(09-02-2012, 08:27 PM)Shannon Wrote: Scientific research is entirely unnecessary to make this sell a million copies. The only thing I need is proper advertising on a big enough scale. Given the right type of and level of advertising, it would probably sell a lot MORE than a million copies. But I need to have something go big before I can afford a proper "scientific" study. I put scientific in quotes, because no matter how well done it is, or by whom, there'll be some group of "scientists" who refuse to believe the trials are valid for some reason or other. Even the best such studies are viewed by the scientific community as being only "suggestive" of what is true. In other words, unless they're repeated ad nauseum - at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars each, typically - nobody in "scientific" circles really even cares.

And the average consumer is so far in the other direction that they just need to hear from one person that something works, and they'll buy it, especially if said person is someone who has used it and gotten good results. So I'm not real worried about scientific testing yet, because A) I can't afford it, and B) it's not strictly necessary from a marketing standpoint.

I am, however, hoping that eventually I'll be able to do scientific tests and trials using my programs, because I know my products do work, and it would be nice to be able to add to the pool of "accepted evidence" in the scientific community, and use the results as advertising... but for the moment, the best I can do is this forum, and word of mouth advertising.

Regardless, it seems as if the scientific community can always find a way to believe whatever they choose to by picking the studies that support their chosen answer, or running one that will. Pretty scientific, huh? So obviously it's useless for convincing them. And most consumers don't need one done to believe their friend who used it that it works.

Anyone has any suggestions for how I can get at least one proper scientific study done on my stuff without bankrupting me, I'm all ears.

Quote:One reason people can always find a way to believe whatever they choose is because the scientific community needs to do multiple trials to confirm results. Very very often initial trials seemingly prove a hypothesis, but then repeated trials turn up with negative results, even when the trial parameters are almost the same. But that doesn't mean the scientific method is unreliable, just that it is a process of refutation (because of whatever bias, the people doing it can be a problem though). So any positive results from a single small scale trial may not mean what you want it to.

Quote:A small scientific trial would cost around $30k I think. But if you do that (successfully), then you definitely have some ammunition for PR. I'm not aware of any randomised, double blind, placebo controlled study of audio subliminals that has a positive result.

Quote:With a really small budget, you could approach and give away your products to people with thousands/millions of subscribers. Let them try it out. Their word of mouth will get you sales. YouTube celebrity partners could be an excellent source (probably a lot of luck needed there). You could also try making your own YouTube videos. Orabrush became well known from their videos. Orabrush is now in over 30,000 stores. They have a doctor as their top guy though. With many tongue cleaners on the market, that likely helped quite a bit. Proof, credentials, helps when you don't have a huge marketing budget. Don't allow any doubt in everyone else's mind that your product works.

(09-03-2012, 01:12 AM)Joe Wrote: Maybe you could do your own randomised, double blind trial. But instead of a placebo, use 3 or more subs with measurable parameters (not a journal), that participants don't mind trying out. Not perfect, but at least it would be easy to get free participants. How about hiring a scientific research graduate student from a local college to perform the experiment? They might do it for a much lower price, or free!

I think you should focus on free marketing rather than advertising at this stage. That could get very expensive. If you have something new and fandangled, people who write or talk want to share it with their audience. But if you want to spend money I guess it can be done (if you have enough money)

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2011/11/02/the-truth-about-abs-mike-geary/

As for the piracy, contacting only reputable list owners/affiliates to partner with shouldn't worsen the problem too much. I think customers are much more of a threat in that department.

(09-03-2012, 06:54 AM)jonathanzx10 Wrote: but if you really stop and think about it, there might be a ton of other unintended consequences too. How many marriages with kids are gonna be broken once the husband figures he can be doing 9's instead of his wife which is a 5?

(09-03-2012, 07:52 AM)Sean Wrote:

(09-03-2012, 06:54 AM)jonathanzx10 Wrote: but if you really stop and think about it, there might be a ton of other unintended consequences too. How many marriages with kids are gonna be broken once the husband figures he can be doing 9's instead of his wife which is a 5?

Your average happily married man is not typically going to be downloading AM. Second, your happily married man who does download AM is usually going to become more happily married when he increases his alpha because the wife he loves is going to respond positively to his increased alpha. Third, AM is not going to disconnect his feelings of attachment to the mother of his children.

We're left with unhappily married men, who were unlikely to remain married anyhow. The children in these circumstances are likely to benefit from seeing Dad in a happy relationship and modeling that relationship than they were watching the cold war of a for-the-kids marriage.

Also, how many of those marriages were doomed anyhow? A large SMV delta is a huge hurdle for a relationship to overcome.

Finally, there is a broken window fallacy, where you are only mentioning the marriages which ended after the man listened to AM and left. There will also be a number of marriages saved by AM because the highly betaized husband turned up his alpha and restored the power balance of the marriage.

(09-03-2012, 09:00 AM)jonathanzx10 Wrote: I am not including AM on this, we were all alpha males once upon a time after all.

(09-03-2012, 09:30 AM)Sean Wrote:

(09-03-2012, 09:00 AM)jonathanzx10 Wrote: I am not including AM on this, we were all alpha males once upon a time after all.

Then I don't understand your point.

Quote:but if you really stop and think about it, there might be a ton of other unintended consequences too. How many marriages with kids are gonna be broken once the husband figures he can be doing 9's instead of his wife which is a 5?

Quote:about the cancer aid, even if you don't charge for it it would make you the most famous person in the world, everyone will want to fund you with millions if that happens.

Quote:Your average happily married man is not typically going to be downloading AM. Second, your happily married man who does download AM is usually going to become more happily married when he increases his alpha because the wife he loves is going to respond positively to his increased alpha. Third, AM is not going to disconnect his feelings of attachment to the mother of his children.

Quote:Finally, there is a broken window fallacy, where you are only mentioning the marriages which ended after the man listened to AM and left. There will also be a number of marriages saved by AM because the highly betaized husband turned up his alpha and restored the power balance of the marriage.

Quote:It is always the user´s intention. If the user is willing to cheat on his wife or leave her, he will do so with alpha or without.

The possibilities of seeing other women, that are attracted to him are just higher/more... Alpha let him just become more of a MAN, that is widely lost in today´s society (wrong role models in television, etc.).

Quote:ok, if we all use AM today, we would have a reversal to old times when all men were alpha. 100 years ago men did not have sex with more women than men today, and they didn't date hotter girls than today. What was different then from today was the dynamic between genders, where the men was much more respected and not manipulated etc. They were alpha, but they were not sex magnets or women magnets ever. the alphas you see today do so well with women simply because they are so rare these days.

1. The average age at which sex started happening was lower.
   
2. The legal age of consent was MUCH lower.
   
3. Men were expected to marry much younger.
   
4. Medical care was poor, meaning that a man might have three or four wives die in childbirth during his lifetime.
   
5. It was much, much easier to cheat... not nearly as easy to get caught. (No cameras, audio recorders, video, or other unattended covert stealth surveillance or communication methods [such as Facebook and Instant Messengers] methods available.)
   
6. It was easier to force a woman into sex.
   
7. Society simply accepted that men were going to stray in a lot of cases; it was just an accepted matter, which allowed it to happen more readily.
   
8. There was a lot less regulation worldwide, so a man who traveled to, say, India, might have sex with as many women as he could entice, seduce or pay.
   
9. Affairs are about as prevalent today as they ever have been. Just easier to have.
   

Quote:alpha is a sub that simply makes you better and could make all better, but subs like sm and wm are supposed to put you ahead of others, therefore not really compatible with the masses. Can we all be above average?