM isn't strong enough to really achieve it's goals as well, as quickly or as fully as DMSI is. That fact triggers whatever part of your subconscious has put you where you are to experience fear, because in fact the goal is going to be achieved unless you do something to stop it. That fear triggers self sabotage behaviors, which result in failing to achieve the goal. That is not DMSI's fault. It's just not yet advanced enough to deal with those fears and prevent the sabotage that prevents the goals. But without that sabotage, you would be able to clearly see that SM3 is on Level 1 and DMSI is on Level 10.

I am going to be building B17 in a day or two, and then we will get our first taste of the new fear removal module.

Which, by the way, I strongly suspect I am already seeing TID from in my regular testers, as they have begun repeatedly doing things they normally do not do, in the direction Beast is trying to go.

SM isn't as powerful, and certainly isn't more powerful. It's just less scary because it's not as likely to achieve the goal, and the subconscious can more easily regulate it's level of execution.

Shannon,

thank you very very much for the detailed answer.

Ok, my SW analogy wasn't very good. I didn't meant to compare DMSI to the Disney SJW crap.

The point that I was trying to make was that some movies despite showing their age are still absolutely awesome today. but maybe the analogy doesn't hold when it comes to subliminals where more advanced is always better.

You have something correct about me. I think that I resist changes. I kept my first car 18 years and this is only 1 example among many other situations where I resist change.

BUT I also know that when I am really fed up with a situation, I am very capable of changing it.

So I guess there is hope for me ;-)

Despite all the reasons you provided for why DMSI is better than SM, I am very stubborn and I think that I'll need to see it for myself to be convinced... I am very attracted to try out SM3 because:

1. masculinity and raw sexual energy are exactly the traits that I want to focus on rather than be adaptative and flexible to any attractive target

perharps at the end of the journey, I will conclude that you were right but if I am not doing it, I will always have the dangling question: What would have happen if I did run SM3...

(09-07-2018, 09:34 AM)lano1106 Wrote:

(09-07-2018, 08:57 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-06-2018, 01:12 PM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(09-06-2018, 11:15 AM)lano1106 Wrote: To me, DMSI and SM3 achieve the same goal by taking different paths. I think that SM3 may have a strong appeal to some of us despite the old technologies because of the story/script that it is telling.

Yeah, what I like about SM is the fact that it empowers the man to do the job instead of waiting for the woman doing it. And I think there are other people who like that, too, even if it might not be necessary if DMSI succeeds.

SM doesn't empower you to do the job any more or less than DMSI does. It also doesn't make you wait for the woman to do it any more or less than DMSI does. It's furthering AM6, which is focusing you into a more active, masculine approach. But herein lies the rub:

Most of you associate "being a man" with "hunting woman". But who is more a man? A guy who goes to the gym, gets ripped and then goes out and hits on women, gives them the power by putting her in a position to reject or accept his advances, and then gets shot down 90%+ of the time, or the guy who doesn't go to the gym, isn't ripped, and has almost every attractive women doing tricks and making the moves to try to get him to **** them, while he goes about his life doing his thing and not worrying about women or sex?

The answer is that "which one is more a man" is a red herring. Neither is "more a man". But the guy who doesn't really try, but gets the attention, interest and sex anyway, is HIGHER VALUE, which is why he doesn't have to try.

The more you try, the lower your perceived value is to high value women. The less you try - while still interesting, attracting and getting the high value women, the higher your perceived value is to them.

Women want a man who is at least as valuable as they are, and preferably more so. You guys are all about going out and hunting them, and you go out and hunt them and try and try and try, and you peg yourself as not being at the very high levels of value by doing so. The harder he must try, the lower his value must be, she thinks. And that is instinctive for her. It may not even be something she is consciously aware of at all.

So a man who executes DMSI is always going to get swamped with interest because he is perceived as being so high value. He didn't have to do anything, and yet here these hot women are all noticing him, and noticing each other notice him, and competing for him. The only thing stopping you guys is...

1. You're stuck on the belief that "REAL men go hunt their pussy down", which makes you afraid to execute DMSI because you're worried that you can't approach while using DMSI (wrong), and not approaching makes you somehow less of a "real man", and
2. See #1.

Quote:Regarding DMSI and subs in general I realized today that I somehow don't trust the subconscious to do the job correctly, that's why I feel the need to be in control and I noticed on several occasions that I try to influence the aura consciously. Or some different things on different subs.

Which obviously works, right? Because you're drowning in pussy using that method, right? And the subconscious doesn't downright dwarf the conscious mind in terms of awareness, ability, capacity and capability. Which is why we need subs to begin with.

You can't sabotage yourself and get results.

This is one a very well cool post that I have seen you post about what being a man and how it relates with success with women.

I think that I really get that 'hunting women' isn't something that a high-status man would do, or have to do and I aspire to be that.

Quote:For me, running the AM6/SM3 programs or DMSI has never be something that I do to get women. It has always been ALL about me and becoming more masculine.

To understand why, I'm going to share some very personal shit. My parents got divorced when I was 6 years old and I have been raised by my feminist mother. My childhood was in the 80s. I had no great masculine model to copy either around me or in the medias.

I remember my childhood movies like Back To the Future. The movies are great but Michael J. Fox is the ultimate AFC when it comes to women.

I have been pretty much on my own for my whole life to define what being a man means. My feminist mother and society did throw a bunch BS at me that didn't help me at all. One consequence of that education and how it made me become is that I have never been as popular as I wished to be with women

I feel that I have done great so far but I still feel that I could be even 'more' alpha. This is the weak point that I am looking to address with AM6/SM3 and it is much more than just getting pussies... It is to become a better man and I feel, that I will better served with AM6/SM3 than with just DMSI...