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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - RisingSon - 07-31-2018
(07-30-2018, 10:04 PM)Dmitry Wrote: 1. Each newer version DMSI induced more chaos in subC of the user. I guess thats why using personal usage format helped me to overcome some major resistance. And, yes, Shannon: DMSI is 3.2 REALLY works! It helped me to uncover such blocks and issues to light but failed clear it. Thats why I think that H&C must be seriosly revised to be not harder but smarter.
4. Another experiment. “Head”, “Heart”, “Gut” structural elements are losing coherence with each other then DMSI is used. Need more details about that.
5. Using simplier subs from Shannon and other vendors then used before DMSI somehow helped to frame my mind and get DMSI execute better.
Using some other subs helped DMSI to use that information for execution?
Thats all for nowI like doing blind experiments.
Some of these things that this poster said on the last page are interesting, despite the obvious language barrier. Despite the EGO barrier, it seems that DMSI is not getting the most optimal results as compared to it's first version for example and leading to more chaos? I suspect this is due to using amorphous or nonsense terms in the script like "gender". That term didn't exist hundreds of years ago, it was only "sex" (male and female), but now some nonsense called "gender politics" where you can be whatever you feel like lol has became a popular opinion/narrative. Shannon is trying to capitalize off this, obviously, but it isn't sane and appears to be floundering or failing. Perhaps troublesome is trying to preserve the concept of free will, particularly for the affected, to where the sub isn't firing at all is my suspicion. Along with his possible fear of any repercussions if this sex sub actually IS effective, which could be what all the "resistance/fear" jargon is, REALLY. Past simpler sex subs got much more obvious and fun results. These are my views on why this is not advancing, and why users are laying around in bed all day (me included BIG TIME) instead of being harmonious and coherent inside themselves and gettin' it done. On the positive side I'm making improvements on my body appearance and posture - looks do matter. Also I've been considering escaping society like some posters have discussed recently but that is not the most potent solution. Besides, even if Shannon says he got a hot young American gf but gets in recurring yelling matches with her, is that really winning? That's part of why I said early on I could get better results on dominant AM6 than a sub trying to treat everyone as "equal". COME ON, ALREADY! OK, there's my rant.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - samba99 - 07-31-2018
(07-31-2018, 12:22 PM)RisingSon Wrote:(07-30-2018, 10:04 PM)Dmitry Wrote: 1. Each newer version DMSI induced more chaos in subC of the user. I guess thats why using personal usage format helped me to overcome some major resistance. And, yes, Shannon: DMSI is 3.2 REALLY works! It helped me to uncover such blocks and issues to light but failed clear it. Thats why I think that H&C must be seriosly revised to be not harder but smarter.
4. Another experiment. “Head”, “Heart”, “Gut” structural elements are losing coherence with each other then DMSI is used. Need more details about that.
5. Using simplier subs from Shannon and other vendors then used before DMSI somehow helped to frame my mind and get DMSI execute better.
Using some other subs helped DMSI to use that information for execution?
Thats all for now
Some of these things that this poster said on the last page are interesting, despite the obvious language barrier. Despite the EGO barrier, it seems that DMSI is not getting the most optimal results as compared to it's first version for example and leading to more chaos? I suspect this is due to using amorphous or nonsense terms in the script like "gender". That term didn't exist hundreds of years ago, it was only "sex" (male and female), but now some nonsense called "gender politics" where you can be whatever you feel like lol has became a popular opinion/narrative. Shannon is trying to capitalize off this, obviously, but it isn't sane and appears to be floundering or failing. Perhaps troublesome is trying to preserve the concept of free will, particularly for the affected, to where the sub isn't firing at all is my suspicion. Along with his possible fear of any repercussions if this sex sub actually IS effective, which could be what all the "resistance/fear" jargon is, REALLY. Past simpler sex subs got much more obvious and fun results. These are my views on why this is not advancing, and why users are laying around in bed all day (me included BIG TIME) instead of being harmonious and coherent inside themselves and gettin' it done. On the positive side I'm making improvements on my body appearance and posture - looks do matter. Also I've been considering escaping society like some posters have discussed recently but that is not the most potent solution. Besides, even if Shannon says he got a hot young American gf but gets in recurring yelling matches with her, is that really winning? That's part of why I said early on I could get better results on dominant AM6 than a sub trying to treat everyone as "equal". COME ON, ALREADY! OK, there's my rant.
I kinda feel if DMSI was for male only to attract female only, it would work better by now.
But I have no experience in how the subconscious work.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Steve_ - 07-31-2018
Friendly warning about this last page or so worth of posting... f you want to share anecdotes about dmsi usage, by all means do so. Ask questions if you have any. But please be respectful.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - lano1106 - 07-31-2018
(07-31-2018, 01:30 PM)samba99 Wrote: I kinda feel if DMSI was for male only to attract female only, it would work better by now.
But I have no experience in how the subconscious work.
Well what you just said is TRUE for SM3... Maybe this is a point in favor of SM3.
But really. How DMSI compares to SM3? How are they different?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 07-31-2018
(07-31-2018, 09:18 AM)Dmitry Wrote: Okey. It seems that we are talking in different languages. Its strange that somehow I pressed some "buttons" without that intention. Sorry if insulted you and its strange for me how that occured then I personally want you to succeed with subs, hmm....
It appears odd when you do some of the things you have done that strongly suggests you are trying to undermine my work. But we will go along with your assertion that you want me to succeed with subs, since there seems to be some language barrier.
Quote:I don't care about scientific evidences because I work with people about 13 years and already made my 10000 hours in psychology consulting (psychiatry doctor, psychological consulting) and even NOW haven't seen any reliable statistics about human psyche. Pharmacological companies, yes, they like so called "scientific experiments" because they need to sell more of their products.
If you want to compare experience levels, I have been doing this since 1993. If we say I have averaged only 4 hours a day, 5 days a week and 50 weeks a year during that time (which is being very conservative), I would currently have 25 years of experience focused specifically on researching, experimenting and developing subliminals. That would mean that, conservatively, I have 25,000 hours of experience doing this. It is probably closer to about 36,500.
As you may have noticed, we are not a pharmacological company. We sell subliminals. But we aren't interested in scientific studies just because it would help sales (when we end up doing them formally). We are interested in them because scientific studies give more accurate information with which to work. The more accurate the information I have to work with, the more accurately I can develop these programs and technologies. And I assure you that it is valuable and does make a big difference to have more accurate information with which to work. It has made a huge difference, and in fact is in large part why I am able to develop my techniques and technologies so fast. Most of the industry has been following and/or copying my work wherever possible for at least 15 years now, which is why I am so secretive about what I am doing and how I am doing it.
Quote:"Reliable scientific experiments" with human psyche, from my view, will take a few decades to be "reliable". At that time most forum members be dead, me included.
Well after 25 years of doing this, and specializing in it, I would have to say that is significantly exaggerated. The only reason I haven't yet done "reliable scientific experiments" to test my programs is that it is currently outside of my R&D budget. But I will do so when the time comes, and it will most assuredly not require decades, never mind "a few decades".
Quote:And one more thing: there is NO such thing as RESISTANCE, at first place. What is called "resistance" is a presentation of something to human psyche that is considered by it "dangerous".
Except that when the psyche considers something dangerous (or is simply afraid of it, regardless of actual danger levels), it will RESIST that thing and try to prevent the perceived threat from coming to pass. Thus, there is such a thing as "resistance".
Quote:By term "resistance" here I mean that sub goals were not achieved even with strict instructions. But the "resistance" itself is subC trying to avoid something it considers dangerous. If you don't understand that, I recommend you to update your knowledge about human psyche. By "smarter" I mean not "closing that loopholes so this stupid subC have no choice but execute (just feel how it feels then it is pronounced)" but create something that can communicate to subC that sub script instructions are not dangerous at all.
On the contrary, that is exactly what I have been saying for years now. All resistance boils down to subconscious fear of what the instructions are telling you to do, or the perceived results of it. And I have been working for a long time on the removal of fear, and in fact that should be ready to include in the skeleton script in the next 1 or 2 releases of DMSI. The closing of loopholes is necessary as a way to achieve execution not because I think the subconscious is stupid; on the contrary, it is far more brilliant than any conscious mind could be, according to my experiments and the observations I've made in my career doing this - which is how it still manages to evade my attempts to get it to cooperate. Closing loopholes is intended to prevent the subconscious from avoiding execution based on fears that are not really something to fear, such as "that time a woman hurt me when I was 2". A lot of these guys are resisting for reasons that are rationally ridiculous, but of course the subconscious believes that that threat condition still exists.
Forcing the script to be executed fully will also force the healing and clearing of those fears that no longer do anything but hold the user back. Although if I can make this fear removal module work, we won't need that anymore.
Quote:For now, we can stop this kind of conversation. And Nooooo intention to undermine you. I think that subliminal programs are GREATEST companion to traditional psychological treatment & healing, clearing, thats why I'm here.
Cheers!
In that case, please refrain from doing things that undermine my experience, skill, authority, etc. Like instructing people to disregard the instructions, telling them that I don't know what I am talking about, contradicting me (no such thing as resistance) when your argument is what I have been saying for years. Everyone on the forum hates me for telling them for so long that it all boils down to subconscious fears, and it does - regardless of how much they don't want to hear it. The argument about no such thing as resistance makes me think you are not using the same definition of resistance that I am.
If you want to be helpful, I appreciate that. You have made helpful suggestions in the past, and for that I am grateful. But telling people that you did experiments that prove me wrong, when all my time has been spent doing experiments and following the results, doesn't help me any. Especially when you can't back up your claims with review-able proof. I'm open to being wrong. But if you want me to believe I am wrong, you need to present something that proves it. Otherwise all you're doing is encouraging people who don't know what they're talking about to be disrespectful, and spout off on things they don't understand. Which means I have to spend more time responding to them to explain what is what, and then I am not working on building the subs or the experiments or developing the technology.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 07-31-2018
(07-31-2018, 12:22 PM)RisingSon Wrote: [snip]
Some of these things that this poster said on the last page are interesting, despite the obvious language barrier. Despite the EGO barrier, it seems that DMSI is not getting the most optimal results as compared to it's first version for example and leading to more chaos?
The implication being that I am too egotistical to listen to all of you who obviously know better than me, I take it? Because, you know, I'm sure you do know better than me what is what on this. We don't need to know my experience and qualifications. Some random guy from the Interwebs said Shannon doesn't know what he's doing! He must be right.
And if the first version was getting such great results, why did I have to not only build it again (and again, and again, and again, ad nauseum), but promise you guys that you'd get every one of those builds FOR FREE until it works or I have to give up? Why did we RE-RELEASE IT and have all of you dreamers of "the better old days with V1" decide right damned quick that V1 wasn't all it was conveniently remembered to be? It's because V1 wasn't getting the job done, and it isn't as good as a lot of the versions I released after it. In spite of what you'd like to remember and believe.
Quote:I suspect this is due to using amorphous or nonsense terms in the script like "gender". That term didn't exist hundreds of years ago, it was only "sex" (male and female), but now some nonsense called "gender politics" where you can be whatever you feel like lol has became a popular opinion/narrative. Shannon is trying to capitalize off this, obviously, but it isn't sane and appears to be floundering or failing.
I don't subscribe to the "gender fluid" theories and claims. I am therefore most assuredly not trying to "capitalize" on it. That seems a pretty lame thing to conclude, to me. I have explained time and again to you all why I am using gender-nonspecific scripting. It's not because I'm worried about those people who claim to be one of the Heinz 57 "genders" that are currently popular among SJWs. It's because it allows me to create, in a single script, a consistent, coherent approach to creating subliminals that works for EVERYBODY, regardless of whether they have XX chromosomes, XY chromosomes or something else. It is the very same reason that NetBSD is written using code that is architecture independent, so that it can simultaneously be compiled for and run on Intel processors, ARM, PowerPC, big iron, and so on and so forth. And it's really sad that you don't comprehend this simple, common sense fact. Creating a separate sub for [Male, Straight], [Female, Straight], [Male, Bisexual], [Female, Bisexual], [Male, Gay], [Female Gay] (which is what I would have to do otherwise, because again, I don't subscribe to the "50+ genders" theory) would require six times the work, six times the time, and create six times the potential for errors to be introduced. Which I learned the hard way.
Quote:Perhaps troublesome is trying to preserve the concept of free will, particularly for the affected, to where the sub isn't firing at all is my suspicion.
The free will of, and the fears of, the user is currently what is primarily preventing the sub from working. The only issue on the affected side is the fears they have in response to their feelings as they conflict with societal expectations, et al. But I will not ever take away free will, because developing the ability to do that is not just wrong, but would almost certainly be misused by whoever got their hands on it.
Quote:Along with his possible fear of any repercussions if this sex sub actually IS effective, which could be what all the "resistance/fear" jargon is, REALLY.
No, RisongSon, I'm sorry you can't comprehend the simple concept that people naturally RESIST what they FEAR, but it's really that simple. Resistance is a response to fear, and that's all there is to it.
Quote:Past simpler sex subs got much more obvious and fun results.
Except when they didn't. You're ignoring a LOT of things that DMSI has accomplished to have that point of view. And by far, not everyone agrees with you.
Quote:These are my views on why this is not advancing, and why users are laying around in bed all day (me included BIG TIME) instead of being harmonious and coherent inside themselves and gettin' it done.
It is advancing. I'm just being forced to work on all kinds of other shit instead of what I would like to be doing, for various reasons outside of my control. And spending most of my time developing Beast and then not being able to do anything with those technology modules yet.
It boils down to... if you are not executing, it's because YOU have a fear somewhere deep down inside of either executing, or the results of executing. That creates RESISTANCE, which results in you CHOOSING to lay around or whatever else you're doing to sabotage the program. And then you're not taking personal responsibility for doing those things that sabotage the program and doing, consciously, what can be done to override that sabotage.
It makes me think that a lot of people who are consistently failing to achieve results because they're hiding or masturbating or whatever, are intentionally resisting at the conscious level just because they can, and because they think it's fun to do so.
Quote:On the positive side I'm making improvements on my body appearance and posture - looks do matter. Also I've been considering escaping society like some posters have discussed recently but that is not the most potent solution. Besides, even if Shannon says he got a hot young American gf but gets in recurring yelling matches with her, is that really winning?
So according to you, having an occasional fight with your significant other is unusual and "losing". You know what I call it? I call it clearing the air, learning about the other person's needs and how to better get along with them. If you have never had a relationship in which there were occasional fights, then you haven't had a serious relationship. And if you can't understand the positive value of having those occasional fights within a serious, long term relationship, you never are going to have such a relationship.
That is winning. You can't say you executed well enough to even have that chance.
In the future, keep your rants to yourself. You've wasted a lot of my valuable time with this post, time that could have been spent doing something productive with creating the sub I am working on. Now I have to stop work and go to the gym, and then head to bed instead of finishing what I had planned to accomplish for today.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Leo1990 - 07-31-2018
Thanks Shannon for working on DMSI!!
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shawn - 08-01-2018
Shannon, I have got here some effects that could be from DMSI TID. First at all, the aura seems so strong that it keeps user and affected awake. It's a bit too extreme. We should be able to sleep and rest. Second, you should keep implement the maturation thing also for the affected, because that's what they are doing when affected. I am on my phone now.
Edit: And of course preventing sleeping with others when affected, because others could be for example more social or so and easier to get.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - samba99 - 08-01-2018
Shannon,
Have you completed the formal test for b16?
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some DMSI FULL mode potential.
watch this vid on sec 30 to 1:20.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0h0c7je3o
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - DarthXedonias - 08-01-2018
Hey Shannon.
I will keep this short because I already noticed you had to waste a lot of time replying to a lot of the other comments made.
I only have 2 questions:
(1) If you get the Fear removal module working will that module itself be able to be a standalone sub later on? Like say the new OF 5.5G (or perhaps OF 6G if you wait that long).
(2) If you were to want to put the fear removal module in 3.3 instead of waiting til 3.4, would it put a significant amount of time on the wait for 3.3?
I ask the last one because just like when you said about putting key 2 in 3.3 untested, I wouldn't mind waiting for 3.3 if the fear removal module is placed in it. Honestly, part of it is I'm just so annoyed with the creative ways my subconscious has found to not execute the sub. The notable ones being redefining terms/Reversal Resistance on 3.1, and then artificially negating all attraction on 3.2. I'm assuming that if you removed all the fear response then it would stop finding more ways to not execute? I would be more than willing to have to wait on 3.3 if it would just end this merry go around of finding more holes to have to plug up (Mind you not blaming you for that, I'm blaming us for you having to do all that in the first place).
Either way, Hope I didn't waste all your time with those questions.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Catman - 08-01-2018
(08-01-2018, 05:18 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Hey Shannon.
I will keep this short because I already noticed you had to waste a lot of time replying to a lot of the other comments made.
I only have 2 questions:
(1) If you get the Fear removal module working will that module itself be able to be a standalone sub later on? Like say the new OF 5.5G (or perhaps OF 6G if you wait that long).
(2) If you were to want to put the fear removal module in 3.3 instead of waiting til 3.4, would it put a significant amount of time on the wait for 3.3?
Great questions. OF is awesome, too bad my heart went nuts on it, very worrying at the time. Couldn't run it.
This "fear module" thing seems new...unless it's a rename of the "deep magic" or other things already talked about. Like the "key"(s). Could be interesting.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 08-01-2018
(08-01-2018, 04:24 AM)Mr. Anderson Wrote: Shannon, I have got here some effects that could be from DMSI TID. First at all, the aura seems so strong that it keeps user and affected awake. It's a bit too extreme. We should be able to sleep and rest. Second, you should keep implement the maturation thing also for the affected, because that's what they are doing when affected. I am on my phone now.
Edit: And of course preventing sleeping with others when affected, because others could be for example more social or so and easier to get.
TID causing an aura so powerful that it keeps you awake? That's... interesting... since we are at least a month away from 3.3 still. But I will put that in my notes.
If they are maturing when affected, are you saying it needs to stay in, or it needs enhancement?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 08-01-2018
(08-01-2018, 04:51 AM)samba99 Wrote: Shannon,
Have you completed the formal test for b16?
----------------------
some DMSI FULL mode potential.
watch this vid on sec 30 to 1:20.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0h0c7je3o
The formal tests for B16 have so many strictures on them right now that I have not had the right circumstances line up. I'm hoping to get it done this coming weekend, but unless those circumstances line up, it will be a waste of time to try. B17 is about half finished with development, and as I forecast, is due to come out sometime in August. B17 has a number of technologies in it that I can tell are going to be very important for Beast and 6G skeleton script, so no matter what B16 does, I'm going to finish developing it and build it at the very least.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3 - Shannon - 08-01-2018
(08-01-2018, 05:18 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: Hey Shannon.
I will keep this short because I already noticed you had to waste a lot of time replying to a lot of the other comments made.
I only have 2 questions:
(1) If you get the Fear removal module working will that module itself be able to be a standalone sub later on? Like say the new OF 5.5G (or perhaps OF 6G if you wait that long).
Absolutely. I will probably make OF and OGSF out of it, as specific focii, but it is going to be in the skeleton script as a standard part of EVERY program.
Quote:(2) If you were to want to put the fear removal module in 3.3 instead of waiting til 3.4, would it put a significant amount of time on the wait for 3.3?
I have to make sure it's safe before I can release it. It's in B17, and I don't know when that will be finished, or how long it will take to test. Things are starting to go a little faster now than I can keep up with in so many directions for making plans out very far, so we will see what happens. But I want to make sure it is safe to release before I do.
Quote:I ask the last one because just like when you said about putting key 2 in 3.3 untested, I wouldn't mind waiting for 3.3 if the fear removal module is placed in it. Honestly, part of it is I'm just so annoyed with the creative ways my subconscious has found to not execute the sub. The notable ones being redefining terms/Reversal Resistance on 3.1, and then artificially negating all attraction on 3.2. I'm assuming that if you removed all the fear response then it would stop finding more ways to not execute? I would be more than willing to have to wait on 3.3 if it would just end this merry go around of finding more holes to have to plug up (Mind you not blaming you for that, I'm blaming us for you having to do all that in the first place).
Either way, Hope I didn't waste all your time with those questions.
In theory, the fear removal will end all resistance in one fell swoop. I have had theories like that before, and you see where we are. I'll believe it when I see it.
That said, this time there are some significant differences, and that gives me some genuine hope that we are really at the end of developing this stuff to overcome fear.
It is not a waste of my time to answer the questions of my customers, provided their questions haven't been asked more than a few times already and they're not ridiculous. I don't mind that at all. That is simply part of the job.
Do you suppose, though, that allowing assertions that are false and based in refusal to see things as they really are, or willful ignorance, or a desire to stir up shit, is a good idea without refuting them and correcting them? That's only going to result in more people who simply may not know better starting to believe the same things, which would cause problems for them and us. RisingSon seems to like to make inflammatory posts, at the least, and his last post was a "rant" full of what looks to me like willful ignorance and a desire to simply bash me and stir up shit.
Bashing me isn't going to make things better for anyone. Making posts that are willfully ignorant are not going to help anyone. Stirring up shit isn't going to help anyone. And if I don't refute posts like these, there are plenty of people now and in the future who will come along and believe it, simply because they don't know better. This sort of post is made because someone either has to show off what they "know" or because they just want to spout off ("rant"). Responding to it is important, but it wastes my time to work on subs instead.
None of you are more frustrated with all this than I am, but that sort of thing doesn't help. I am captain of the ship, and the reason you choose to pay what you do for my subs is because you know my subs are better than those made by other people. You also know that I made a promise to keep releasing DMSI for free until it works or I give up on it, and I have lost a hell of a lot of money to that promise, which I keep as a display of my integrity and trustworthiness, and because I absolutely hate breaking promises.
So to those of you who are not happy with what DMSI is doing, help me improve it. Don't make ridiculous posts that try to make me look like I don't know what I'm doing and waste my work time. There's a lot going on behind the scenes that you guys don't know about concerning development of all this stuff, and it will be made public most likely within the next 6 to 12 months. There's a lot more to all this than you know about or understand. I don't care who you are, what you've done or what you think, there's a reason I'm the first and only to have developed subliminals to this degree. It's because I know what I am doing. I may not be perfect, and it may take me some time to get there - but I do know what I'm doing.
And thank you, Darth, for being such a helpful reporter. You and those like you have contributed significantly to my understanding and the development of DMSI.