(12-17-2017, 12:05 AM)Determined Wrote:

(12-16-2017, 11:54 PM)thor2014 Wrote: Shannon I believe this one will be a top seller and will benefit alot of older men here immensely.

I disagree. I've found many older men I know have accepted aging and hence aren't too concerned with anti-aging.

(05-16-2018, 01:11 AM)Nox Wrote:

(12-17-2017, 12:05 AM)Determined Wrote:

(12-16-2017, 11:54 PM)thor2014 Wrote: Shannon I believe this one will be a top seller and will benefit alot of older men here immensely.

I disagree. I've found many older men I know have accepted aging and hence aren't too concerned with anti-aging.

A lot of people accept things because they have to, not because they want to.

(05-16-2018, 10:15 AM)Determined Wrote:

(05-16-2018, 01:11 AM)Nox Wrote:

(12-17-2017, 12:05 AM)Determined Wrote:

(12-16-2017, 11:54 PM)thor2014 Wrote: Shannon I believe this one will be a top seller and will benefit alot of older men here immensely.

I disagree. I've found many older men I know have accepted aging and hence aren't too concerned with anti-aging.

A lot of people accept things because they have to, not because they want to.

"What you resist, persists. What you accept, you gain the power to transform"

(12-17-2017, 12:05 AM)Determined Wrote:

(12-16-2017, 11:54 PM)thor2014 Wrote: Shannon I believe this one will be a top seller and will benefit alot of older men here immensely.

I disagree. I've found many older men I know have accepted aging and hence aren't too concerned with anti-aging.

(05-19-2018, 12:05 AM)Zane Wrote: Do can slow down ageing changing alot of things in ur life. You might look 10-20 years younger but still u will grow old. Everyone has to grow old u cant stop it...Unless u turn urself into a "Brick" or "Chair".

There are people who I have read that took extreme measures and made extreme changes to their lifestyle and crossed over like 100...They said that diet was their secret.

Other who did it said that they always try to be happy and said being positive was the reason...

(05-19-2018, 12:11 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 12:05 AM)Zane Wrote: Do can slow down ageing changing alot of things in ur life. You might look 10-20 years younger but still u will grow old. Everyone has to grow old u cant stop it...Unless u turn urself into a "Brick" or "Chair".

There are people who I have read that took extreme measures and made extreme changes to their lifestyle and crossed over like 100...They said that diet was their secret.

Other who did it said that they always try to be happy and said being positive was the reason...

If you can make the last 30 or 40 years of life full of health and happiness rather than the pain and misery of diseases like dementia and arthritis, why on earth not?

(05-19-2018, 01:52 AM)Determined Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 12:11 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 12:05 AM)Zane Wrote: Do can slow down ageing changing alot of things in ur life. You might look 10-20 years younger but still u will grow old. Everyone has to grow old u cant stop it...Unless u turn urself into a "Brick" or "Chair".

There are people who I have read that took extreme measures and made extreme changes to their lifestyle and crossed over like 100...They said that diet was their secret.

Other who did it said that they always try to be happy and said being positive was the reason...

If you can make the last 30 or 40 years of life full of health and happiness rather than the pain and misery of diseases like dementia and arthritis, why on earth not?

I think you're being a bit fantastical here. Realistically speaking, Shannon isn't making any claims that the last years of life will be free of suffering, that's just a hyperbolic claim you've made to illustrate a point.

Going back to your earlier equivalence, you're relating Beta Males not wanting to change to aging, which is a gross fallacy. Aging is inevitable, a beta male who is aware of his condition and not wanting to become more alpha, is a choice.

I stand by my earlier position, there are some things that can be done better with good diet and nutrition, biohacking (and if you want to go the full mile) genomic sequencing to find out your risk factors.

Shannon has stated that he has no interest in making subs which alter DNA, so that already limits the scope of what an "anti aging" sub could do. So at best, this is only going to change the beliefs one has about health and longevity.

(05-19-2018, 02:40 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 01:52 AM)Determined Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 12:11 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 12:05 AM)Zane Wrote: Do can slow down ageing changing alot of things in ur life. You might look 10-20 years younger but still u will grow old. Everyone has to grow old u cant stop it...Unless u turn urself into a "Brick" or "Chair".

There are people who I have read that took extreme measures and made extreme changes to their lifestyle and crossed over like 100...They said that diet was their secret.

Other who did it said that they always try to be happy and said being positive was the reason...

If you can make the last 30 or 40 years of life full of health and happiness rather than the pain and misery of diseases like dementia and arthritis, why on earth not?

I think you're being a bit fantastical here. Realistically speaking, Shannon isn't making any claims that the last years of life will be free of suffering, that's just a hyperbolic claim you've made to illustrate a point.

Going back to your earlier equivalence, you're relating Beta Males not wanting to change to aging, which is a gross fallacy. Aging is inevitable, a beta male who is aware of his condition and not wanting to become more alpha, is a choice.

I stand by my earlier position, there are some things that can be done better with good diet and nutrition, biohacking (and if you want to go the full mile) genomic sequencing to find out your risk factors.

Shannon has stated that he has no interest in making subs which alter DNA, so that already limits the scope of what an "anti aging" sub could do. So at best, this is only going to change the beliefs one has about health and longevity.

Many beta males see being beta as inevitable, so they do nothing. Many people see being poor as inevitable, so they do nothing. Many people see being unsuccessful with the opposite sex as inevitable, so they do nothing. The people who come to this site are generally not resigned to their fate. That was the point I was making, I thought that would be pretty obvious. Yes, aging is inevitable, but its speed is not set in stone. It is not about altering DNA, it is about altering the expression of your genes. There are many epigenetic factors that can be affected by environment, psychology, mood, stress, belief, diet, exercise etc, etc. Just look into research of Bruce Lipton, or not, as you choose.

But you stay as resigned to your fate as you want, it's really of no importance to me.

(05-19-2018, 03:18 AM)Determined Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 02:40 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 01:52 AM)Determined Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 12:11 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 12:05 AM)Zane Wrote: Do can slow down ageing changing alot of things in ur life. You might look 10-20 years younger but still u will grow old. Everyone has to grow old u cant stop it...Unless u turn urself into a "Brick" or "Chair".

There are people who I have read that took extreme measures and made extreme changes to their lifestyle and crossed over like 100...They said that diet was their secret.

Other who did it said that they always try to be happy and said being positive was the reason...

If you can make the last 30 or 40 years of life full of health and happiness rather than the pain and misery of diseases like dementia and arthritis, why on earth not?

I think you're being a bit fantastical here. Realistically speaking, Shannon isn't making any claims that the last years of life will be free of suffering, that's just a hyperbolic claim you've made to illustrate a point.

Going back to your earlier equivalence, you're relating Beta Males not wanting to change to aging, which is a gross fallacy. Aging is inevitable, a beta male who is aware of his condition and not wanting to become more alpha, is a choice.

I stand by my earlier position, there are some things that can be done better with good diet and nutrition, biohacking (and if you want to go the full mile) genomic sequencing to find out your risk factors.

Shannon has stated that he has no interest in making subs which alter DNA, so that already limits the scope of what an "anti aging" sub could do. So at best, this is only going to change the beliefs one has about health and longevity.

Many beta males see being beta as inevitable, so they do nothing. Many people see being poor as inevitable, so they do nothing. Many people see being unsuccessful with the opposite sex as inevitable, so they do nothing. The people who come to this site are generally not resigned to their fate. That was the point I was making, I thought that would be pretty obvious. Yes, aging is inevitable, but its speed is not set in stone. It is not about altering DNA, it is about altering the expression of your genes. There are many epigenetic factors that can be affected by environment, psychology, mood, stress, belief, diet, exercise etc, etc. Just look into research of Bruce Lipton, or not, as you choose.

But you stay as resigned to your fate as you want, it's really of no importance to me.

I never said I was resigned to my fate, you're making a gross assumption there. All I said was "there are better ways than subliminal technology". I have my own methods of anti aging which I'm certain are more potent than a subliminal could hope to curtail.

Again, Shannon has stated he has no interest in influencing genes or gene expression. So an anti aging sub is very limited in what it could hope to achieve.

Again, going beyond your fantastical starry eyed vision of an "anti aging" sub, how are you going to translate all that research into a subliminal? Fundamentally, a subliminal is just a set of instructions to the brain which conveys those to the body. Therein, it's limited to the functionality of the human body. The methods I'm aware of go beyond the body to involve biohacking.

Hence as stated quite a few times "there are better ways for anti aging than a subliminal"

(05-19-2018, 03:46 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 03:18 AM)Determined Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 02:40 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 01:52 AM)Determined Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 12:11 AM)terry44 Wrote: If you can make the last 30 or 40 years of life full of health and happiness rather than the pain and misery of diseases like dementia and arthritis, why on earth not?

I think you're being a bit fantastical here. Realistically speaking, Shannon isn't making any claims that the last years of life will be free of suffering, that's just a hyperbolic claim you've made to illustrate a point.

Going back to your earlier equivalence, you're relating Beta Males not wanting to change to aging, which is a gross fallacy. Aging is inevitable, a beta male who is aware of his condition and not wanting to become more alpha, is a choice.

I stand by my earlier position, there are some things that can be done better with good diet and nutrition, biohacking (and if you want to go the full mile) genomic sequencing to find out your risk factors.

Shannon has stated that he has no interest in making subs which alter DNA, so that already limits the scope of what an "anti aging" sub could do. So at best, this is only going to change the beliefs one has about health and longevity.

Many beta males see being beta as inevitable, so they do nothing. Many people see being poor as inevitable, so they do nothing. Many people see being unsuccessful with the opposite sex as inevitable, so they do nothing. The people who come to this site are generally not resigned to their fate. That was the point I was making, I thought that would be pretty obvious. Yes, aging is inevitable, but its speed is not set in stone. It is not about altering DNA, it is about altering the expression of your genes. There are many epigenetic factors that can be affected by environment, psychology, mood, stress, belief, diet, exercise etc, etc. Just look into research of Bruce Lipton, or not, as you choose.

But you stay as resigned to your fate as you want, it's really of no importance to me.

I never said I was resigned to my fate, you're making a gross assumption there. All I said was "there are better ways than subliminal technology". I have my own methods of anti aging which I'm certain are more potent than a subliminal could hope to curtail.

Again, Shannon has stated he has no interest in influencing genes or gene expression. So an anti aging sub is very limited in what it could hope to achieve.

Again, going beyond your fantastical starry eyed vision of an "anti aging" sub, how are you going to translate all that research into a subliminal? Fundamentally, a subliminal is just a set of instructions to the brain which conveys those to the body. Therein, it's limited to the functionality of the human body. The methods I'm aware of go beyond the body to involve biohacking.

Hence as stated quite a few times "there are better ways for anti aging than a subliminal"

Look, I'm not really sure what the point of this conversation is. I'm not going to let a random person on an Internet forum change my mind on all the things I've read by dozens of epigeneticists, research biologists, cellular biologists, or other medical research scientists. You obviously know nothing about the huge field of epigenetics. But it's not just the expression of genes, even if you ignore the hundreds of effects the mind can have on genetic expression, stress can have a direct effect on the age of individual cells. Stress has been shown to erode the telomeres, which are the end caps that protect DNA when the cell divides. So any subliminal that lowers stress/anxiety/depression that Shannon has made will already have had an anti aging effect.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-athletes-way/201404/emotional-distress-can-speed-cellular-aging

(05-19-2018, 02:03 PM)Determined Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 03:46 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 03:18 AM)Determined Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 02:40 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 01:52 AM)Determined Wrote: I think you're being a bit fantastical here. Realistically speaking, Shannon isn't making any claims that the last years of life will be free of suffering, that's just a hyperbolic claim you've made to illustrate a point.

Going back to your earlier equivalence, you're relating Beta Males not wanting to change to aging, which is a gross fallacy. Aging is inevitable, a beta male who is aware of his condition and not wanting to become more alpha, is a choice.

I stand by my earlier position, there are some things that can be done better with good diet and nutrition, biohacking (and if you want to go the full mile) genomic sequencing to find out your risk factors.

Shannon has stated that he has no interest in making subs which alter DNA, so that already limits the scope of what an "anti aging" sub could do. So at best, this is only going to change the beliefs one has about health and longevity.

Many beta males see being beta as inevitable, so they do nothing. Many people see being poor as inevitable, so they do nothing. Many people see being unsuccessful with the opposite sex as inevitable, so they do nothing. The people who come to this site are generally not resigned to their fate. That was the point I was making, I thought that would be pretty obvious. Yes, aging is inevitable, but its speed is not set in stone. It is not about altering DNA, it is about altering the expression of your genes. There are many epigenetic factors that can be affected by environment, psychology, mood, stress, belief, diet, exercise etc, etc. Just look into research of Bruce Lipton, or not, as you choose.

But you stay as resigned to your fate as you want, it's really of no importance to me.

I never said I was resigned to my fate, you're making a gross assumption there. All I said was "there are better ways than subliminal technology". I have my own methods of anti aging which I'm certain are more potent than a subliminal could hope to curtail.

Again, Shannon has stated he has no interest in influencing genes or gene expression. So an anti aging sub is very limited in what it could hope to achieve.

Again, going beyond your fantastical starry eyed vision of an "anti aging" sub, how are you going to translate all that research into a subliminal? Fundamentally, a subliminal is just a set of instructions to the brain which conveys those to the body. Therein, it's limited to the functionality of the human body. The methods I'm aware of go beyond the body to involve biohacking.

Hence as stated quite a few times "there are better ways for anti aging than a subliminal"

Look, I'm not really sure what the point of this conversation is. I'm not going to let a random person on an Internet forum change my mind on all the things I've read by dozens of epigeneticists, research biologists, cellular biologists, or other medical research scientists. You obviously know nothing about the huge field of epigenetics. But it's not just the expression of genes, even if you ignore the hundreds of effects the mind can have on genetic expression, stress can have a direct effect on the age of individual cells. Stress has been shown to erode the telomeres, which are the end caps that protect DNA when the cell divides. So any subliminal that lowers stress/anxiety/depression that Shannon has made will already have had an anti aging effect.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-athletes-way/201404/emotional-distress-can-speed-cellular-aging

Lol, I'm well aware of epigenetics. I'm not trying to convince you away from anything, just from what I know, I know there are better ways to increase longevity than a sub.

To add to Nox's comment, yes I agree 100%, combining both is the best solution. However,
1. Most people probably wouldn't, they'd just run the sub on its own and hope for the best
2. There is an opportunity cost involved in running a sub. Say if a person chooses the anti aging sub and has to run it continuously for several years to receive prolonged benefits, they have to forgo running other subs. If I was interested in prolonging my life (which I very much am) I'd rather utilise other methods of anti aging and have the freedom to use other subs, so that I can add more life to my years (as well as just adding more years to my life).

I respect you Terry and I respect your view.

(05-19-2018, 02:03 PM)Determined Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 03:46 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 03:18 AM)Determined Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 02:40 AM)terry44 Wrote:

(05-19-2018, 01:52 AM)Determined Wrote: I think you're being a bit fantastical here. Realistically speaking, Shannon isn't making any claims that the last years of life will be free of suffering, that's just a hyperbolic claim you've made to illustrate a point.

Going back to your earlier equivalence, you're relating Beta Males not wanting to change to aging, which is a gross fallacy. Aging is inevitable, a beta male who is aware of his condition and not wanting to become more alpha, is a choice.

I stand by my earlier position, there are some things that can be done better with good diet and nutrition, biohacking (and if you want to go the full mile) genomic sequencing to find out your risk factors.

Shannon has stated that he has no interest in making subs which alter DNA, so that already limits the scope of what an "anti aging" sub could do. So at best, this is only going to change the beliefs one has about health and longevity.

Many beta males see being beta as inevitable, so they do nothing. Many people see being poor as inevitable, so they do nothing. Many people see being unsuccessful with the opposite sex as inevitable, so they do nothing. The people who come to this site are generally not resigned to their fate. That was the point I was making, I thought that would be pretty obvious. Yes, aging is inevitable, but its speed is not set in stone. It is not about altering DNA, it is about altering the expression of your genes. There are many epigenetic factors that can be affected by environment, psychology, mood, stress, belief, diet, exercise etc, etc. Just look into research of Bruce Lipton, or not, as you choose.

But you stay as resigned to your fate as you want, it's really of no importance to me.

I never said I was resigned to my fate, you're making a gross assumption there. All I said was "there are better ways than subliminal technology". I have my own methods of anti aging which I'm certain are more potent than a subliminal could hope to curtail.

Again, Shannon has stated he has no interest in influencing genes or gene expression. So an anti aging sub is very limited in what it could hope to achieve.

Again, going beyond your fantastical starry eyed vision of an "anti aging" sub, how are you going to translate all that research into a subliminal? Fundamentally, a subliminal is just a set of instructions to the brain which conveys those to the body. Therein, it's limited to the functionality of the human body. The methods I'm aware of go beyond the body to involve biohacking.

Hence as stated quite a few times "there are better ways for anti aging than a subliminal"

Look, I'm not really sure what the point of this conversation is. I'm not going to let a random person on an Internet forum change my mind on all the things I've read by dozens of epigeneticists, research biologists, cellular biologists, or other medical research scientists. You obviously know nothing about the huge field of epigenetics. But it's not just the expression of genes, even if you ignore the hundreds of effects the mind can have on genetic expression, stress can have a direct effect on the age of individual cells. Stress has been shown to erode the telomeres, which are the end caps that protect DNA when the cell divides. So any subliminal that lowers stress/anxiety/depression that Shannon has made will already have had an anti aging effect.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-athletes-way/201404/emotional-distress-can-speed-cellular-aging

Lol, I'm well aware of epigenetics. I'm not trying to convince you away from anything, just from what I know, I know there are better ways to increase longevity than a sub.

To add to Nox's comment, yes I agree 100%, combining both is the best solution. However,
1. Most people probably wouldn't, they'd just run the sub on its own and hope for the best
2. There is an opportunity cost involved in running a sub. Say if a person chooses the anti aging sub and has to run it continuously for several years to receive prolonged benefits, they have to forgo running other subs. If I was interested in prolonging my life (which I very much am) I'd rather utilise other methods of anti aging and have the freedom to use other subs, so that I can add more life to my years (as well as just adding more years to my life).

I respect you Terry and I respect your view.