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RE: Copy protection of AM6 - MJ1 - 06-29-2014
(06-28-2014, 07:53 PM)Shannon Wrote: If you used it... and you benefitted from it... and you could not have used it legally otherwise without paying for it... you have to pay for it to deactivate the antipiracy code.
If you stopped using it at stage 1, you still benefited from it to some degree and therefore it is immaterial if you finished it or not. You would need to pay for your copy of AM5 and whatever else you pirated and used and benefited from.
That said, you can do the 50% discount because you purchased AM6. AM5 was $298 IIRC, so you would need to contact our back end and purchase a legal copy at half price to deactivate the anti-piracy code.
َAll i'm saying is , why you put something in people minds without their permission?
it's more logical to make the pirated program useless not all of them.
i putted all my money on AM6 if i knew AP will effect all programs i would change my mind and now you are saying for deactivating it have to pay another 149$
(06-28-2014, 07:53 PM)Shannon Wrote: And maniac, the antipiracy script doesn't just give you an urge to pay for what you pirated. It also gets you to understand why it's necessary to pay for things, instead if pirating them. The program will work differently... until the AP code is turned off by undoing the piracy, which requires that you pay for what you pirated. But you don't have to pay twice; if you download a pirate copy and then buy a legal copy and delete your pirate copy, you're fine. And yes, you can still get the end goal result. But the program will work differently. It's not just an "Oh, I can ignore the antipiracy cause it's just telling me to pay for it," type thing. No, you really do need to pay for it and turn that code off for the program to work normally.
what do you mean by differently? what if i purchase new BASE after AM?
i do not have many options here because of financial situation.
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - JackOfHearts - 06-29-2014
(06-29-2014, 01:25 AM)MJ1 Wrote: it's more logical to make the pirated program useless not all of them.
From I read Shannon view is better here because with his view nothing become useless. Even a pirated copy.
I think what you really mean was that a pirating user would not be affected if he changes sub and buy the latter one legally. Like you did AM5 with pirating and then you bought AM6.
What would seem more logical for me would be for him to pay exactly the same price that a normal user who go through AM5 then AM6. Which would be AM5 price + AM6/2 instead AM5/2 + AM6 because the first one equals ~550 and the latter ~650.
In this case he would pay only 49$ and a total of 549$ like everyone did with the coupon code. It seems more fair to me.
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - MJ1 - 06-29-2014
(06-29-2014, 03:08 AM)maniac360 Wrote:(06-29-2014, 01:25 AM)MJ1 Wrote: it's more logical to make the pirated program useless not all of them.
From I read Shannon view is better here because with his view nothing become useless. Even a pirated copy.
I think what you really mean was that a pirating user would not be affected if he changes sub and buy the latter one legally. Like you did AM5 with pirating and then you bought AM6.
What would seem more logical for me would be for him to pay exactly the same price that a normal user who go through AM5 then AM6. Which would be AM5 price + AM6/2 instead AM5/2 + AM6 because the first one equals ~550 and the latter ~650.
In this case he would pay only 49$ and a total of 549$ like everyone did with the coupon code. It seems more fair to me.
i find your suggestion even better.yes if i have to pay for both programs let me pay like a normal user.
although i'm still not happy with how AP works.
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - Edo - 06-29-2014
(06-29-2014, 01:25 AM)MJ1 Wrote: All i'm saying is , why you put something in people minds without their permission?
it's more logical to make the pirated program useless not all of them.
i putted all my money on AM6 if i knew AP will effect all programs i would change my mind and now you are saying for deactivating it have to pay another 149$
True, I prefer an AP which deactivate the sub rather than affecting all sub that have been used (this method is used in some of the subliminal producers out there which is xtrememind and hypnotica). Other than that the AP teach us about honesty of using ANY products for its legality -my mind keep on thinking buying legal stuff- which is (for me) not good. I'm the type of using it and IF I got the benefits then I'll buy it.
I have used a pirated AM 5.0 before, and after learning the AP thing I deleted all of my pirate subs. Later that I know I must buy AM 5.0 where I didn't even get the benefits of it. Because of that I'm hesitant to buy AM 6.0 because of the previous AP imbedded in me.
The AP in AM 5.0 that is imbedded in my mind might affecting my legal LTU 5G 3.1. That makes me sad.
I plan to buy AM 6.0 legally, but because of the AP, well I might rethink about.
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - JackOfHearts - 06-29-2014
(06-29-2014, 06:51 AM)Edo Wrote:(06-29-2014, 01:25 AM)MJ1 Wrote: All i'm saying is , why you put something in people minds without their permission?
it's more logical to make the pirated program useless not all of them.
i putted all my money on AM6 if i knew AP will effect all programs i would change my mind and now you are saying for deactivating it have to pay another 149$
True, I prefer an AP which deactivate the sub rather than affecting all sub that have been used (this method is used in some of the subliminal producers out there which is xtrememind and hypnotica). Other than that the AP teach us about honesty of using ANY products for its legality -my mind keep on thinking buying legal stuff- which is (for me) not good. I'm the type of using it and IF I got the benefits then I'll buy it.
I have used a pirated AM 5.0 before, and after learning the AP thing I deleted all of my pirate subs. Later that I know I must buy AM 5.0 where I didn't even get the benefits of it. Because of that I'm hesitant to buy AM 6.0 because of the previous AP imbedded in me.
The AP in AM 5.0 that is imbedded in my mind might affecting my legal LTU 5G 3.1. That makes me sad.
I plan to buy AM 6.0 legally, but because of the AP, well I might rethink about.
So what you are saying is that you get result in the education part ( buy stuff legally) but not in the alpha growing process.
For my part I still pirate some stuff, I try to do it less often but apart from this I still feel free to pirate stuff. I buy them afterward if I feel they deserve it.
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - MJ1 - 06-29-2014
(06-29-2014, 06:51 AM)Edo Wrote:(06-29-2014, 01:25 AM)MJ1 Wrote: All i'm saying is , why you put something in people minds without their permission?
it's more logical to make the pirated program useless not all of them.
i putted all my money on AM6 if i knew AP will effect all programs i would change my mind and now you are saying for deactivating it have to pay another 149$
True, I prefer an AP which deactivate the sub rather than affecting all sub that have been used (this method is used in some of the subliminal producers out there which is xtrememind and hypnotica). Other than that the AP teach us about honesty of using ANY products for its legality -my mind keep on thinking buying legal stuff- which is (for me) not good. I'm the type of using it and IF I got the benefits then I'll buy it.
I have used a pirated AM 5.0 before, and after learning the AP thing I deleted all of my pirate subs. Later that I know I must buy AM 5.0 where I didn't even get the benefits of it. Because of that I'm hesitant to buy AM 6.0 because of the previous AP imbedded in me.
The AP in AM 5.0 that is imbedded in my mind might affecting my legal LTU 5G 3.1. That makes me sad.
I plan to buy AM 6.0 legally, but because of the AP, well I might rethink about.
yes.buying or pirating it's something personal.i understand Shannon has to protect his business but creating something that effect people in long term is not right.something that deactivated current program is best option.also i want to buy BASE but this kind of AP makes me think again.
i live in a country that has no transaction with US.i was lucky that my coach has a account in US.so buying legal on internet it's not and can't be my life style.
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - Shannon - 07-06-2014
If you don't like antipiracy coding, don't pirate my stuff. Simple as that. It's "not right" to --> steal <-- my work. If you don't pirate my stuff, it does not turn on. Nobody else has a problem with it, so don't give me grief about it not being "right" because I don't let people casually steal my stuff. That's ridiculous.
Simple solution: don't steal my stuff, and you won't have any issue. The people in the wrong are the people stealing from me.
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - JackOfHearts - 07-07-2014
Do you guys even read what was wrote in this thread?
The answer has already been written in at least 4 Thread.
I will say it again just so you might understand this time.
There is no waste no matter what you did.
If you pirated the sub you will still get the AM6 results.
If you shared the sub you will still get the AM6 results.
The AP code like Shannon just said you will help you understand the value of things so you stop pirating/sharing/group buy Shannon sub.
So you will have the result no matter what.
Yes you will have the result no matter what. At least it's not the AP who is responsible if you don't get the results.
AM6 is a powerful so this take some time to notice the result sometimes. They might be some resistance too. Read the other thread about AM6 to understand this a better way. The instruction pdf describe this too.
Shannon Wrote:And maniac, the antipiracy script doesn't just give you an urge to pay for what you pirated. It also gets you to understand why it's necessary to pay for things, instead if pirating them. The program will work differently... until the AP code is turned off by undoing the piracy, which requires that you pay for what you pirated.
When I pirated AM5 subliminal I got all the result from it.
Even his AP code is something that was beneficial to me because now I have a better understanding of his product value.
I might be harsh this time but people who don't like Shannon way of thinking with his AP code are just too childish. There is no lost/waste or what ever word you may use because you are afraid.
I hope you understand this time, if you don't then read the thread again, the answer is there.
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - stratos - 07-07-2014
I have been very anti-piracy and pro-Shannon as you know, but I thought it's OK to share a purchased sub within a household (i.e. under the same roof) if it's by playing it through a single computer/speaker system? I don't do this but I thought it's OK to do so.
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - JackOfHearts - 07-07-2014
Sounds like they are more than 2 when I read what he wrote. It may be hard for more than Two people to listen to only one computer. But it's possible. I don't think they did that though.
Plus it would be complex to keep the stereo sound for everyone.
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - TheChosenOne - 07-07-2014
(07-06-2014, 06:03 AM)Shannon Wrote: If you don't like antipiracy coding, don't pirate my stuff. Simple as that. It's "not right" to --> steal <-- my work. If you don't pirate my stuff, it does not turn on. Nobody else has a problem with it, so don't give me grief about it not being "right" because I don't let people casually steal my stuff. That's ridiculous.
Simple solution: don't steal my stuff, and you won't have any issue. The people in the wrong are the people stealing from me.
LOL
Just for clarification guys, what Shannon means by "stealing" is.....
How MANY people are BENEFITING per PURCHASED COPY of a program.....This determines Anti-Piracy Coding
In other words, Stealing defined here is the "traditional idea" so-to-speak (pirating, downloading, etc) AND also includes the uneven exchange in people benefiting from his work versus the the amount of copies of the program purchased (It has to be a 1:1 ratio)
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - TheChosenOne - 07-07-2014
(07-07-2014, 07:48 PM)HughJ Wrote:(06-29-2014, 07:08 AM)maniac360 Wrote: For my part I still pirate some stuff, I try to do it less often but apart from this I still feel free to pirate stuff. I buy them afterward if I feel they deserve it.
(07-07-2014, 05:12 PM)TheChosenOne Wrote: LOL
Just for clarification guys, what Shannon means by "stealing" is.....
How MANY people are BENEFITING per PURCHASED COPY of a program.....This determines Anti-Piracy Coding
In other words, Stealing defined here is the "traditional idea" so-to-speak (pirating, downloading, etc) AND also includes the uneven exchange in people benefiting from his work versus the the amount of copies of the program purchased (It has to be a 1:1 ratio)
In our case, we paid for our copy and as maniac360 pointed out it will work for us. Although, the fee was split, money was exchanged!
My point exactly....multiple people are using a program that was paid for once (This is Shannon's definition of Piracy measures ....not mine nor anyone elses) This is not a test it and see if you like it first arrangement....people who do that A) Get discouraged because future programs are less effective B) Pay for the pirated copies to deactivate APC for future purchases or C) Quit subliminals altogether because of time wasted and not enough money to cover all the past pirated subs
No matter how you justify it, you guys are being affected by the Anti-Piracy measures based on Shannon's definition of what triggers it.....
Plus...he's the only one who really knows what the Anti-Piracy measures are doing, since he's the only one who creates the programs....and since all thought's or suggestions affect you on a subconscious level, why would anyone want that in their mind interferring with the results?!
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - JackOfHearts - 07-07-2014
Speaking of that you make think of something important which to me should not be in the anti piracy code. After you have read a book you can share it to someone and that is not considered stealing.
With software/music/subliminal it should be possible and legal to do that too. But when the content is digital it's often not legal. After listening to my copy of AM5 I should be able to lend it to someone like a book. Not on internet because it would be "too much" but with friends it should be legal, at least if I don't duplicate more than one copy. And even resell them like we usually do with video games.
Clearly we have lost some rights here. I'm wondering what Shannon think about this.
RE: Copy protection of AM6 - adam225 - 07-07-2014
(07-07-2014, 09:22 PM)maniac360 Wrote: Speaking of that you make think of something important which to me should not be in the anti piracy code. After you have read a book you can share it to someone and that is not considered stealing.
With software/music/subliminal it should be possible and legal to do that too. But when the content is digital it's often not legal. After listening to my copy of AM5 I should be able to lend it to someone like a book. Not on internet because it would be "too much" but with friends it should be legal, at least if I don't duplicate more than one copy. And even resell them like we usually do with video games.
Clearly we have lost some rights here. I'm wondering what Shannon think about this.
I disagree, considering the benefits we get off these subs and the work that goes into them I think paying per copy is fair. If people passed around this stuff like video games they'd soon be no such thing as "Indigo Mind labs" and we'd be stuck with the rest of the useless crap on the internet. Honestly, one license per person is fair. If someone else wants the benefits then they (like everyone else) should be paying for those benefits.