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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Bookstacks DC737 - 05-30-2016

Hey Shannon I was wondering if you could clarify some statements you made in this post: http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5159-post-69089.html#pid69089

You said your subliminals were not to be used with any other form of mind programming, like NLP, hypnosis, etc.

I was just curious what the extent of this is?

I know you mentioned that meditation doesn't work well with EPRAHA in LionKing's journal. Was it simply his style of meditation or all meditation?

As far as NLP or Hypnosis goes I see them as just being tools to describe things other people have been doing with language and their minds for centuries, but does your definition of NLP or Hypnosis also include therapeutic tools like CBT, ACT, or goal visualization?

Thanks in advance for your reply Shannon Smile

I'm excited to hop onto the DAOS bandwagon as soon as I'm done taking out all this emotional garbage.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Sickologist - 05-30-2016

I'm planning to run AOSI every night so that will be 8-9 hours. I was thinking about eventually trying the Natural Seduction sub. Let's say I only listen to that for 1-4 hours every saturaday while doing AOSI every night, would they compliment each other? Or is it redundant?

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Light - 05-30-2016

(05-30-2016, 12:16 PM)Sickologist Wrote: I'm planning to run AOSI every night so that will be 8-9 hours. I was thinking about eventually trying the Natural Seduction sub. Let's say I only listen to that for 1-4 hours every saturaday while doing AOSI every night, would they compliment each other? Or is it redundant?

I want to really second this. Is it possible Shannon to use AOSI along with Natural seduction ( strictly sticking to the short term use as listed on the sale page). Just a minimum amount of hours per week!

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - K-Train - 05-30-2016

Shanno Wrote:In this way, it will behave sort of like an ultra-powerful NSFM, except that it doesn't get YOU to seduce others; instead it will tend to have the effect (when used for enough time beforehand, which will vary from person to person) of getting others to seduce YOU.

Based off this quote NSFM and AOSI seem to be working towards some similar goals but from different perspectives. In a perfect world without negative effects occurring from usage of these two subs in a short period of time (less than 48 hours in this case) these two would be a perfect one two punch. AOSI pulls people in and NSFM helps you seduce whoever it is that is effected (this is all THEORY). That theory would work assuming that the two subs did not conflict with each other.

I can only speak from my experience of NSFM and AOS 3G but I do recall vividly that NSFM basically gave me the peak effects I had from AOS 3G only more consistently and it mainly affected my mentality. Again, that was old tech. We have no idea what the new rules are for the 5.5G stuff.

Also Shannon, previously you stated that too much comfort could be a bad thing in regards to sexual tension (which I agree with to an extent). Now AOSI has modules and scripting to accomplish comfort. You don't have to answer this but I am curious about the type of balance you were aiming for as far as familiarity, comfort and positive sexual tension.

@Sickologist: Man I almost completely forgot you were running AOS already. Do keep us informed if you get AOSI. Thanks.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm not saying AOSI and NSFM should be used at the same time. I was thinking along the lines of Sickologists' proposed usage pattern.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Jakeb203 - 05-30-2016

(05-30-2016, 04:12 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(05-30-2016, 04:00 AM)AriGold Wrote: I was hoping that the aura was permanent until you run a sub that changes that aura...

What exactly does AOSI manifest?
- Is it the "sexy me" (like in E2 the "healed me")?
- Is it the "attraction" of the gender I am attracted to?
- Is it the people that will come into my life?

Also what will stay permanent after 3 months of usage?

The primary manifestation is manifesting success achieving the goals of the program. The secondary manifestation is manifesting interaction with those people who fit the criteria of people who you find attractive who are of the right gender.

As to what will stay permanent, there are a lot of variables in play that make that difficult to answer. It is likely going to be a medium to long term effect, not permanent, because it requires a constant state of energy manipulation, inflow, adjustment and projection. That level of activity, effort and focus does not tend to be something the subconscious is likely to maintain permanently from what I have seen.

Technically it may sound like the limit as to what AOSI could bring, but if it doesn't have permanency effect installed, wouldn't it just be like a sub you use for fun? Like a long term recreation drug / pheromone that makes you sexy, but once the effect is over you aren't sexy anymore. I know I am doubting a bit much and I definitely appreciate the work, just wondering since all the other major stage sets have permanency designed in mind. If it's physically impossible to design for this sub, then that's another issue.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - Darkness - 05-30-2016

(05-30-2016, 03:03 PM)Jakeb203 Wrote:
(05-30-2016, 04:12 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(05-30-2016, 04:00 AM)AriGold Wrote: I was hoping that the aura was permanent until you run a sub that changes that aura...

What exactly does AOSI manifest?
- Is it the "sexy me" (like in E2 the "healed me")?
- Is it the "attraction" of the gender I am attracted to?
- Is it the people that will come into my life?

Also what will stay permanent after 3 months of usage?

The primary manifestation is manifesting success achieving the goals of the program. The secondary manifestation is manifesting interaction with those people who fit the criteria of people who you find attractive who are of the right gender.

As to what will stay permanent, there are a lot of variables in play that make that difficult to answer. It is likely going to be a medium to long term effect, not permanent, because it requires a constant state of energy manipulation, inflow, adjustment and projection. That level of activity, effort and focus does not tend to be something the subconscious is likely to maintain permanently from what I have seen.

Technically it may sound like the limit as to what AOSI could bring, but if it doesn't have permanency effect installed, wouldn't it just be like a sub you use for fun? Like a long term recreation drug / pheromone that makes you sexy, but once the effect is over you aren't sexy anymore. I know I am doubting a bit much and I definitely appreciate the work, just wondering since all the other major stage sets have permanency designed in mind. If it's physically impossible to design for this sub, then that's another issue.

I was thinking similarly, I rather it be permanent.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - chaosvrgn - 05-30-2016

(05-30-2016, 03:03 PM)Jakeb203 Wrote:
(05-30-2016, 04:12 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(05-30-2016, 04:00 AM)AriGold Wrote: I was hoping that the aura was permanent until you run a sub that changes that aura...

What exactly does AOSI manifest?
- Is it the "sexy me" (like in E2 the "healed me")?
- Is it the "attraction" of the gender I am attracted to?
- Is it the people that will come into my life?

Also what will stay permanent after 3 months of usage?

The primary manifestation is manifesting success achieving the goals of the program. The secondary manifestation is manifesting interaction with those people who fit the criteria of people who you find attractive who are of the right gender.

As to what will stay permanent, there are a lot of variables in play that make that difficult to answer. It is likely going to be a medium to long term effect, not permanent, because it requires a constant state of energy manipulation, inflow, adjustment and projection. That level of activity, effort and focus does not tend to be something the subconscious is likely to maintain permanently from what I have seen.

Technically it may sound like the limit as to what AOSI could bring, but if it doesn't have permanency effect installed, wouldn't it just be like a sub you use for fun? Like a long term recreation drug / pheromone that makes you sexy, but once the effect is over you aren't sexy anymore. I know I am doubting a bit much and I definitely appreciate the work, just wondering since all the other major stage sets have permanency designed in mind. If it's physically impossible to design for this sub, then that's another issue.

From what I understand, the goal is to create a physical energy aura of sexiness that attracts people you're sexually attracted to. Sounds like you're looking to change your core identity -- which is the goals of AM, SM and WM. I don't think this means AOSI is something to just use for fun, but I'm not sure how much core self-improvement you'll get with this one, as I'm guessing it works off your current level of self. That's why, as bad as I want this, I'm going to finish my AM6 run and then run E2 for 3-6 months before grabbing it.

Can you imagine -- I'm almost done with my second run of AM6. That's a YEAR of AM6, then 3-6 months of E2 (with it's aura of unconditional, omnidirectional love) mixed with this beast?

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - CatMan - 05-30-2016

Yeah it sounds like the sub isn't a permanent sub, and is augmenting "what you currently have", as Shannon has described earlier on as well. Since SM3 totally failed for me and is deemed to be a deep permanent change compared to this program...I'm now not convinced this sub will do much either, at least currently since "what I have" hasn't gotten any success at all. I'll have to rethink whether buying it and switching to it from E2 is wise, sadly. If I didn't get benefit from SM3, I'm probably not likely to get much from this, either. It's going to suck reading epic reports from others, but I did the same thing about SM3 so that isn't new.

We'll see, I just don't want to get my hopes up in my case. I feel it's already been massively over hyped beyond belief, which puts unnecessary pressure on ourselves...and on Shannon.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - AbundanceCH - 05-30-2016

CatMan, you need to start going salsa dancing. Go out there and interact with women on a regular basis like salsa dancing will make you do and i'm sure whatever programming you got from the subs will reveal itself. Sometimes subs are not enough you just need to do those things that will put you up close and personal with women Smile

Send me a message if you want more info.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - CatMan - 05-30-2016

(05-30-2016, 03:40 PM)AbundanceCH Wrote: CatMan, you need to start going salsa dancing. Go out there and interact with women on a regular basis like salsa dancing will make you do and i'm sure whatever programming you got from the subs will reveal itself. Sometimes subs are not enough you just need to do those things that will put you up close and personal with women Smile

Send me a message if you want more info.

Thanks for the words, man! I mean that.

In my case, it isn't a social issue as I'm out in environments with lots of attractive women at least once a week for several hours. It's an issue of not believing it's possible, maybe of deservedness. I am out with them, having fun, flirting, kino all of that, but I still don't believe it's possible for me to bed them or date them for some reason. I guess it's like the chicken and the egg, I need proof of it happening to help me counter all the instances of it not happening, to at least tell me it's possible. But, without belief in myself making it possible, it isn't likely to happen maybe as that confidence or lack thereof will show somehow and turn them off. I can easily look like a guy who's popular with girls, guys out at places often come up to me and ask me how I do it and why do they come over to me often and fight over talking to me etc., but they don't know I've never even had a real date, let alone have sex. There's probably GSF in there too, and I know for a fact there's a lot of pain and failure in the past with girls and zero success to empower me, and especially toxic shame I'm learning recently. And a latent belief in the background that subs may not solve my issues, whatever they are.

I think we're venturing into territory that will leave us disappointed if we are hoping this sub will transform us into Cristiano Ronaldos, is all. Let the chips fall where they may.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - dissonance - 05-30-2016

(05-30-2016, 03:28 AM)Shannon Wrote: It occurs to me that AOSI should not be used with pheromones, until you are significantly familiar with how AOSI performs by itself and how pheromones perform by themselves.


What is the reason for this?

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - AbundanceCH - 05-30-2016

(05-30-2016, 04:04 PM)CatMan Wrote: Thanks for the words, man! I mean that.

In my case, it isn't a social issue as I'm out in environments with lots of attractive women at least once a week for several hours.
There's a difference between being in environments with lots of attractive women for several hours, and being in an environment where you are TOUCHING attractive women for several hours (like salsa).

BIG difference.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - CatMan - 05-30-2016

(05-30-2016, 04:18 PM)AbundanceCH Wrote:
(05-30-2016, 04:04 PM)CatMan Wrote: Thanks for the words, man! I mean that.

In my case, it isn't a social issue as I'm out in environments with lots of attractive women at least once a week for several hours.
There's a difference between being in environments with lots of attractive women for several hours, and being in an environment where you are TOUCHING attractive women for several hours (like salsa).

BIG difference.

Yeah, true.

I do seem to have intimacy issues, touching them like that and at close range, at a dancing class for a long period of time where I'm expected to do that, tends to make me nervous and uncomfortable. Many times when I seem to accidentally touch them for too long innocently, and they pull away, I always feel I was rejected somehow. Like I was doing something wrong and inappropriate which resulted in them pulling away. Then I feel guilty about it and inhibited further in the future. I feel it's a constant stream of negative feedback, it's hard to break out of the GSF aspects without some positive feedback to let me know I won't be rejected and embarrassed, or worse as I've had often too.

I thought I'd use this program AOSI to give me that positive feedback, but it's becoming more and more obvious, this program isn't right for me...

Honestly, half of me wants to just cycle E2 and AM/BASE and say screw this women-chasing-treadmill-rubic's-cube, and be done with it.

RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion - chaosvrgn - 05-30-2016

(05-30-2016, 04:31 PM)CatMan Wrote: Honestly, half of me wants to just cycle E2 and AM/BASE and say screw this women-chasing-treadmill-rubic's-cube, and be done with it.

While I don't really have any problem with most women after I become comfortable with them -- usually takes about an hour or so -- I'm still totally with you on this. It just seems like we're expected to do this huge song and dance routine, and for what? Just to get hated on by society? Right now, I'm totally focused on my business so I can spend next year traveling the world. I've totally checked out of society for the most part.