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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Zane - 08-09-2018 (08-09-2018, 01:34 PM)Jake2015 Wrote:(08-09-2018, 01:11 PM)Zane Wrote:(08-09-2018, 10:42 AM)Jake2015 Wrote:(08-09-2018, 08:23 AM)kingpill Wrote:(08-09-2018, 06:53 AM)Shannon Wrote: No. There are a variety of causes for weight gain, some physical, some not. For those not physical, and some that are, the root cause seems to be fear. But there are some cases where it is a genuine glandular disorder, for example. Not the only possible non-fear cause, but an example. I know what u r trying to say and even I have those thoughts. Some have naturally have that strength and mindset. So they only need a little bit of effort. As for us we need more work to we depend 9n external tools for a while untill we learn to gain that kinda strength.... But it worth it buddy.... Most people don't have any idea why their life are so messed up and live like that atleast we know.. Only a matter of time... I guess we ignore many issues that should have been solved long time ago.. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Oversoul - 08-09-2018 (08-09-2018, 01:34 PM)Jake2015 Wrote:(08-09-2018, 01:11 PM)Zane Wrote:(08-09-2018, 10:42 AM)Jake2015 Wrote:(08-09-2018, 08:23 AM)kingpill Wrote:(08-09-2018, 06:53 AM)Shannon Wrote: No. There are a variety of causes for weight gain, some physical, some not. For those not physical, and some that are, the root cause seems to be fear. But there are some cases where it is a genuine glandular disorder, for example. Not the only possible non-fear cause, but an example. Theres a book by 'Felix Dennis' who was a self made man (700 million at his death) that wrote a book called 'how to get rich'. You should read it. I know he didnt write that book to make more money (not as his primary aim anyway) as he himself knew that you can't get rich (in his relative terms, he thought having less than 15million was poor) off books. He got into writing and poetry as he wanted to do something other than make money (which he thought was a futile pursuit once hegot a lot of it) and distract himself from hookers and crack which he spent about a 100mil on lol. But good read, very insightful. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 08-09-2018 (08-09-2018, 07:33 AM)josh84 Wrote: I dont appreciate that comment about just paying for hookers, i have never done so ever but that lack of experience can also be stopping me from executing too. I'm not saying anything that is intended to offend. If you're thinking about paying for sex, then you're thinking about hiring a hooker, and that's how it sounded when I read it. Some people think that's a way to get experience, and it is - but it's not the kind of experience that helps in some of the ways people want to think it does. Lack of experience is what results in fear. It's fear of the unknown. But hookers aren't going to give you the right "known" for what you're trying to do. Quote:I asked a question is my fear for letting a situation go further because of my inexperience possibly preventing me from executing the script as i am afraid that if i execute the script and women approach or it helps me to put myself into a situation where i might make a move on a woman that may lead to a situation i have rarely experienced that i wont let dmsi work and continue to escalate. As I explained, inexperience is like a computer operating system that has no code for a specific event. Without that code, the OS doesn't know what to do when that event happens. In a computer, it results in a system crash. In a human, it results in fear and avoidance. You're not using the inexperience to resist, you're using the fear. Quote:Basically in my subconscious or conscious mind my lack of confidence in knowing what to do with a woman such as escalating in any form could be resulting in me not executing the script. Indirectly, yes. But hiding from the experience only increases the fear, and prevents the rest of the operating system from working out how to code the response to the event, if you follow my computer analogy. Quote:I am providing you with some details on a form of resistance that may or may not be stopping the script executing that you might of found useful or not. I'm already aware of the issue with inexperience, but again, all resistance boils down to fear. Which is what I am working on removing. Quote:If you say dmsi can override all our conscious and subconscious thinking that has me worried around a woman and not letting anything happen well then that would be great but yet to see that so thats why i asked. It does not override. It attempts to steer. With enough fear, you can refuse to cooperate. Quote:As an example many months ago i got a couple dances with a lady in a club, simple thing she was just happy dancing with anyone but there was not a seconds thought in trying to kiss this lady or try to escalate out of the fear of not knowing when or how to do things right. Okay. Ultimately, you are just dealing with the restrictions your fears place on you, or the results of not feeling fear. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - findingme - 08-09-2018 (08-09-2018, 06:34 AM)Shannon Wrote:(08-08-2018, 01:37 PM)findingme Wrote: Shannon, I would like to share my recent experience. Thank you for sharing about the H/C point I made. In fact, when I wrote that, I thought of a conversation you had with a member since he had very limiting beliefs, and you called them what they were. Yes, I am unaware how H/C always works. I said tears meant H/C, when I actually just truly enjoy and even celebrate the obvious change going on, shown by tears. Thank you for pointing that out. I also thought today what others have done which kept them on subs successfully. I've seen numerous people make a calendar end date to stick to. In 12 step rooms, they say "if you want what we have, do what we do". That applies for any change. And I will stick to that. One day at a time. I'm not deeply concerned about sticking mainly since emotions have been shifting lately--real anger felt and projected onto male coworkers plus desires to have brotherly connections again (today at work) tells me healing is happening. Thank you for making E2. And thank you for your patience. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - samba99 - 08-09-2018 Shannon, Another thing to note while working on fear with 3.3 Some of us might consider fear as safety mechanism or an indication of danger. If that's true, I fear some of us may consider the fear removal script as the most dangerous script. Hence reverse that even further more? I hope I am just looking at this in a wrong way. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - josh84 - 08-09-2018 Thankyou for your response shannon, i believe fear is what is holding me back from executing the script as i am someone that cant do things perfectly wont do things which is a bad way to live and its deffinately no way to be in a relationship since cant be perfect or make things go perfectly since one woman might like one thing another might not like that same thing. Hopefully fear modules in 3.3 will help me get past what holds me back and lets me execute but that side of me where if dont do things right dont do things at all is a problem. Its also why i work for myself instead of a 9-5 job if i fail to do things properly for myself only myself to blame but would feel bad for letting others down if working for someone else if not done properly. All comes down to fear which im looking forward to your product helping me get past that. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 08-09-2018 (08-09-2018, 03:18 PM)samba99 Wrote: Shannon, The approach I am using with this will defeat even that little game, when I get it scripted properly. Hopefully I have already done that. The issue with that point of view is that fear isn't an indicator of danger, it is a response to the perception of danger, and it is not necessary. As I have said before, walk to the edge of a skyscraper and look down. Do you need fear to tell you not to jump? No, you need to engage your intellect and understand what the consequences of that action would be, and then rationally choose between certain death, or safety. Your basic argument here boils down to, "I'm afraid of letting go of fear, because it keeps me safe." But it doesn't keep you safe, it just keeps you locked up in a mental prison that you created to not have to think and use your brain, because it's less work. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 08-09-2018 (08-09-2018, 03:38 PM)josh84 Wrote: Thankyou for your response shannon, i believe fear is what is holding me back from executing the script as i am someone that cant do things perfectly wont do things which is a bad way to live and its deffinately no way to be in a relationship since cant be perfect or make things go perfectly since one woman might like one thing another might not like that same thing. Perfectionism is a fear based response. If you believe you can't do it perfectly, then refusing to do it is an effort to avoid criticism or "not being good enough" which is perceived as a huge threat to you in some way and for some reason. But, if you never allow yourself to make mistakes, you will never allow yourself to learn how not to make mistakes, or to succeed. Consider: Quote:I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. Quote:Failure is simply the opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently. Quote:You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space. Quote:Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. Winston Churchill Quote:It's fine to celebrate success but it is more important to heed the lessons of failure. Bill Gates Quote:Without failure there is no achievement. John C. Maxwell Quote:There is no innovation and creativity without failure. Period. Brene Brown Quote:It is impossible to live without failing at something, unless you live so cautiously that you might as well not have lived at all, in which case you have failed by default. J. K. Rowling Quote:You have to be able to accept failure to get better. LeBron James Quote:Winning is great, sure, but if you are really going to do something in life, the secret is learning how to lose. Nobody goes undefeated all the time. If you can pick up after a crushing defeat, and go on to win again, you are going to be a champion someday. Wilma Rudolph Quote:Failures, repeated failures, are finger posts on the road to achievement. One fails forward toward success. C. S. Lewis Quote:A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. B. F. Skinner Quote:Never be afraid to fail. Failure is only a stepping stone to improvement. Never be overconfident because that will block your improvement. Tony Jaa Quote:Do not be embarrassed by your failures, learn from them and start again. Richard Branson Quote:Success is not the absence of failure; it's the persistence through failure. Aisha Tyler Quote:Success is not built on success. It's built on failure. It's built on frustration. Sometimes its built on catastrophe. Sumner Redstone Quote:Failure should be our teacher, not our undertaker. Failure is delay, not defeat. It is a temporary detour, not a dead end. Failure is something we can avoid only by saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing. I think you get the point... Quote:Hopefully fear modules in 3.3 will help me get past what holds me back and lets me execute but that side of me where if dont do things right dont do things at all is a problem. That is the goal. Quote:Its also why i work for myself instead of a 9-5 job if i fail to do things properly for myself only myself to blame but would feel bad for letting others down if working for someone else if not done properly. As am I. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - josh84 - 08-09-2018 Thanks for all those quotes shannon will save them as they will be good to go over daily to help motivate me to make choices even if the action doesnt work out. Appreciate the time you spent finding those quotes. Thanks. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Oversoul - 08-10-2018 Just realized- things and endeavours I about which I feel total confidence on B (starting a business), I feel fear/doubt on A. Is there any reason for this? Is this part of the healing process? Edit: still get iois though probably more than before. Girls like broke guys?!? RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - THolt - 08-10-2018 (08-09-2018, 06:53 AM)Shannon Wrote: [quote='Jake2015' pid='202831' dateline='1533780480'] @Shannon This is certainly me when it comes to success. For some reason I have this deep seated fear of success. I am looking forward to see how this is handled by US/LM and also BAMM 3.0 when it comes out. Hopefully it will be able to effectively deal with my fears. How much more quick and effective do you tentatively think BAMM 3.0 will be? RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - samba99 - 08-10-2018 I am amazed by the things you can do just to avoid execution. Good luck on 3.3 Shannon! RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - KingDavid93 - 08-10-2018 Did Shannon mention yet when we should start taking a break and for how long in prep for 3.3? Also: 1. Will US/LM + UM/OP (at least their new tech) become a part of 3.3 and/or the skeleton script moving forward? 2. Will 3.3 be released as B first like 3.2? RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Kol - 08-10-2018 (08-10-2018, 01:56 AM)kingpill Wrote: Just realized- things and endeavours I about which I feel total confidence on B (starting a business), I feel fear/doubt on A. Is there any reason for this? Is this part of the healing process? For me its the opposite. Im running A and business drive is very high. Im in the process of working with girls, models and the such. Probably camera stuff aswell in professional matter, with me being a sexual ceo guy having some sort of porn biz and being the one leading. DMSI might still project desired traits in you. No matter what. To me it means DMSI is about 100% execution no matter what. One thing im thinking about is scenes, like the broke guy being pulled by women cuz he is a fun time to them. When doubting/having stuff coming up its 9/10 working through things, only to let go/integrate/own them up. |