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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shawn - 08-16-2018

(08-15-2018, 04:56 PM)Benjamin Wrote:
(08-15-2018, 11:32 AM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:
(08-15-2018, 09:17 AM)RTBoss Wrote:
(08-14-2018, 06:25 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: Today I was reading about the UK Student Loan system and when lots of percentages and numbers flooded the article (wasnt really a flood though, more of a trickle to be honest), I became a little hesistant/mildly overwhelmed.

So I wondered, does MLS have anything to help with maths?

If it does not, can @Shannon perhaps think of making something to help with MATHS and perhaps add it to IYGSH or a sub to help with school as well as MLS? - I dont need it now since ill be starting UM/OP soon, just something for the future.

thanks

MLS is geared toward learning. If you want to learn about math, and be better at math, then your focus will shift to math. Over time, your math will improve.

That's why MLS is so intriguing to me - you can use it to learn about whatever subject matter you wish.

I specifically made the suggestion to implement the Study Aid: Mathematics into MLS when it was made. I don't know in which way it found its way into this sub but as RTB said, it is an learning aid for EVERYTHING.

It wouldn't really make sense to have the study aid for maths in MLS as not everyone wants that. But yes of course you can apply it to anything. When I used the 4g version I had the intent for learning certain things and it definately helped with those.

I pretty much avoid maths since school though. Big Grin

Oh, I don't think the script was put in directly, I just think it was something implemented that makes easier to learn abstract and complex things like math also.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - thor2014 - 08-16-2018

Shannon a friend of mine gets attached to women very easily and then they seem to run away. What I would like to do is for you to make a recommendation on which sub he should be buying from you I am guessing DMSI but I wanted to pass this by you first.

When they run away and he asks whats wrong. The girls say they are not use to a guy being so nice to them ?. He has read lots of PUA stuff and seems to know alot from the intellectual standpoint however he still has this problem.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Have at ye - 08-16-2018

(08-16-2018, 04:52 AM)thor2014 Wrote: Shannon a friend of mine gets attached to women very easily and then they seem to run away. What I would like to do is for you to make a recommendation on which sub he should be buying from you I am guessing DMSI but I wanted to pass this by you first.

When they run away and he asks whats wrong. The girls say they are not use to a guy being so nice to them ?. He has read lots of PUA stuff and seems to know alot from the intellectual standpoint however he still has this problem.

Sounds like an attachment issue. The guy can even understand the problem intellectually, but might find himself helpless to stop from acting like this due to unconscious drives he is unaware of. I'd recommend either DMSI ver. A or the Alpha Male Kit (although I haven't used it personally, people and Shannon do seem to recommend it for issues of this ilk).

[EDIT: Also, the girls "not being used to a guy being so nice to them" is a cop-out answer, and far from the truth. He's simply acting in a way which screams "this man is not the kind of man he was pretending to be,", which is one hell of a turn-off for women, probably due to his use of PUA]

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Raz - 08-16-2018

(08-14-2018, 06:25 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: Today I was reading about the UK Student Loan system and when lots of percentages and numbers flooded the article (wasnt really a flood though, more of a trickle to be honest), I became a little hesistant/mildly overwhelmed.

So I wondered, does MLS have anything to help with maths?

If it does not, can @Shannon perhaps think of making something to help with MATHS and perhaps add it to IYGSH or a sub to help with school as well as MLS? - I dont need it now since ill be starting UM/OP soon, just something for the future.

thanks

How about reading the description page of MLS first before asking redundant questions? You know, like trying to be self-sufficient and stuff?

Quote:56. Develop and improve your verbal intelligence, mathematical ability, spatial reasoning skills, visual and perceptual skills, classification skills, logical reasoning skills and pattern recognition skills.

...

95. Improve comprehension and understanding of mathematics, language arts, history, science and whatever other subject you need or want to learn.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Darkness - 08-16-2018

@Have at ye

Another is the he is that nice. And unfortunately subconsciously women perceive it as weakness. Hence when you care too much, show too much emotion. She assumes you’re a bitch. If you ignore her to the extent of extinction. She respects you because she’s like “oh, he HAS backbone, cute”

On her end it could be self esteem issues or worse, he needs to what he isn’t: more abusive.

Unfortunately very few women actually like honesty/sincerity. Or else we wouldn’t need these subs change or suppress certain traits in us.

We’ve all been ourselves prior to subs, who could we pretend to be. Flaws and all. That’s probably why he asked why she’s heading for anywhere but with him.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Have at ye - 08-16-2018

(08-16-2018, 06:14 AM)Darkness Wrote: @Have at ye

Another is the he is that nice. And unfortunately subconsciously women perceive it as weakness. Hence when you care too much, show too much emotion. She assumes you’re a bitch. If you ignore her to the extent of extinction. She respects you because she’s like “oh, he HAS backbone, cute”

On her end it could be self esteem issues or worse, he needs to what he isn’t: more abusive.

Unfortunately very few women actually like honesty/sincerity. Or else we wouldn’t need these subs change or suppress certain traits in us.

TBH I believe that females only perceive being "nice" as weakness if you're being, well, servile - especially when your motivation is either "I need to be nice to have sex with her" or "I need to be nice because I'm totally worried she'll leave me if I'm not", or suchlike. Basically, anything that says "I'm playing nice because I'm a well-behaved kid and if I'm nice and obedient, then mommy will give me treats maybe!" Wink Also, it can come off as totally creepy and needy because of that factor.

I wouldn't say that the answer is "being abusive", but I guess what you're driving at is "having a backbone". There's a difference.

I also disagree about honesty/sincerity, but I currently do not have the inclination to go into the topic in depth.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Darkness - 08-16-2018

(08-16-2018, 06:28 AM)Have at ye Wrote: [quote='Darkness' pid='203490' dateline='1534428888']
@Have at ye

Another is the he is that nice. And unfortunately subconsciously women perceive it as weakness. Hence when you care too much, show too much emotion. She assumes you’re a bitch. If you ignore her to the extent of extinction. She respects you because she’s like “oh, he HAS backbone, cute”

On her end it could be self esteem issues or worse, he needs to what he isn’t: more abusive.

Unfortunately very few women actually like honesty/sincerity. Or else we wouldn’t need these subs change or suppress certain traits in us.

TBH I believe that females only perceive being "nice" as weakness if you're being, well, servile - especially when your motivation is either "I need to be nice to have sex with her" or "I need to be nice because I'm totally worried she'll leave me if I'm not", or suchlike. Basically, anything that says "I'm playing nice because I'm a well-behaved kid and if I'm nice and obedient, then mommy will give me treats maybe!" Wink Also, it can come off as totally creepy and needy because of that factor. [\quote]

Niceness when it’s caring too much, which isn’t the this for that scenario will still turn her off. Also take into consideration the tactic of finding commonality to ingratiate. That’s kind creepy, because it’s a manufactured affinity not an unconscious hence sincere.

What’s needy exactly?
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I wouldn't say that the answer is "being abusive", but I guess what you're driving at is "having a backbone". There's a difference.
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Having a backbone, also requires one to go from lack of sympathy to down right apathetic and remorselessly firm. Whether it’s standing up to her when she bullshits you and tries make feel bad for enforcement of boundaries just to see if you fall for fake woe is me routine. Thus lending you to having be abusive by disregarding her crying through indifference.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Have at ye - 08-16-2018

Heh, we're arguing about words. Not allowing someone to be emotionally abusive towards you (by, as in the example you've given, trying to guilt you into doing something or acting a given way through crocodile tears) is not abusive - I'd say it's healthy! Big Grin

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - DarkPlouf - 08-16-2018

(08-16-2018, 04:52 AM)thor2014 Wrote: Shannon a friend of mine gets attached to women very easily and then they seem to run away. What I would like to do is for you to make a recommendation on which sub he should be buying from you I am guessing DMSI but I wanted to pass this by you first.

When they run away and he asks whats wrong. The girls say they are not use to a guy being so nice to them ?. He has read lots of PUA stuff and seems to know alot from the intellectual standpoint however he still has this problem.
That brings back memories Tongue.
When he'll understand the true meaning of pain he'll stop that behavior right away. That's the only thing that killed my neediness and exaggerated attachment to women back when I was way dumber than now.
Pain is the greatest teacher, they say.

If I knew subs at this time I'd have ran E or E2 I think.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Catman - 08-16-2018

(08-16-2018, 10:34 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote:
(08-16-2018, 04:52 AM)thor2014 Wrote: Shannon a friend of mine gets attached to women very easily and then they seem to run away. What I would like to do is for you to make a recommendation on which sub he should be buying from you I am guessing DMSI but I wanted to pass this by you first.

When they run away and he asks whats wrong. The girls say they are not use to a guy being so nice to them ?. He has read lots of PUA stuff and seems to know alot from the intellectual standpoint however he still has this problem.
That brings back memories Tongue.
When he'll understand the true meaning of pain he'll stop that behavior right away. That's the only thing that killed my neediness and exaggerated attachment to women back when I was way dumber than now.
Pain is the greatest teacher, they say.

If I knew subs at this time I'd have ran E or E2 I think.

Seriously, sounds like me for 99% of my life, lol :/. To be 100% real. Sounds very much like my history with women.

The last year or so I seem to have gone the opposite way, with the "IDGAF" almost being too much now, inhibiting any real interest and making me not bother mostly. Or, what I believe is more likely, what has set in is just a general fatigue with the effort spent on women for zero return, with failure with them. And coming to the conclusion the juice isn't worth the squeeze to me anymore so losing mass interest in women and limiting their previous overarching influence over my feelings and perception of myself. Could be a good thing, a "level up", depending on how you look at it. As "IDGAF" seems to be a part of attraction weirdly. I've often seemingly been penalised with low or zero interest by women for treating them well. With guys, once and awhile you misjudge and do something for a guy that ends up being an ungrateful loser, but usually I find dudes are appreciative. This seems to be a localised women problem. So I've had to adapt my behaviour with them to try to prevent it, isn't easy to do. I try my best.

I do know they are nowhere near the focus for me they used to be, I believe it boils down to one of the two scenarios above. I lean towards the second one, seems to "fit" my feelings about women more. Some kind of feeling of futility. We'll see if V3.3 can shake things loose or not for this. I admit, I'm not a believer in the program yet. Who knows what will happen.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - DarkPlouf - 08-16-2018

I hear you CatMan, and I understand you. Past a point, I've become tired and fed up with that situation.
But for me, I've also this fear of getting hurt. Because the last time I got involved with a girl I destroyed myself. Still, to this day I consider it the greatest error of my life. Life took something from me past that point and I stopped feeling wholesome.
Also, ain't done healed yet. Crazy.
I'm half happy and half sad about this situation. Because trough that experience I've learned to behave myself. I mean there's no way after that stuff I'd still play Mr Nice Guy. Like hell I'd care again about women as much as I did back then.
Now I'm more into the "Eh, whatever" side of things. The last time I tried to date was...when? Last year maybe. It looks like I've redirected my emotional attachment elsewhere because I've been genuinely interested in connecting with people now. Having fun with genuine no BS people I can relate with. It seems like I'm filling my emotional health quota that way.
Kudo to my brain for finding that escape IMO. That seems way healthier than chasing pussies again.
Wouldn't that be great if we could redirect emotional fulfillment to...let's say, eating donuts? Man, at least that's easier to get :p.
So yeah, well, I kinda share that same IDGAF feeling. I still don't know if that's a good thing or not. On one hand, I stopped depending so heavily on something unattainable, but on another hand that sounds like giving up, right? But I'm definitely happier now so maybe that was the right choice.

About DMSI I believe it can achieve its goal for some people and thanks to maybe some crazy synchronicities. That can happen. It has manifestations modules after all. Well, for being a LOA guy it's more believable to me.
However, what I do not think can really happen, is DMSI totally and deeply transforming someone into an irresistible sexual being. With all the corresponding components (attitude, looks, social circle, ect). Idk why but it's more believable to me to manifest women at certain points in time rather than being fully transformed.
Maybe because from my experience, all attempt to alter my personality traits resulted in shallow results. Even from DMSI the new traits where shallow. Feeling good while listening to the sub and then step out and feel like shit :x.
Even on the physical side. Hit the gym, and eat like a pig to hopefully put some weight, work the hell out of me for 2 months, put on 1 Kg, get a flu the next week, and lose everything. :]

Well anyway, I think we'll find a way somehow. There's always a way, the problem is just hanging on until then.
I've drastically dropped my expectation in the women department since last year and my goal now seems reachable to me, especially in just a few years. That's not at the same level of being a sexy mofo banging hundreds of chicks a month, but past a point this goal has been futile to me. So I'm settling for less.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Jake2015 - 08-16-2018

In my case I seem to make them laugh, giggle and full of happy emotions but get no where. Being nice I can see is me in public with strangers since its polite and its what I have learnt growing up from my parents but yet women dont seem to respect or want this if my understanding of women is correct.

Its very confusing. we have to play games, resist, detract from being too nice, too friendly, too jovial, too receptive to make them want us and by then tbh ive given up caring so much and yet then they want you.

I would love to have a woman want me that I actually want too and that I chose to chase after. Not simply have someone like me that I settled for.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - DarkPlouf - 08-16-2018

Quote:Its very confusing. we have to play games, resist, detract from being too nice, too friendly, too jovial, too receptive to make them want us and by then tbh I've given up caring so much and yet then they want you.
You know I think it's not that much complicated...I think it's a matter of looks AND status. I know people hate to hear that but it's true. You can get away with doing EVERYTHING wrong, but still get chicks just because of looks and status.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Catman - 08-16-2018

(08-16-2018, 01:53 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote:
Quote:Its very confusing. we have to play games, resist, detract from being too nice, too friendly, too jovial, too receptive to make them want us and by then tbh I've given up caring so much and yet then they want you.
You know I think it's not that much complicated...I think it's a matter of looks AND status. I know people hate to hear that but it's true. You can get away with doing EVERYTHING wrong, but still get chicks just because of looks and status.

That's a reality I think isn't popular but more true than people choose to believe.

Looks matter, sorry. I see how girls drool over "hot guys", it's clear as day. No sub to make your looks into a "hot guy" to my knowledge, sadly. No PUA program can do that either. So it's never talked about, or if it is, it's importance is undercut greatly. I've seen often how girls react to "hot guys", I'm 100% positive they like hotness just as much as we do. It's reality.

Status too. Sometimes I wish I could overlook the hot girls into me that are gold digging or status chasing...it'd make things so much easier for me on the surface. But, I'd always have the nagging feeling they don't care about me and only want me for my $$$ and status. I don't want that, I already have enough issues with my own feeling of attractiveness and self esteem in regards to women etc. Shitty situation if I did that. I bought DMSI to somehow "make" me sexually attractive so I can attract them naturally, but I agree I have severe doubts it can actually do so and still don't understand HOW the sub makes you sexy to women you find sexy. Still don't understand that process at all, makes it hard to really get behind, never mind the results so far after over two years of using it. We'll see...wait for V3.3 now I guess nothing else to do.