(08-16-2018, 09:38 PM)thor2014 Wrote:

(08-16-2018, 06:14 AM)Darkness Wrote: @Have at ye

Another is the he is that nice. And unfortunately subconsciously women perceive it as weakness. Hence when you care too much, show too much emotion. She assumes you’re a bitch. If you ignore her to the extent of extinction. She respects you because she’s like “oh, he HAS backbone, cute”

On her end it could be self esteem issues or worse, he needs to what he isn’t: more abusive.

Unfortunately very few women actually like honesty/sincerity. Or else we wouldn’t need these subs change or suppress certain traits in us.

We’ve all been ourselves prior to subs, who could we pretend to be. Flaws and all. That’s probably why he asked why she’s heading for anywhere but with him.

Thankyou for everyone's valuable insights on my friend. To conclude DMSI would be the best option ?. He admits he has self esteem issues and when he looks in the mirror he says he doesnt think he is that great looking.

(08-17-2018, 12:31 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote:

(08-16-2018, 09:38 PM)thor2014 Wrote:

(08-16-2018, 06:14 AM)Darkness Wrote: @Have at ye

Another is the he is that nice. And unfortunately subconsciously women perceive it as weakness. Hence when you care too much, show too much emotion. She assumes you’re a bitch. If you ignore her to the extent of extinction. She respects you because she’s like “oh, he HAS backbone, cute”

On her end it could be self esteem issues or worse, he needs to what he isn’t: more abusive.

Unfortunately very few women actually like honesty/sincerity. Or else we wouldn’t need these subs change or suppress certain traits in us.

We’ve all been ourselves prior to subs, who could we pretend to be. Flaws and all. That’s probably why he asked why she’s heading for anywhere but with him.

Thankyou for everyone's valuable insights on my friend. To conclude DMSI would be the best option ?. He admits he has self esteem issues and when he looks in the mirror he says he doesnt think he is that great looking.

How about he gives a shot at Emotional Healing first? I had and still have a lot of issues that DMSI A didn't resolve, and I don't see much people growing either after years of runs of DMSI. IMO if I were him I'd rather run E2 a few months than maybe jump the DMSI A train.
SE is a good sub too, I did feel this one, but E2 seems overall a better choice.
Also, I hope you'll make him understand that no amount of subliminal will make him change unless he really takes the decision to change.

(08-16-2018, 06:10 PM)Darkness Wrote:

(08-16-2018, 03:47 PM)MasterEnki Wrote:

(08-16-2018, 06:14 AM)Darkness Wrote: @Have at ye

Another is the he is that nice. And unfortunately subconsciously women perceive it as weakness. Hence when you care too much, show too much emotion. She assumes you’re a bitch. If you ignore her to the extent of extinction. She respects you because she’s like “oh, he HAS backbone, cute”

On her end it could be self esteem issues or worse, he needs to what he isn’t: more abusive.

Unfortunately very few women actually like honesty/sincerity. Or else we wouldn’t need these subs change or suppress certain traits in us.

We’ve all been ourselves prior to subs, who could we pretend to be. Flaws and all. That’s probably why he asked why she’s heading for anywhere but with him.

My experience has been that when I ignore women, they ignore me back.

When I’m nice to women, they generally act friendlier towards me, and start conversations with me.

Also, I have reached ‘first base’ (them kissing me) with 4 different women, all of whom I was nice and friendly towards before they kissed me. They all made the move on me. They all knew me for several months / years beforehand. But no sex though.

Three of them seem to have lost interest (are with someone else - I personally know their new boyfriends). And one says she wants to sleep with me, but can’t due to crappy circumstances. I’m keeping in contact with all of them as ‘just friends’ because circumstances change over time and you never know, and maybe I will meet someone new through them.


I think different people have different experiences, and what works for one person, doesn’t work for someone else.


Edit: My friend (who has slept with quite a few women) suggested that hanging with women as ‘just friends’ is good, since it is ‘social proof’.


Also, changed a few words to make it clearer and easier to read. Added a paragraph.

I used to be nice now I’m more distant. You I have to say have been lucky not to have to deal with shitty behavior from them while you were being social and well mannered. I ignore girls if I’m friendly and chill to them and they start to blank like I’ve said nothing or insult me without cause.

I’ve had this instant happen a couple times, out of the blue. Yet guys they like who play games and are fake af, even he puts through hell she’ll not only stay but smile as well. And even clutch to that type of slimy dude harder and even respect him.
The dude isn’t even remotely like that will get kicked to the curb, he’s gonna have suck it up.

So yeah as much as I don’t like it. I’m really skeptical and a little abusive to them. Having a Even little more respect and consideration than she has for herself is not good.

You’re friend is right. Though I’ll that if she’s a friend that you both have chemistry because it’s funnest that way. And not the motivation for social proof for social proof sake, it’s actually genuine that way and not fake. Plus female friends with real genuine chemistry is rare and really more enjoyable for me than dude friends, for me.

(08-16-2018, 03:05 PM)CatMan Wrote: I've used the program for two years, since V2.2. Was the funny/nice/charming guy, still am viewed as such. Don't see any sexual attraction from women, no sexual escalation from them. I either have gotten LJBF, or excuses when asking them out and trying to take initiative because they weren't approaching me like design goal so I tried to do something. Or ghosting me when I'd text them to go out if I had their number. Clearly not high value, or sexually attractive. Even after two years of listening. Never mind my old SM3 run etc. I guess it's no surprise why I basically don't bother anymore with women, now that I went back and read that.

Makes it hard to get behind the program to be honest, not seeing anything happen to me in reality, after two years, that makes me stop and say "wow, this thing is for real!". It's why I'm still very skeptical of it. Since it can't change our physical appearance and face to be a "hot guy", not sure what it does to somehow make women we are attracted to, attracted to us. No idea how that exactly is supposed to work in reality. How it "knows" what girls we like, and makes them like us as much as we like them. It still seems very late night infomercially to me, lol. No idea how that happens. I always seem to say "we'll see, when I run the next version" over and over, but...we'll see what happens when I run the next version!

(08-17-2018, 01:42 AM)Zeroxmachina Wrote:

(08-16-2018, 03:05 PM)CatMan Wrote: I've used the program for two years, since V2.2. Was the funny/nice/charming guy, still am viewed as such. Don't see any sexual attraction from women, no sexual escalation from them. I either have gotten LJBF, or excuses when asking them out and trying to take initiative because they weren't approaching me like design goal so I tried to do something. Or ghosting me when I'd text them to go out if I had their number. Clearly not high value, or sexually attractive. Even after two years of listening. Never mind my old SM3 run etc. I guess it's no surprise why I basically don't bother anymore with women, now that I went back and read that.

Makes it hard to get behind the program to be honest, not seeing anything happen to me in reality, after two years, that makes me stop and say "wow, this thing is for real!". It's why I'm still very skeptical of it. Since it can't change our physical appearance and face to be a "hot guy", not sure what it does to somehow make women we are attracted to, attracted to us. No idea how that exactly is supposed to work in reality. How it "knows" what girls we like, and makes them like us as much as we like them. It still seems very late night infomercially to me, lol. No idea how that happens. I always seem to say "we'll see, when I run the next version" over and over, but...we'll see what happens when I run the next version!

Most of the dudes in this forum don't understand women at all. They don't care about looks, they care about the way things make them feel. An 'attractive' guy is attractive because his physical attributes make a woman feel some type of way that's positive on a primal level, 'good hunter/good gatherer/leadership' etc. With very little exception, an average looking guy (myself for instance) is capable of generating similar feelings or emotions within women, regardless whether they'd normally consider me their type, I exclusively have hardly ever had the benefit of using physical characteristics, it's about the energy you project, learning how to push back, how to pull, and basically navigating what is a rather complex landscape. Don't let people tell you that you need to become an asshole, no figure out how to be yourself in a way that's interesting, how to embody your personal essence in a way that attracts what it is you're looking for. Of course it's easier for tall,buff dudes, that's animal stuff, we have the ability to use our higher brain functions to give us an edge. Everyone has a shortcoming, yet in all actuality those are simply excuses. I think the first thing to do would be figuring out what it is you're passionate about, and figure out how to either meet females that have the same passion, or figure out how to express yourself in an interesting way about it in an engaging way. This would be a good start, the simple fact is, most dudes can't hold a conversation to save their lives, but again women are MENTAL, they require time and elbow grease yo~, but if you're looking for quality and companionship, what have you got to lose?

And let me make another point that people who don't actually understand female psyches probably miss, women will directly rationalize their attraction to THEMSELVES, whether or not those reasons are actually based in reality. Once it's there, its there. I've met women that like big guys, as in not muscular big but actually chubby dudes, why? "He is like a big teddy bear", or guys who are overly hairy, "It's manly for a guy to have a hairy chest", the key is in reality it doesn't actually matter about the guy's characteristics, they simply justify their attraction for whoever makes them feel attracted. Period. So here's what i'd say to anyone having trouble, figure out what makes you 'special' and learn how to channel that, it's your angle. You don't need money, height, or good looks to get laid, you simply need to be interesting in a way that stimulates a woman's mind, and having a bit of an edge helps, but again, the key is finding your natural way of representing your own primal self. Self-awareness is key to basically anything. That's my two cents on it, let it marinate.

(08-17-2018, 01:42 AM)Zeroxmachina Wrote:

(08-16-2018, 03:05 PM)CatMan Wrote: I've used the program for two years, since V2.2. Was the funny/nice/charming guy, still am viewed as such. Don't see any sexual attraction from women, no sexual escalation from them. I either have gotten LJBF, or excuses when asking them out and trying to take initiative because they weren't approaching me like design goal so I tried to do something. Or ghosting me when I'd text them to go out if I had their number. Clearly not high value, or sexually attractive. Even after two years of listening. Never mind my old SM3 run etc. I guess it's no surprise why I basically don't bother anymore with women, now that I went back and read that.

Makes it hard to get behind the program to be honest, not seeing anything happen to me in reality, after two years, that makes me stop and say "wow, this thing is for real!". It's why I'm still very skeptical of it. Since it can't change our physical appearance and face to be a "hot guy", not sure what it does to somehow make women we are attracted to, attracted to us. No idea how that exactly is supposed to work in reality. How it "knows" what girls we like, and makes them like us as much as we like them. It still seems very late night infomercially to me, lol. No idea how that happens. I always seem to say "we'll see, when I run the next version" over and over, but...we'll see what happens when I run the next version!

Most of the dudes in this forum don't understand women at all. They don't care about looks, they care about the way things make them feel. An 'attractive' guy is attractive because his physical attributes make a woman feel some type of way that's positive on a primal level, 'good hunter/good gatherer/leadership' etc. With very little exception, an average looking guy (myself for instance) is capable of generating similar feelings or emotions within women, regardless whether they'd normally consider me their type, I exclusively have hardly ever had the benefit of using physical characteristics, it's about the energy you project, learning how to push back, how to pull, and basically navigating what is a rather complex landscape. Don't let people tell you that you need to become an asshole, no figure out how to be yourself in a way that's interesting, how to embody your personal essence in a way that attracts what it is you're looking for. Of course it's easier for tall,buff dudes, that's animal stuff, we have the ability to use our higher brain functions to give us an edge. Everyone has a shortcoming, yet in all actuality those are simply excuses. I think the first thing to do would be figuring out what it is you're passionate about, and figure out how to either meet females that have the same passion, or figure out how to express yourself in an interesting way about it in an engaging way. This would be a good start, the simple fact is, most dudes can't hold a conversation to save their lives, but again women are MENTAL, they require time and elbow grease yo~, but if you're looking for quality and companionship, what have you got to lose?

And let me make another point that people who don't actually understand female psyches probably miss, women will directly rationalize their attraction to THEMSELVES, whether or not those reasons are actually based in reality. Once it's there, its there. I've met women that like big guys, as in not muscular big but actually chubby dudes, why? "He is like a big teddy bear", or guys who are overly hairy, "It's manly for a guy to have a hairy chest", the key is in reality it doesn't actually matter about the guy's characteristics, they simply justify their attraction for whoever makes them feel attracted. Period. So here's what i'd say to anyone having trouble, figure out what makes you 'special' and learn how to channel that, it's your angle. You don't need money, height, or good looks to get laid, you simply need to be interesting in a way that stimulates a woman's mind, and having a bit of an edge helps, but again, the key is finding your natural way of representing your own primal self. Self-awareness is key to basically anything. That's my two cents on it, let it marinate.

Quote:They don't care about looks, they care about the way things make them feel. An 'attractive' guy is attractive because his physical attributes make a woman feel some type of way that's positive on a primal level

(08-17-2018, 04:29 AM)thor2014 Wrote: Charisma and confidence do play a role in attracting hot women. However the two main factors that get women to sleep with you are status and looks. Charisma and confidence with women are icing on the cake.

Status + Looks = No need to talk so much I have already decided I want to sleep with you.

I have a far easier time sleeping with hotties in the balkans because I am an expat and seen as high value plus I have a latino look which stands out a mile away. All the rest of the guys are caucasian which makes up this homogenous gene pool.

If I was in London it would not be easy to sleep with the hottest women. I mean its not impossible but alot more difficult. Despite me having the confidence and charisma.