(02-16-2015, 01:27 PM)4Kingdoms Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 11:51 AM)orange blossom Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 08:47 AM)FREAK4LIFE Wrote: What does it even mean when you say a "real" relationship? S

Surely I would hope to think people were not going around looking for a "fake" relationship!

Isnt it a bit obvious what I mean?

a monogamous serious relationship.
If a guy doesnt want me caus im not giving him sex fast enough he can **** off.
I wouldnt want to date such a jackass to begin with.
If he really likes me that much he would have a bit patience.

I used to want a monogamous serious relationship. Then girl after girl promising me sex after the 3rd, 4th, or 5th date and telling me she changed her mind. (I'm spending a lot of money trying to be patient.)

The final straw was... This girl told me if I showed interest in her for one year she would go on a date with me. She wanted space because she got tired of being used by guys. A year later, bringing her coffee every day and a one dozen donuts every week for her to share with her co-workers... (more money being spent trying to be patient) she tells me, "I'm interested in someone else." A married man, he left his wife for her.

After watching them everyday at work cuddling and kissing, having three children together before actually getting married. I had to reevaluate my situation with women. To become the man I despise the most... a player.

Some days I wondered who taught girls to do things like this... not to just one guy, several guys! I see different girls/women doing it the same thing to different boys/men. Playing hard to get, over and over again.

(02-16-2015, 06:48 AM)orange blossom Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 02:51 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 02:35 AM)maniac360 Wrote: Most men are judgy that's why they don't even want to get serious, thinking a girl is a ***** because she have sex on the first night.
It depends on the social conditioning, if there was none you would do it the sooner.

And it is because of this labeling, name calling, beliefs that stop women from having sex with a man too soon. If the men that got lucky kept their thoughts to themselves and the women that are calling her names kept their thoughts to themselves. More women would be having sex.

History shows when young male Americans went to Europe in WW1 and WW2. They easily got laid because they didn't have the social stigma holding them back.

Trust me, Its not just that. I personally wouldnt even want to date a guy who thinks its necessary to have sex only a few days after meeting.
Sex shouldnt be the most important thing and if he cannot wait a bit it sounds like the guy has no control. What if the girl goes on a trip with a group of female friends or maybe her family? She should just let him cheat caus he cant handle a few days or weeks without sex? It also makes a girl feel like she is just a piece of meat because everything else about her isnt good enough to make him stay.
Im not saying she should torture him by waiting forever or untill marriage ( what a horror ) but if a guy wants to get in your pants in a few days or even weeks it sounds like they JUST want to get into your pants...
Its not just about what other people think... thats just a small part of it.
Of course im speaking for myself, pretty sure there are enough women out there who dont give a damn and sleep around as if its a handshake.
But yeah Im not really a party girl.

(02-16-2015, 10:31 PM)maniac360 Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 06:48 AM)orange blossom Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 02:51 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 02:35 AM)maniac360 Wrote: Most men are judgy that's why they don't even want to get serious, thinking a girl is a ***** because she have sex on the first night.
It depends on the social conditioning, if there was none you would do it the sooner.

And it is because of this labeling, name calling, beliefs that stop women from having sex with a man too soon. If the men that got lucky kept their thoughts to themselves and the women that are calling her names kept their thoughts to themselves. More women would be having sex.

History shows when young male Americans went to Europe in WW1 and WW2. They easily got laid because they didn't have the social stigma holding them back.

Trust me, Its not just that. I personally wouldnt even want to date a guy who thinks its necessary to have sex only a few days after meeting.
Sex shouldnt be the most important thing and if he cannot wait a bit it sounds like the guy has no control. What if the girl goes on a trip with a group of female friends or maybe her family? She should just let him cheat caus he cant handle a few days or weeks without sex? It also makes a girl feel like she is just a piece of meat because everything else about her isnt good enough to make him stay.
Im not saying she should torture him by waiting forever or untill marriage ( what a horror ) but if a guy wants to get in your pants in a few days or even weeks it sounds like they JUST want to get into your pants...
Its not just about what other people think... thats just a small part of it.
Of course im speaking for myself, pretty sure there are enough women out there who dont give a damn and sleep around as if its a handshake.
But yeah Im not really a party girl.

You don't see my point here. You clearly didn't understand what I said. it's normal if you are used to think like that for a long time. Stay rational for moment, put your feeling aside for a second. I'm sure when you read my text above you jump on your feeling which is normal but put them aside for second.
It's all about belief. Change country for example where they have a complete different belief like Scandinavia. Sex is not a big deal for them over there.

Another way to look at it would be if you would make a big deal for just kissing a guy. Say you would wait 7 days to see if the guy is worth it before kissing. The man would think this girl is crazy for doing such a thing. Sex is no bigger or lesser than kissing a girl, it's a part of the relationship to me. Your belief about sex doesn't meet reality, it's a dream, a dream that come from TV.

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Trust me, Its not just that. I personally wouldn't even want to date a guy who thinks its necessary to have sex only a few days after meeting." Do you think it would be necessary to kiss a guy in a relationship? How would you react if a man would tell you that he doesn't kiss a girl on the first 10 days?

If you read carefully what I said I didn't mean it was necessary but that it was a natural thing to do. Just as simple as that. Too much unnecessary belief is added to sex. You still have some country where people see sex as natural, they weren't conditioned by media, religion, etc. To me they are much more healthy as a result, they would think the occidental country are crazy to think that way. That's where you have to study your feeling carefully because they are linked to your belief. Compare the 2 belief system and tell me logically which system seems more practical and healthy.

(02-17-2015, 03:57 AM)maniac360 Wrote: Ok you are not open minded obviously, sorry. I thought you were here to discuss and share. I just wanted you to see my point of view but you still don't. Sorry to bother again.

(02-17-2015, 11:56 AM)Shannon Wrote: A lot of guys don't understand that sex is a very intimate thing for a woman, because she is receiving him inside herself, because it makes her physically and emotionally vulnerable, and because it puts her at risk of disease or pregnancy. Younger guys, especially these days, tend to view sex as if everyone were male. Males are given the freedom, and indeed, expected to, have sex at the drop of a hat. Sex is usually a much different matter and experience for a man than a woman, given that he has the freedom to do this and she is expected to abide by a long list of rules and regulations. There are more than 134 different things a woman considers before having sex, but for men, it's more likely to be "Will this get my ass kicked?" and "Is it hard yet?" Male pattern blindness makes for an assumption that everyone is playing on the same field, by the same rules, and the same game. Guys, that's not the case. Her stating her case and sticking to what she believes doesn't make her close-minded. It means she has a different point of view than you do. Not everyone will think like you, in either direction.

(02-19-2015, 09:52 AM)MannSchaft Wrote: I know what the problem is. Yes I have it all figured out :angel:

Shannon should make a "Healthy Body Image" sub. Every crappy subliminal maker has one at the top. This sub is a must or something similar like"Love the way you look", etc. BIA... subs give you that but the outside attention becomes disturbing.

So, a sub with the main goal of making the user find himself/herself attractive/handsome/beautiful and if others find you attractive(which some will definitely do) then its a good side effect.

(02-20-2015, 06:18 PM)yeah! Wrote: You will become more attractive on EPHRA for sure, you will also probably (possibly?) develop a zen attitude as well. EPHRA seems to be making me a bit less motivated though but this could be excuse making/resistance or something (in regards to LTU).

(02-17-2015, 11:56 AM)Shannon Wrote: There are more than 134 different things a woman considers before having sex, but for men, it's more likely to be "Will this get my ass kicked?" and "Is it hard yet?"

(02-22-2015, 01:13 PM)Ricardo Wrote:

(02-17-2015, 11:56 AM)Shannon Wrote: There are more than 134 different things a woman considers before having sex, but for men, it's more likely to be "Will this get my ass kicked?" and "Is it hard yet?"

Going through a checklist like that leads me to believe that sex is viewed as a necessary evil by women if they want a relationship. If they really had to consider that amount of things then wouldn't they prefer to stay single or better still a relationship without sex? Strikes me as cobblers.