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RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - ffaux - 08-04-2015
(08-04-2015, 05:36 AM)Guero Wrote: ....Absolutely nothing. Not one thing has changed about me since using these products. In fact, I might be even more introverted. So after 2 years of nightly subs that are supposed to be soooo powerful on the mind, I can wholeheartedly say it's a complete placebo effect.
Not a fact. They work for me.
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - Spareness - 08-05-2015
(08-04-2015, 05:36 AM)Guero Wrote: ....Absolutely nothing. Not one thing has changed about me since using these products. In fact, I might be even more introverted. So after 2 years of nightly subs that are supposed to be soooo powerful on the mind, I can wholeheartedly say it's a complete placebo effect.
Just because it does not work for you, it does not mean it does not work for others and placebo. There is a chances that does not work for you, that mean there is also a chances you do not use it according to the rules or there are other problems.
You can explain the problem that you experience more detail, or you can ask for refund. I was wonder you did not ask this question earlier.
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - Shannon - 08-05-2015
(08-04-2015, 05:36 AM)Guero Wrote: ....Absolutely nothing. Not one thing has changed about me since using these products. In fact, I might be even more introverted. So after 2 years of nightly subs that are supposed to be soooo powerful on the mind, I can wholeheartedly say it's a complete placebo effect.
Guero, you are guilty of the same logic error that a lot of "scientists" are committing more and more, which is:
"There are only two possibilities, and it's not this one, so it's that one."
Wrong. There are ALWAYS possibilities you have not thought of, because you cannot possibly understand all of everything there is to know. That was one of the most profound pieces of wisdom my mentor ever gave me: There is always something on some higher level of knowledge or understanding that can explain it differently.
Your statement that "...I can wholeheartedly say it's a complete placebo effect." is based on the wild assumption that:
1. There are only two possible options (it always works, or it is only placebo).
2. Everyone is exactly the same as you in all ways.
3. You know everything there is to know about the mind, humans, how they work, yourself, and everything else - which is how you arrive at certainty in a black and white option in a world where things aren't just black or white.
So you did not get results. There are a lot of possible reasons. But saying that if it's not one, it's the other is faulty logic and black and white thinking. And it reveals why you didn't get results.
Let's consider the fact that different personalities and types of personalities have differing levels of strength, focus and willpower. This is a no-brainer, it's so obvious.
Those with a high level of strength, focus and willpower will be able to better resist change than others, if they so choose. Likewise, when and if they decide to change, it will be much faster and much more difficult to affect afterwards.
Now then, you getting no outward results that you detect from these programs after that long tells me two things.
A. You very likely have an extraordinarily high level of capacity for strength, focus and willpower in your personality, and
B. You have a very solid reason for preventing these programs from affecting you.
Remember, these programs are and always have been just a set of statements that are instructions for your subconscious mind. I've said this before, and I'll say it again:
If you buy something complicated that you need to assemble, and you refuse to follow the instructions that are known to lead to a finished assembly, it's a pretty good chance you will end up with something other than what you wanted. And is that the manufacturer's fault that you did not follow the instructions? According to the "logic" you're using here, it is. You're saying, "I did not choose to follow and execute the instructions these programs were giving me, so the programs must not work."
Now, why do some people get results and others don't? Because some people follow and execute the instructions, and others don't. And why would you not follow and execute the instructions? There's only one possible answer. You don't want to.
For some people, this boils down to a fear of not knowing what exactly the instructions are (even though subconsciously, they do know what the instructions are). Some people have this boil down to being afraid of losing control of themselves, even though by resisting they are demonstrating how preposterous this fear is. And so forth. But it always boils down to fear.
And, fear is the leading cause of black and white thinking. People who think in absolutes always do so out of fear. Once they start realizing their fears are unfounded and deal with those fears, they start realizing, hey, there's not seven colors in the rainbow, there's infinite colors! Hey, it's not just day or night, there's dawn and dusk, too! Hey, it's not just right or wrong, there are circumstances to consider as well! There are damned few true absolutes in this world.
So I would say that it is much more likely that it's not a placebo, it's you refusing to execute the instructions because you choose not to out of some fear - most likely fear of losing control of yourself. And because that fear is subconscious, you may not consciously know it's there without some self analyzation.
If I had the power to make everyone react according to the instructions of my subliminals all the time, as your black and white thinking assumes is Option A, then I would be the most powerful man in the world and I would go out of business because I would not need to earn a living. I could simply make people do my bidding and live that way. Free food forever!
But it isn't like that and it never will be. People have different levels of strength, different levels of fear, different levels of maturity and different pasts that lead to different points of view. They have different physiologies and different personalities, and some of those will be more likely to accept and execute the suggestions (not commands!) in the script, and some will be less likely. You, sir, are one of less than 1% of the population capable of resisting to the degree that you say you have.
Others can, will and do have a different experience. Why? Because placebo effect is not the only possible explanation, and it's not even the most likely.
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - JackOfHearts - 08-05-2015
The way his account is done it seems like a fake. But he might still be a real person and in that case you can see there is almost no report he has done what so ever, he has no journal.
He doesn't even explain how he used his subliminal, there is nothing. Just that it doesn't work.
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-4612-post-58304.html#pid58304
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-3303-post-48519.html#pid48519
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-4531-post-57777.html#pid57777
Another thing is that it seems like he never did 2 years of AM and then SM because it seems he started AM in 2014 so there is still a bit of time to complete 2 years and 6 month. But I might be wrong here, but he doesn't seems to know the alpha male sub in 2014 so it seems like a good guess:
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-4400-post-53855.html#pid53855
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - Guero - 08-06-2015
I followed instructions, 12-18 hours a day. No need for a journal since shouldn't being an alpha male with women all over you stand out? Lol. The claims these subs make are ridiculous and the most the could really be used with is treating anxiety and other mild mental disorders.
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - Guero - 08-06-2015
Alpha 360 you are definitely not alpha or even cool if you put all that effort into even looking me up. Why should you care if it works so well for you?
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - GlaizenGold777 - 08-06-2015
(08-06-2015, 02:50 AM)Guero Wrote: Alpha 360 you are definitely not alpha or even cool if you put all that effort into even looking me up. Why should you care if it works so well for you?
That's normal thing to do to prove are you just trolling or not.
Anyway there are plenty question on the first page, please answer that so we can discuss.
I don't know why you post here if you don't want to discuss anything.
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - adam225 - 08-06-2015
(08-06-2015, 02:48 AM)Guero Wrote: I followed instructions, 12-18 hours a day. No need for a journal since shouldn't being an alpha male with women all over you stand out? Lol. The claims these subs make are ridiculous and the most the could really be used with is treating anxiety and other mild mental disorders.
They may seem ridiculous to you, but they're not to anyone who they work for (like myself).
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - stratos - 08-06-2015
Some products won't work for some people. It's not a big deal. It's good to experiment with different products to see what works for you.
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - jbdefence - 08-06-2015
Your greatest weakness is not that you have learnt nothing, its that you have given up, you must open you mind, lose all expectations, try again and allow yourself to grow.
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - JackOfHearts - 08-06-2015
(08-06-2015, 02:50 AM)Guero Wrote: Alpha 360 you are definitely not alpha or even cool if you put all that effort into even looking me up. Why should you care if it works so well for you?
I like to know things like that. I don't think what I do is wrong or not alpha. And if it is I would gladly change it if I could. But I like my personality like that, until now I got a lot of benefit from my investigation. What I wrote wasn't to put you down and I understand that it seems like it. Sorry about that.
But when you criticize a product, do it properly. When someone make such a claim I try to understand who that guys is, to understand if such a thing is possible. But seeing how you are behaving now and how you were behaving it's clear that the product didn't work, on that I agree with you. Another point would be to know if you used the product properly, considering what you wrote in the past my trust is very low.
There is also the personality problem, some people don't get the same results, some don't see it, some don't even look deep enough, maybe some don't get results. On that I don't know.
What I know is that your account is not trustworthy. So your testimonial is to take very carefully.
And to answer your question, I care because sometimes I have my doubts too, sometimes I look very deep through some testimonials to see If I have not being lied upon. Sometimes I ask myself if Shannon is trustworthy, if his subliminals really works like he says. Until know I didn't find anything that prove that his subliminals doesn't work, the opposite is true, I always investigate even when I'm sure about something. It's exactly what I did when I saw your testimonial, I asked myself if this guy could be right and from my perspective it is highly unlikely.
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - guilotine - 08-06-2015
(08-04-2015, 05:36 AM)Guero Wrote: ....Absolutely nothing. Not one thing has changed about me since using these products. In fact, I might be even more introverted. So after 2 years of nightly subs that are supposed to be soooo powerful on the mind, I can wholeheartedly say it's a complete placebo effect.
Hey dude its all good. Some people don't seem to get results with them. I didn't get any results either after 1 year of AM5 and SM3. However I think everyone should give them a try because IML is a very transparent company and they will give you your money back if you do not get results.
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - Guero - 08-06-2015
(08-06-2015, 04:52 AM)jbdefence Wrote: Your greatest weakness is not that you have learnt nothing, its that you have given up, you must open you mind, lose all expectations, try again and allow yourself to grow.
That's where you're wrong. I used other techniques to become closest to who I want to be like meditation.
RE: What I've Learned from 2 Years of AM and Finishing SM 3.0 - Guero - 08-06-2015
(08-06-2015, 05:48 AM)Alpha360 Wrote:(08-06-2015, 02:50 AM)Guero Wrote: Alpha 360 you are definitely not alpha or even cool if you put all that effort into even looking me up. Why should you care if it works so well for you?
I like to know things like that. I don't think what I do is wrong or not alpha. And if it is I would gladly change it if I could. But I like my personality like that, until now I got a lot of benefit from my investigation. What I wrote wasn't to put you down and I understand that it seems like it. Sorry about that.
But when you criticize a product, do it properly. When someone make such a claim I try to understand who that guys is, to understand if such a thing is possible. But seeing how you are behaving now and how you were behaving it's clear that the product didn't work, on that I agree with you. Another point would be to know if you used the product properly, considering what you wrote in the past my trust is very low.
There is also the personality problem, some people don't get the same results, some don't see it, some don't even look deep enough, maybe some don't get results. On that I don't know.
What I know is that your account is not trustworthy. So your testimonial is to take very carefully.
And to answer your question, I care because sometimes I have my doubts too, sometimes I look very deep through some testimonials to see If I have not being lied upon. Sometimes I ask myself if Shannon is trustworthy, if his subliminals really works like he says. Until know I didn't find anything that prove that his subliminals doesn't work, the opposite is true, I always investigate even when I'm sure about something. It's exactly what I did when I saw your testimonial, I asked myself if this guy could be right and from my perspective it is highly unlikely.
My account isn't "untrustworthy"... What nonsense. I did everything completely and beyond the average 8 hours a day even. No nights were missed. The point is there's not a lot of science to back up this placebo:'s claims. Not saying subliminal messaging doesn't work to an extent.
If anything, gaining a benefit from these products just shows how strong your mind really was to make changes through only a placebo.