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RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - Shannon - 02-04-2016
In my experience, whenever you start experiencing depression while running a sub, it's because the subconscious self knows the sub is going to win if it doesn't try to stop you. Depression is it's way of saying to the conscious mind that it feels hopeless to void the fear it has, and it wants the conscious you to stop. In some cases, I have found that there is fear of being freed of fear, fear of being freed of guilt and fear of being freed of shame. The issue is that people are frequently taught that the guilt, shame and fear are keeping them safe from something, and that something is usually preposterous, but because this is input into their minds when they are very young, they have not yet developed critical thinking capacity when it happens, and they believe and accept it hook line and sinker as being true. Then they spend the rest of their lives being limited by the beliefs of their inner 4 or 5 or 6 year old, who didn't understand enough to realize that they were eventually going to be capable of handling all this without guilt, shame and fear.
Rock on.
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - Xyer - 02-04-2016
(02-04-2016, 07:47 AM)Shannon Wrote: In my experience, whenever you start experiencing depression while running a sub, it's because the subconscious self knows the sub is going to win if it doesn't try to stop you. Depression is it's way of saying to the conscious mind that it feels hopeless to void the fear it has, and it wants the conscious you to stop. In some cases, I have found that there is fear of being freed of fear, fear of being freed of guilt and fear of being freed of shame. The issue is that people are frequently taught that the guilt, shame and fear are keeping them safe from something, and that something is usually preposterous, but because this is input into their minds when they are very young, they have not yet developed critical thinking capacity when it happens, and they believe and accept it hook line and sinker as being true. Then they spend the rest of their lives being limited by the beliefs of their inner 4 or 5 or 6 year old, who didn't understand enough to realize that they were eventually going to be capable of handling all this without guilt, shame and fear.
Rock on.
Rock on Shannon. That's great explanation, you're like professor. But what about sargemaximus experience while using SM v.3 he's not just depression, he almost suicide. "whenever you start experiencing depression while running a sub, it's because the subconscious self knows the sub is going to win if it doesn't try to stop you", does in sargemaximus case, the subconscious thought that suicide is the most right answer in the situation or not? Thank you for your kind answer.
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - Shannon - 02-04-2016
(02-04-2016, 08:13 AM)Xyer Wrote:(02-04-2016, 07:47 AM)Shannon Wrote: In my experience, whenever you start experiencing depression while running a sub, it's because the subconscious self knows the sub is going to win if it doesn't try to stop you. Depression is it's way of saying to the conscious mind that it feels hopeless to void the fear it has, and it wants the conscious you to stop. In some cases, I have found that there is fear of being freed of fear, fear of being freed of guilt and fear of being freed of shame. The issue is that people are frequently taught that the guilt, shame and fear are keeping them safe from something, and that something is usually preposterous, but because this is input into their minds when they are very young, they have not yet developed critical thinking capacity when it happens, and they believe and accept it hook line and sinker as being true. Then they spend the rest of their lives being limited by the beliefs of their inner 4 or 5 or 6 year old, who didn't understand enough to realize that they were eventually going to be capable of handling all this without guilt, shame and fear.
Rock on.
Rock on Shannon. That's great explanation, you're like professor. But what about sargemaximus experience while using SM v.3 he's not just depression, he almost suicide. "whenever you start experiencing depression while running a sub, it's because the subconscious self knows the sub is going to win if it doesn't try to stop you", does in sargemaximus case, the subconscious thought that suicide is the most right answer in the situation or not? Thank you for your kind answer.
void should have been "avoid".
In Sargemaximus' case, he's dealing with an extreme fear. The more extreme the fear, the more extreme the response. I have seen people respond with depression that became a threat of suicide from their subconscious, and of course I'm never going to advise people to do something that risks their life. Unfortunately, that just leads to staying where you are because the subconscious wins. So we have to find a different way to approach the issue, or the person has to outgrow being influenced so strongly by their subconscious fears that they would seriously entertain things like suicide. I think the solution in general is to make the process less fearful and more comfortable. The rate of change to time has to adjust to what the person can handle.
There are a variety of ways the subconscious can react to get you to stop something that it fears. Threats of suicide is just one. But in the end it's up to the person how they respond to those threats and reactions. Self destruction to avoid dealing with a fear is pretty unreasonable, but then, emotions are unreasonable.
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - Xyer - 02-04-2016
(02-04-2016, 08:29 AM)Shannon Wrote:(02-04-2016, 08:13 AM)Xyer Wrote:(02-04-2016, 07:47 AM)Shannon Wrote: In my experience, whenever you start experiencing depression while running a sub, it's because the subconscious self knows the sub is going to win if it doesn't try to stop you. Depression is it's way of saying to the conscious mind that it feels hopeless to void the fear it has, and it wants the conscious you to stop. In some cases, I have found that there is fear of being freed of fear, fear of being freed of guilt and fear of being freed of shame. The issue is that people are frequently taught that the guilt, shame and fear are keeping them safe from something, and that something is usually preposterous, but because this is input into their minds when they are very young, they have not yet developed critical thinking capacity when it happens, and they believe and accept it hook line and sinker as being true. Then they spend the rest of their lives being limited by the beliefs of their inner 4 or 5 or 6 year old, who didn't understand enough to realize that they were eventually going to be capable of handling all this without guilt, shame and fear.
Rock on.
Rock on Shannon. That's great explanation, you're like professor. But what about sargemaximus experience while using SM v.3 he's not just depression, he almost suicide. "whenever you start experiencing depression while running a sub, it's because the subconscious self knows the sub is going to win if it doesn't try to stop you", does in sargemaximus case, the subconscious thought that suicide is the most right answer in the situation or not? Thank you for your kind answer.
void should have been "avoid".
In Sargemaximus' case, he's dealing with an extreme fear. The more extreme the fear, the more extreme the response. I have seen people respond with depression that became a threat of suicide from their subconscious, and of course I'm never going to advise people to do something that risks their life. Unfortunately, that just leads to staying where you are because the subconscious wins. So we have to find a different way to approach the issue, or the person has to outgrow being influenced so strongly by their subconscious fears that they would seriously entertain things like suicide. I think the solution in general is to make the process less fearful and more comfortable. The rate of change to time has to adjust to what the person can handle.
There are a variety of ways the subconscious can react to get you to stop something that it fears. Threats of suicide is just one. But in the end it's up to the person how they respond to those threats and reactions. Self destruction to avoid dealing with a fear is pretty unreasonable, but then, emotions are unreasonable.
Well, then maybe the conclusion is you'll make 6G "softer" but more "powerful", haha. I don't know how to "upgrade" something being softer but stronger. Well, you're the specialist, you know how to accomplish it. Cheers, like you said, we will support you through buying products, not donation.
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - Shannon - 02-04-2016
You make it gentler, as in, instead of a forced march, you make it so that the person does what the script is suggesting, but they do it at the optimal speed and level of intensity for their unique circumstances. It will then work at different speeds for different people, but always be making progress, instead of in some cases, triggering massive resistance.
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - Bliss - 02-04-2016
(02-04-2016, 08:39 AM)Xyer Wrote:(02-04-2016, 08:29 AM)Shannon Wrote:(02-04-2016, 08:13 AM)Xyer Wrote:(02-04-2016, 07:47 AM)Shannon Wrote: In my experience, whenever you start experiencing depression while running a sub, it's because the subconscious self knows the sub is going to win if it doesn't try to stop you. Depression is it's way of saying to the conscious mind that it feels hopeless to void the fear it has, and it wants the conscious you to stop. In some cases, I have found that there is fear of being freed of fear, fear of being freed of guilt and fear of being freed of shame. The issue is that people are frequently taught that the guilt, shame and fear are keeping them safe from something, and that something is usually preposterous, but because this is input into their minds when they are very young, they have not yet developed critical thinking capacity when it happens, and they believe and accept it hook line and sinker as being true. Then they spend the rest of their lives being limited by the beliefs of their inner 4 or 5 or 6 year old, who didn't understand enough to realize that they were eventually going to be capable of handling all this without guilt, shame and fear.
Rock on.
Rock on Shannon. That's great explanation, you're like professor. But what about sargemaximus experience while using SM v.3 he's not just depression, he almost suicide. "whenever you start experiencing depression while running a sub, it's because the subconscious self knows the sub is going to win if it doesn't try to stop you", does in sargemaximus case, the subconscious thought that suicide is the most right answer in the situation or not? Thank you for your kind answer.
void should have been "avoid".
In Sargemaximus' case, he's dealing with an extreme fear. The more extreme the fear, the more extreme the response. I have seen people respond with depression that became a threat of suicide from their subconscious, and of course I'm never going to advise people to do something that risks their life. Unfortunately, that just leads to staying where you are because the subconscious wins. So we have to find a different way to approach the issue, or the person has to outgrow being influenced so strongly by their subconscious fears that they would seriously entertain things like suicide. I think the solution in general is to make the process less fearful and more comfortable. The rate of change to time has to adjust to what the person can handle.
There are a variety of ways the subconscious can react to get you to stop something that it fears. Threats of suicide is just one. But in the end it's up to the person how they respond to those threats and reactions. Self destruction to avoid dealing with a fear is pretty unreasonable, but then, emotions are unreasonable.
Well, then maybe the conclusion is you'll make 6G "softer" but more "powerful", haha. I don't know how to "upgrade" something being softer but stronger. Well, you're the specialist, you know how to accomplish it. Cheers, like you said, we will support you through buying products, not donation.
As much as I don't enjoy these feelings, I can understand the process. They're like growing pains.
I wouldn't say I've had suicidal thoughts before but Ive had a strong feeling of not wanting to 'be here' on earth anymore. I think it's important to understand that the subconscious mind is an amazing ally and was either taught some bogus ideas or is overprotective. It's like the kid who doesn't want to swallow the yucky medicine... He'll be happy when he's all better though.
Perhaps these fears, and difficult thoughts and insecurities are also opportunities to be a badass. I mean how Alpha is it to face your demons and come out a stronger man. Especially death. That's at least how I try to reframe situations in my life
Thanks for your response guys. I love hearing your point of view
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - Daredevil - 02-04-2016
(02-04-2016, 11:29 AM)Shannon Wrote: You make it gentler, as in, instead of a forced march, you make it so that the person does what the script is suggesting, but they do it at the optimal speed and level of intensity for their unique circumstances. It will then work at different speeds for different people, but always be making progress, instead of in some cases, triggering massive resistance.
Shannon can you tell me about manifesting weird illnesses during my EPHRA run, Tinnitus, rashes(no allergies), getting a cold that lasted longer than usual, ears were acting up etc.
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - Shannon - 02-04-2016
(02-04-2016, 04:28 PM)Hercules Wrote:(02-04-2016, 11:29 AM)Shannon Wrote: You make it gentler, as in, instead of a forced march, you make it so that the person does what the script is suggesting, but they do it at the optimal speed and level of intensity for their unique circumstances. It will then work at different speeds for different people, but always be making progress, instead of in some cases, triggering massive resistance.
Shannon can you tell me about manifesting weird illnesses during my EPHRA run, Tinnitus, rashes(no allergies), getting a cold that lasted longer than usual, ears were acting up etc.
Well I don't know whether or not those things are a result of EHPRA, and I don't think there's really any definitive way to know if they are. Coincidence does not equal causation. I have seen one person react with a very painful rash that developed within a week and went away within a week of her stopping, and that was apparently caused by her extraordinarily traumatic past being more than she could handle dealing with at that speed. Aside from that, I haven't seen anything else in that direction.
If what you're talking about has anything to do with EHPRA, I would say that the only thing that you mention that has reasonable possible correlation might be the rash, and that it would be due to resistance. What else is there to say?
I would not expect the majority of what you mentioned would have correlation, however.
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - Bliss - 02-05-2016
Day 6:
Today was pretty good
I wasn't feeling as much heavy resistance as I was yesterday and I seemed to be more accepting of myself. A big part of my shame revolves around being shy and feeling vulnerable and the fear that others will take advantage of me in that state. Some painters came to quote the room Im renting and I felt quite shy and well... It was ok. I usually shut down/feel worthless when that happens but this time I didn't feel so bad about it.Another interesting thing is that there were two situations today that I noticed a familiar fear arise, and both of the times it felt like I was being presented choices:
A. Do what I usually do and attempt to avoid it
B. Or just face it and deal with whatever happens
On both occasions I just naturally went with B. It didn't make sense to listen to fear + I felt really good about myself after
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - Bliss - 02-06-2016
Day 7:
Wow, already one week down.
Today was really nice. I felt super calm and happy, and I noticed that I'm taking myself less seriously. Like, I was walking in the park and as this cute girl walked past I tripped just a little. Prior to OGSF I would have been embarrassed and probably felt like a bit of a loser, but today I just laughed it off. I actually found it funny. Feels good to be able to laugh at myself
I was also getting some positive attention from a lot of girls today. I must have been giving off good energy because some girls were gawking. One girl in particular was sitting on the ground at a bus stop and as I walked past she was staring at me so submissively, turned me on tbh
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - CatMan - 02-06-2016
Amazing results so far from all of you on OF/OGSF 5G.
I'm a bit behind on epicness, I need to catch up soon haha
.Hopefully I'm next! Keep going, great posts from you, Bliss.
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - Bliss - 02-06-2016
(02-06-2016, 01:53 AM)CatMan Wrote: Amazing results so far from all of you on OF/OGSF 5G.
I'm a bit behind on epicness, I need to catch up soon haha
Hopefully I'm next! Keep going, great posts from you, Bliss.
Thanks CatMan. You have that laser focus with OF though. Shiz gonna get crazy real quick
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - CatMan - 02-06-2016
(02-06-2016, 02:04 AM)bliss Wrote: Thanks CatMan. You have that laser focus with OF though. Shiz gonna get crazy real quick
That's exactly my hope!
I was told I need "focused fear destruction", due to my failure on SM3. So, okay, even though Shannon has talked about the interdependency of GSF usually, I understand the logic in select cases.
With this kind of pure "Laserlike Focus And Concentration 3G" lol (it's the name of an old school sub I think haha), it should start getting pretty amazing soon. I'm predicting it could be even HIGHER growth than what AM6 gave me, the first time around.
Last night I had a dream I was the Terminator. I'm sure the T101 is fearless. So yeah, that was awesome lmao.
RE: Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear 5g - Bliss - 02-06-2016
(02-06-2016, 11:40 AM)CatMan Wrote:(02-06-2016, 02:04 AM)bliss Wrote: Thanks CatMan. You have that laser focus with OF though. Shiz gonna get crazy real quickLast night I had a dream I was the Terminator. I'm sure the T101 is fearless. So yeah, that was awesome lmao.
It doesn't get anymore symbolic than f****** terminator haha :p