(03-01-2018, 11:37 AM)Broski Wrote: Im not having the same exact reaction as you by any means, but I think something similar may be going on with me. Like I am being pushed to eliminate toxic habits and be a better person overall. Nothing directly sexual, but maybe we need to go through these seemingly non sexual internal shifts to eventually reach the goal of the program of developing maximum sexual irresistibility

(03-01-2018, 11:37 AM)Broski Wrote: Im not having the same exact reaction as you by any means, but I think something similar may be going on with me. Like I am being pushed to eliminate toxic habits and be a better person overall. Nothing directly sexual, but maybe we need to go through these seemingly non sexual internal shifts to eventually reach the goal of the program of developing maximum sexual irresistibility

(03-01-2018, 01:22 PM)Wharrgarbl Wrote: Not all sexual irresistablity is based on how sexual you are. Maybe your ideal women desires a man who has his life together, and can weather any storm life can throw at him. I heard some women say there is nothing more sexy than a man doing dishes (Most likely those women have the acts of service love language).

Might also be some of the modules Shannon put in this time around are steering you in that direction. Anyways, that is an interesting you 2 are experiencing.

(03-02-2018, 02:52 AM)sw72hw Wrote:

(03-01-2018, 11:37 AM)Broski Wrote: Im not having the same exact reaction as you by any means, but I think something similar may be going on with me. Like I am being pushed to eliminate toxic habits and be a better person overall. Nothing directly sexual, but maybe we need to go through these seemingly non sexual internal shifts to eventually reach the goal of the program of developing maximum sexual irresistibility

Maybe we need to, maybe not. However, I think that doing so (i.e. becoming a better person) would lead to attracting higher quality women. To be honest I am not interested in low quality women, even if sex them were to be the best one I can get in this universe.

(03-01-2018, 01:22 PM)Wharrgarbl Wrote: Not all sexual irresistablity is based on how sexual you are. Maybe your ideal women desires a man who has his life together, and can weather any storm life can throw at him. I heard some women say there is nothing more sexy than a man doing dishes (Most likely those women have the acts of service love language).

Might also be some of the modules Shannon put in this time around are steering you in that direction. Anyways, that is an interesting you 2 are experiencing.

Well, I definitely do like high quality women. Don't all men like high quality women? I suppose becoming a high quality men is either the best way to be sexually irresistible to those women, or the first step of being sexually irresistible. For me at least, I think I love women, who has her life together (not necessarily all together, but is putting together, and consistently improving and growing), and can withstand any storm life throws at her. For me I think my ideal women can also do that, but at the same time can be very vulnerable to me by sharing her most intimate and weak side with me. At the same time, that same women should also be able to help me with life's heavy burden, and can also take my weak and vulnerable side. Lastly, when I am low or down, she must also be able to help me become strong again, and can stand on my feet. I wish that I can be a man, who can also do the exact same thing I just want from my ideal women. (In other words, I wish I can also do and provide all the written things above) Maybe I am already that man, and perhaps I am already capable of doing all of above. It's just that I have not yet found such women, nor have any clue in where to find such women, how to find them, and how to attract them. (Hopefully DMSI can do all of above for me.)

Oh God, just thinking about this gave me a boner. LOL. This is definitely not sexual at all, but is giving me a boner. LOL. Maybe it's because I am currently listening to DMSI. Or it may just be that such women, strong, confident, well put together, considerate, soft, and very feminine women are just too sexy for me. LOL

Becoming the very man, or wanting to become such men, doesn't seem to be DMSI's doing. I think I have always wanted to be a such person. Yet, I have a feeling that DMSI is making that thought, the process, and the desire more intense. By how much? I can't tell.

Also, I have a feeling that DMSI is bringing the best side of me. It's not bringing out necessarily the conventional sexiness, and putting it in me artificially, but rather bringing out the potentially the best of me that would be most appealing to my ideal women. And you know what I find it most fascinating? I find it most fascinating that this doesn't feel like it's DMSI's doing, but rather it feels as though I am doing all by myself without the help of DMSI. Maybe I could have done that without DMSI. Heck, anybody can probably do that without any help from subliminals. At the same time, I think that DMSI must have contributed at least some. This is the most fascinating part about this version: it makes it feel like I am doing all the stuff, without DMSI, and it is doing in a way that makes it feel very natural, and comfortable.

At least this is what it has been feeling like for me with DMSI. Now, bring me that girl and sex!!!

(03-02-2018, 10:45 PM)Broski Wrote: Well just think how rare a legitl high quality man that actually has all of his shit together both inside and out these days. An outcome independent non needy guy that doenst need the validation of others to be happy and wants to give for the sake of giving. That would make you stand head and shoulders above 99% man these days.

(03-02-2018, 10:45 PM)Broski Wrote: I have also always had the inner feeling/belief that I was meant to do so much more with my life and a drive to be the best I could be yet was always held back by certain beliefs/obstacles. Im thinking dmsi might be helping me break through those obstacles and start to finally be on the path to becoming that guy

(03-05-2018, 10:53 AM)Shannon Wrote: Wow. That is some serious reversal resistance you have going on there.

(03-05-2018, 09:16 PM)sw72hw Wrote:

(03-05-2018, 10:53 AM)Shannon Wrote: Wow. That is some serious reversal resistance you have going on there.

I find it interesting that you think I have reversal resistance, because I don't feel like having any resistance, especially when I compare my experience to previous DMSI versions. With previous versions, I had serious impulses or feeling the need to go out, like "I gotta get out there and meet women. I gotta find right venue that I can also enjoy being there." Because I couldn't get myself to do it, nor even when I did it, it gave me much negative emotion, such as depression and anxiety. Also stress from academics had much influence as well.

Now, with DMSI 3.2, there is no such impulse or strong feeling to do something similar to what's stated above. Things feel very smooth and natural. However, I don't have stressor in my life currently, so things are also very different in my life, and that it may be related somehow.

At the same time, I am not really getting external results: I don't find people acting differently. This may be mainly due to the demographics, and my current logistics issues.

I sorta think I understand what you mean by my having serious reversal resistance, but I am also not sure what I am doing that is in a form of reversal resistance.

Would you mind elaborating more? Thanks.

(03-07-2018, 05:34 AM)Shannon Wrote: A lot of what you talk about doing and experiencing is the reverse of what you should be according to the script.

That is, by definition, reversal resistance.

And when reversing the script, it is usually done with enthusiasm by the subconscious because it is so motivated (by fear) to avoid the actual goals at any cost. So smoothness and naturality is probably just that and possibly an effort to fool you into thinking you're not resisting.

(03-04-2018, 10:20 PM)sw72hw Wrote: Nothing too special, but I see to notice change in my pornography, and masturbation pattern.

One, it seems that my taste for porn has slightly expanded. In the past, I didn't like hardcore pornography (okay, what I meant was I pretty much liked only sensual ones.), but now I started to enjoy a few of hardcore ones. (Or not necessarily sensual ones.) Can I handle super hardcore stuff? Nope, but nonetheless, I began enjoying a bit stronger stuff more than before. This isn't all that different from my previous DMSI runs.

Quote:Also on the porn note, begin to like POV ones more. It gives me more like the feeling of actually having sex. I didn't like POV before, but I suppose this isn't all that different from my previous runs with DMSI either.

Quote:Third thing I notice is change of masturbation pattern. During the long break (between 3.1 and 3.2) I didn't really have masturbation pattern. Sometimes, I'd do it daily, and some other times, I wouldn't do it for extended period of time, like 1 to 2 weeks. Since I listened to DMSI 3.2, it has become to a point that I'd do it for once per two days.

Quote:One thing that is very different about masturbation experience is that with previous version of DMSI, masturbation itself felt like resistance, or I felt like I had lots of resistance to masturbation itself. With this version, I don't feel any resistance to either the act itself, or feeling masturbation as a form of resistance. It just feels as if I am doing it more naturally like as if I am doing it in order to control my optimum sexual energy/fertility stuff. I don't know, all of it is so smooth that I don't feel any negativity associated with it.

Quote:Still, I still look at porn, nude pictures, and pictures of beautiful and hot girls everyday. It's like a habit. With previous version of DMSI, one small part of me felt as if I had to stop doing that. With this version, I don't feel that. It feels to me that this is a natural thing to do, and I'd just do it. (But of course, I wouldn't do that when my family member's around.) Some of the stuff I look at turn me on, but most of them don't turn me on or off. Rather, I look at some gorgeous women, and appreciate such beauty, and sexual energy that I can sorta feel from the picture or video.

Quote:Lastly, I am having much ease telling others (such as mom and cousin) that I find the girl good looking when I see some cute girls on TV.

Again, no external stuff, and most of it is pretty much internal stuff. I am going to need to find some opportunity to actually test the effectiveness. (Although it may be a terrible idea to do it, as MeToo stuff is getting really out of hand here, and people are starting to going nuts with accusation, and being protective, and etc.)

Quote:Other than the pornography and masturbation, I don't see things that are reverse of what DMSI should get me to do.

Quote:What would I be doing exactly, if I were not having the reverse resistance or any other form of resistance? (I quickly glanced the store page, but couldn't really get what I should be doing really. Perhaps I need to take a really close look at the stuff.)

Quote:Also, given that I have (serious) reverse resistance, should I stop listening to 3.2B, and wait for the A version to be released? I am asking as I believe that I need to stop listening to subs at least for 21 days, before switching to other subs.

(03-07-2018, 09:45 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(03-04-2018, 10:20 PM)sw72hw Wrote: Nothing too special, but I see to notice change in my pornography, and masturbation pattern.

One, it seems that my taste for porn has slightly expanded. In the past, I didn't like hardcore pornography (okay, what I meant was I pretty much liked only sensual ones.), but now I started to enjoy a few of hardcore ones. (Or not necessarily sensual ones.) Can I handle super hardcore stuff? Nope, but nonetheless, I began enjoying a bit stronger stuff more than before. This isn't all that different from my previous DMSI runs.

3.2 is telling you to stop using porn. You continue, and expand what you're doing into more hardcore material than before.

Quote:Also on the porn note, begin to like POV ones more. It gives me more like the feeling of actually having sex. I didn't like POV before, but I suppose this isn't all that different from my previous runs with DMSI either.

DMSI is telling you to stop using fantasy and porn as escapes from actually executing and instead get some real stuff. You respond by continuing the use of porn, and choosing types of porn that more effectively allow you to fantasize about having sex, instead of executing the script and getting the real thing.

Quote:Third thing I notice is change of masturbation pattern. During the long break (between 3.1 and 3.2) I didn't really have masturbation pattern. Sometimes, I'd do it daily, and some other times, I wouldn't do it for extended period of time, like 1 to 2 weeks. Since I listened to DMSI 3.2, it has become to a point that I'd do it for once per two days.

DMSI tells you to stop masturbating. You respond by continuing, and making a regular activity of it.

Quote:One thing that is very different about masturbation experience is that with previous version of DMSI, masturbation itself felt like resistance, or I felt like I had lots of resistance to masturbation itself. With this version, I don't feel any resistance to either the act itself, or feeling masturbation as a form of resistance. It just feels as if I am doing it more naturally like as if I am doing it in order to control my optimum sexual energy/fertility stuff. I don't know, all of it is so smooth that I don't feel any negativity associated with it.

DMSI tells you not to masturbate. You respond by making it feel more natural, comfortable and acceptable to masturbate.

Quote:Still, I still look at porn, nude pictures, and pictures of beautiful and hot girls everyday. It's like a habit. With previous version of DMSI, one small part of me felt as if I had to stop doing that. With this version, I don't feel that. It feels to me that this is a natural thing to do, and I'd just do it. (But of course, I wouldn't do that when my family member's around.) Some of the stuff I look at turn me on, but most of them don't turn me on or off. Rather, I look at some gorgeous women, and appreciate such beauty, and sexual energy that I can sorta feel from the picture or video.

DMSI tells you to stop looking at porn and pictures and using things of that nature to distract yourself from executing, waste time on instead of executing and avoid executing the script. You respond by doing exactly what it is telling you not to do, for exactly the reasons it is telling you not to do them.

Quote:Lastly, I am having much ease telling others (such as mom and cousin) that I find the girl good looking when I see some cute girls on TV.

Again, no external stuff, and most of it is pretty much internal stuff. I am going to need to find some opportunity to actually test the effectiveness. (Although it may be a terrible idea to do it, as MeToo stuff is getting really out of hand here, and people are starting to going nuts with accusation, and being protective, and etc.)

Quote:Other than the pornography and masturbation, I don't see things that are reverse of what DMSI should get me to do.

Are you executing the script or reverse executing the script? Are you preventing yourself from seeing what you're doing?

Quote:What would I be doing exactly, if I were not having the reverse resistance or any other form of resistance? (I quickly glanced the store page, but couldn't really get what I should be doing really. Perhaps I need to take a really close look at the stuff.)

You would not be masturbating. Not looking at porn. Not changing your masturbation habits. Not changing your tastes in porn. Not wasting time with pictures or distracting yourself from doing things that would otherwise put you in the presence of women you might have sex with instead. You would be feeling the aura, and getting the interest from women, and maybe getting women coming onto you and initiating sex, like more and more guys are reporting. And you would not apparently be deluding yourself into not seeing how you are resisting.

Quote:Also, given that I have (serious) reverse resistance, should I stop listening to 3.2B, and wait for the A version to be released? I am asking as I believe that I need to stop listening to subs at least for 21 days, before switching to other subs.

Translation: Please give me permission to stop using this program, Shannon. I dun wanna do this.

Why in hell would I tell you to stop? You're just looking for any excuse to have a reason to not have to deal with what the program is trying to get you to do. Of course I am going to tell you to keep going. And you don't need a 21 day break between A and B formats of the same version.

Keep using it. Be aware of what you are doing. Stop doing the things that are resistance.

(03-07-2018, 10:39 AM)sw72hw Wrote:

(03-07-2018, 09:45 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(03-04-2018, 10:20 PM)sw72hw Wrote: Nothing too special, but I see to notice change in my pornography, and masturbation pattern.

One, it seems that my taste for porn has slightly expanded. In the past, I didn't like hardcore pornography (okay, what I meant was I pretty much liked only sensual ones.), but now I started to enjoy a few of hardcore ones. (Or not necessarily sensual ones.) Can I handle super hardcore stuff? Nope, but nonetheless, I began enjoying a bit stronger stuff more than before. This isn't all that different from my previous DMSI runs.

3.2 is telling you to stop using porn. You continue, and expand what you're doing into more hardcore material than before.

Quote:Also on the porn note, begin to like POV ones more. It gives me more like the feeling of actually having sex. I didn't like POV before, but I suppose this isn't all that different from my previous runs with DMSI either.

DMSI is telling you to stop using fantasy and porn as escapes from actually executing and instead get some real stuff. You respond by continuing the use of porn, and choosing types of porn that more effectively allow you to fantasize about having sex, instead of executing the script and getting the real thing.

Quote:Third thing I notice is change of masturbation pattern. During the long break (between 3.1 and 3.2) I didn't really have masturbation pattern. Sometimes, I'd do it daily, and some other times, I wouldn't do it for extended period of time, like 1 to 2 weeks. Since I listened to DMSI 3.2, it has become to a point that I'd do it for once per two days.

DMSI tells you to stop masturbating. You respond by continuing, and making a regular activity of it.

Quote:One thing that is very different about masturbation experience is that with previous version of DMSI, masturbation itself felt like resistance, or I felt like I had lots of resistance to masturbation itself. With this version, I don't feel any resistance to either the act itself, or feeling masturbation as a form of resistance. It just feels as if I am doing it more naturally like as if I am doing it in order to control my optimum sexual energy/fertility stuff. I don't know, all of it is so smooth that I don't feel any negativity associated with it.

DMSI tells you not to masturbate. You respond by making it feel more natural, comfortable and acceptable to masturbate.

Quote:Still, I still look at porn, nude pictures, and pictures of beautiful and hot girls everyday. It's like a habit. With previous version of DMSI, one small part of me felt as if I had to stop doing that. With this version, I don't feel that. It feels to me that this is a natural thing to do, and I'd just do it. (But of course, I wouldn't do that when my family member's around.) Some of the stuff I look at turn me on, but most of them don't turn me on or off. Rather, I look at some gorgeous women, and appreciate such beauty, and sexual energy that I can sorta feel from the picture or video.

DMSI tells you to stop looking at porn and pictures and using things of that nature to distract yourself from executing, waste time on instead of executing and avoid executing the script. You respond by doing exactly what it is telling you not to do, for exactly the reasons it is telling you not to do them.

Quote:Lastly, I am having much ease telling others (such as mom and cousin) that I find the girl good looking when I see some cute girls on TV.

Again, no external stuff, and most of it is pretty much internal stuff. I am going to need to find some opportunity to actually test the effectiveness. (Although it may be a terrible idea to do it, as MeToo stuff is getting really out of hand here, and people are starting to going nuts with accusation, and being protective, and etc.)

Quote:Other than the pornography and masturbation, I don't see things that are reverse of what DMSI should get me to do.

Are you executing the script or reverse executing the script? Are you preventing yourself from seeing what you're doing?

Quote:What would I be doing exactly, if I were not having the reverse resistance or any other form of resistance? (I quickly glanced the store page, but couldn't really get what I should be doing really. Perhaps I need to take a really close look at the stuff.)

You would not be masturbating. Not looking at porn. Not changing your masturbation habits. Not changing your tastes in porn. Not wasting time with pictures or distracting yourself from doing things that would otherwise put you in the presence of women you might have sex with instead. You would be feeling the aura, and getting the interest from women, and maybe getting women coming onto you and initiating sex, like more and more guys are reporting. And you would not apparently be deluding yourself into not seeing how you are resisting.

Quote:Also, given that I have (serious) reverse resistance, should I stop listening to 3.2B, and wait for the A version to be released? I am asking as I believe that I need to stop listening to subs at least for 21 days, before switching to other subs.

Translation: Please give me permission to stop using this program, Shannon. I dun wanna do this.

Why in hell would I tell you to stop? You're just looking for any excuse to have a reason to not have to deal with what the program is trying to get you to do. Of course I am going to tell you to keep going. And you don't need a 21 day break between A and B formats of the same version.

Keep using it. Be aware of what you are doing. Stop doing the things that are resistance.

Cool. Thanks for the quick response. That was fast.

Basically it's the masturbation, porn, and looking at pictures that primarily count as reverse resistance. Anyway, looking at pictures didn't give me fantasies (I got to appreciate some of beauty, and got to see some of women's trends here, which are somewhat different from the states.).

Quote:Besides, I need to report that I am losing interest in doing all of above (interest in them became almost non existent, if not existent), and such that I am reducing the time spent doing on them quite significantly (I began noticing this last two days). Also, the masturbation pattern has been broken and such that I haven't masturbated for last three days, and it feels that I am not going to do that any time soon. (I can guarantee that I won't be doing that tonight.) I wonder how long can I not ejaculate before getting to unhealthy level? (Or does it not matter at all?) I'd seriously hate to have wet dream, as I am currently living with my parents, and my mom does the laundry for the entire family. (Logistics issue, and it's quite normal to live with parents here.)

Quote:I wonder if it (looking at porn, masturbation, and etc) was some sort of last thing before DMSI started to kick in. (Please do keep in mind that the last time I listened to DMSI prior to 3.2 was at least several months to half a year ago.) Either way, things are changing, but the biggest obstacles are going to be the logistics and the situation I am currently in.

Quote:On a side note, I am not feeling any aura or energy, nor there has been any change in women's behavior. Well, only women I happened to have stumbled upon are by no means attractive nor pursuable. (All married, have children (and grandchildren).)

Quote:I heard that it's very difficult to find attractive women in gym in this country. They happen to be present in only a few specific gyms, or they would do yoga or Pilates. Not sure about Pilates, but I found that I can't sign up group yoga as a man, as the instructor wouldn't let a guy in, based on (presumed or factual) assumption that female students would feel very uncomfortable having men in the same class, as much skin is exposed when doing yoga postures.

Quote:Also, I want you to know that I didn't think about quitting the stuff. You have totally misunderstood my intention, or you have taken that part a bit too strongly. I only asked about stopping B version as it seemed to me clearing was needed (based on what I have read about reverse resistance on glossary page), so that I thought changing to A version as quickly as possible would be necessary to getting results as quickly as possible. If that isn't necessary, then I'm cool with sticking to B version. Besides, I am also curious to see if 3.2B version would be effective. So far it seemed to me that it is quite effective (as it feels very smooth and natural), but will it be effective enough to actually bring me the desired (external) outcomes?

Quote:Porn, masturbation, and looking at female pictures are all starting to go down, and when I looked at porn or the pictures, I had not fantasized, I just glanced and moved on. (At least that's what it was like two days ago.) I suppose this is a sign that the reverse resistance is disappearing?

Quote:To me, the biggest hurdle that DMSI will need to overcome apart from making me sexually irresistible and making women to take initiative is going to be the logistics and reality/situation. Let's see how much reality bending this version can bring.