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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - Shannon - 10-10-2025
(10-07-2025, 09:06 AM)Eddie Morra Wrote: @Shannon
Will Optimal Self Confidence Plus be free?
Of course not. Self Confidence Plus was an option for me to make a paid version of it.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - Shannon - 10-10-2025
(10-08-2025, 06:11 AM)Rois83 Wrote: I have a couple more questions about Grounding Shield.
If someone who has resistance to subliminals uses, for example, Optimal Physical Healing, which includes Grounding Shield, will they resist the subliminal but still receive the shield?
I'll explain resistance a bit, since you seem to have a little confusion regarding it.
Resistance to a subliminal comes from some part of the subconscious having a negative response to an instruction because of one of two different things, which both really boil down to the same thing.
The first is that that part fears what would be required to achieve the goal, or it fears what would result from achieving the goal. This is usually an imagined fear that makes absolutely no sense at all.
The second is the case where the instruction directly contradicts a belief held by the person as true. Since my subliminals do not use any sort of political or religious or otherwise ideological programming, this response happens either when someone's accepted world view is threatened with being proven false if the goal is achieved, which generates a lot of fear, or the belief will act as a limiter to the goal or the path to the goal in some manner. For example, someone may have a belief that they deserve pain, so when they use General Pain Relief, they may (try to) resist executing it under conditions that fall under the "I deserve this pain" belief.
Resistance, however, is largely a thing of the past. The scripting methods and the techniques and technologies of the 6th generation of my subliminals will find a way over, under, around or through any and all resistance, as long as they are used properly and for long enough.
So on top of it being very unlikely that someone would even try to resist OPH (specifically) in the first place, if they did, the program will find a way past it and it will be executed.
The shields I have never seen resisted. It is theiretically possible that someone might try to resist a shield if their world view was threatened by this being true (that you have a personal energy field; that it can be manipulated; that it can be used as a shield). But again, in 6th Gen, the program will direct your subconscious in such a way that you will find a way over, under, around or through the resistance. The only way to prevent that from happening is to stop listening to the subliminal.
Quote:On the rest days for some subliminals, such as Optimal Physical Healing, which requires five rest days, I assume the shield isn’t triggered since it lasts only 24 hours. Is that correct?
If so, is it possible to use the standalone shield subliminal on rest days?
The shield lasts more than 24 hours, but not typically 5 days. This is a trade off we make in order to include the shield in the program itself. If you wish to ensure the shield stays viable, you can use the shield on rest days, starting on rest day #2.
Quote:I also have a curiosity about AI and subliminals.
Do you think AI will change the way you work and the industry? For example, with just one recorded sentence, AI can now create endless hours of content in a person’s own voice. Is it realistic to expect that subliminals will eventually use each user’s own voice? Have you tried AI-voiced subliminals?
Thank you!!!
AI will change the way a lot of "subliminals creators" work, but if the creator is at the cutting edge of developing new subliminal methods and technology, it becomes virtually useless. This is because AI must be trained on pre-existing data. In my case, I am developing the technology, not simply using only pre-existing data. So AI is not very useful to me.
I have tested AI's ability to create scripts, and it is downright awful. If given no special instructions, it will give you a bad script 50% of the time, and it would match what I was doing as a 1st Generation script back 25+ years ago before I started doing any research. With extensive specialized guidance that only a specialist like me could give it, it can be coaxed into creating a 3rd Generation script, and occasionally something between 3rd and 4th Generation. In other words, even with an expert guiding it, the training data is so bad that it cannot reliably be made to match what I was doing in 2008.
Endless hours of content in the person's own voice is also useless, if the content uses a badly done script. A bad script can actually be dangerous. The subconscious does not understand spoken speech the same way the conscious mind does. It has taken me more than two decades to master how to word my scripts to account for this accurately in order to get the subconscious to understand the same desire that my conscious mind was aiming for when I created the script. This is also why you cannot simply use conversational speech, or hypnosis or NLP scripts to make subliminals.
In the future, it will be easy to create a voice model of the user and then create the entire script vocalization in their voice, if that is desired. However, that is not necessarily as desirable as it may seem. Why? Because while your own voice will be accepted more readily by some parts of your subconscious, it is limited in certain ways that I cannot detail without giving away certain secrets that I use to make these programs work. Furthermore, those issues can be overcome by using the right scripting methods. Recording in your own voice is actually much more useful when you're recording hypnosis or NLP programming, which is consciously audible.
I use a Text To Speech Reader (TTS Reader) to create all of the audio from the scripts I build from. It allows me to build much more quickly, with much less cost and no re-takes necessary. It is not "AI", but it is also not human voice acting. AI is useful for making the voices of the TTS readers sound more natural, but the AI itself isn't doing the job of the TTS reader. It's just configuring it to give more realistic output. Not all TTS readers use AI. Not all of them need it.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - Shannon - 10-10-2025
(10-09-2025, 12:02 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:(10-06-2025, 04:11 PM)Shannon Wrote: DMSI includes the short and medium range sniper and they can target up to three females at a time, but the same three females would be active for both of those snipers. It is a maximum of three females at any time.
The snipers on DMSI do not require line of sight. They can affect a suitable female within range even if you cannot se her and have no conscious idea that she exists.
That changes the game!
How does that effect the remote sniping? Do you still have to be looking at or thinking about the same 1-3 people, visually?
The non-visual sniper(s) - don't remember offhand right now if it's one or both that are non-visual - do not rely on you seeing the person. They rely on you being within sensor range of the person.
I would have to pull the script out of archive to verify. Right now, OPH is doing it's job, but the process makes me very tired most of the time, and that makes it hard to remember certain things like that among the hundreds of pages of script that DMSI represents. But I believe I remember that one of the snipers must be visual at least, because people have used visualization or photos or videos to snipe in the past. When I get further along with OPH and it's not making me so tired all the time, remind me to look that up in the script.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - EvolvingPhoenix - 10-10-2025
(10-10-2025, 09:24 PM)Shannon Wrote:(10-09-2025, 12:02 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: That changes the game!
How does that effect the remote sniping? Do you still have to be looking at or thinking about the same 1-3 people, visually?
The non-visual sniper(s) - don't remember offhand right now if it's one or both that are non-visual - do not rely on you seeing the person. They rely on you being within sensor range of the person.
I would have to pull the script out of archive to verify. Right now, OPH is doing it's job, but the process makes me very tired most of the time, and that makes it hard to remember certain things like that among the hundreds of pages of script that DMSI represents. But I believe I remember that one of the snipers must be visual at least, because people have used visualization or photos or videos to snipe in the past. When I get further along with OPH and it's not making me so tired all the time, remind me to look that up in the script.
Right on. Thanks Shannon! Can do!
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - Have at ye - 10-11-2025
(10-10-2025, 11:29 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:(10-10-2025, 09:24 PM)Shannon Wrote: The non-visual sniper(s) - don't remember offhand right now if it's one or both that are non-visual - do not rely on you seeing the person. They rely on you being within sensor range of the person.
I would have to pull the script out of archive to verify. Right now, OPH is doing it's job, but the process makes me very tired most of the time, and that makes it hard to remember certain things like that among the hundreds of pages of script that DMSI represents. But I believe I remember that one of the snipers must be visual at least, because people have used visualization or photos or videos to snipe in the past. When I get further along with OPH and it's not making me so tired all the time, remind me to look that up in the script.
Right on. Thanks Shannon! Can do!
I'd love to know the answer to that as well, but I *think* there is one judging from increased energetic projection I'm perceiving based on visual cues, so to speak.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - StridingStrider - 10-12-2025
@Shannon
Do you know how many stages AM7 will be yet?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - Shannon - 10-12-2025
(10-12-2025, 02:55 AM)StridingStrider Wrote: @Shannon
Do you know how many stages AM7 will be yet?
Between 4 and 8. I can't calculate the optimal specific number right now, so I'm just working on the Master Key Script that the stage sub-scripts will be developed from. Last I was able to run the models for this, it appeared to be suggesting at least 6. However, it takes multiple runs of the models on these really important questions to make sure the answer is stable and correct. I have only gotten to run the models once on that so far. So specifics can still change.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - MegaMan - 10-13-2025
Shortened quote for brevity:
(10-10-2025, 09:20 PM)Shannon Wrote:(10-08-2025, 06:11 AM)Rois83 Wrote: On the rest days for some subliminals, such as Optimal Physical Healing, which requires five rest days, I assume the shield isn’t triggered since it lasts only 24 hours. Is that correct?
If so, is it possible to use the standalone shield subliminal on rest days?
The shield lasts more than 24 hours, but not typically 5 days. This is a trade off we make in order to include the shield in the program itself. If you wish to ensure the shield stays viable, you can use the shield on rest days, starting on rest day #2.
Does this advice regarding the grounding shield apply to all 6G subliminals? The description of the 6G Grounding Shield just states: "For Use With Another 6G program: Use this program for 100 minutes per day, without interruptions. Use it for as many days as you want the effects." and I thought that meant to use it every day for full protection, even on off days of the main subliminal. Did I overuse the shield?
What should the usage pattern of the 6G Grounding Shield be when using it together with 6G UMSv3.1 ? In case the stage is relevant I am currently on stage 2.
Thank you for your help and the shield is truly awesome.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - Shannon - 10-13-2025
(10-13-2025, 01:15 PM)MegaMan Wrote: Shortened quote for brevity:
(10-10-2025, 09:20 PM)Shannon Wrote: The shield lasts more than 24 hours, but not typically 5 days. This is a trade off we make in order to include the shield in the program itself. If you wish to ensure the shield stays viable, you can use the shield on rest days, starting on rest day #2.
Does this advice regarding the grounding shield apply to all 6G subliminals? The description of the 6G Grounding Shield just states: "For Use With Another 6G program: Use this program for 100 minutes per day, without interruptions. Use it for as many days as you want the effects." and I thought that meant to use it every day for full protection, even on off days of the main subliminal. Did I overuse the shield?
What should the usage pattern of the 6G Grounding Shield be when using it together with 6G UMSv3.1 ? In case the stage is relevant I am currently on stage 2.
Thank you for your help and the shield is truly awesome.
When a subliminal has a shield built in, but has more than a day off per usage cycle, you can supplement the in-built shield during the off days by using a stand alone shield on days off 2+, but you would stop using it when you start using the program again.
If the primary title does not use an inbuilt shield, then use the stand alone shield exactly according to the directions.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - StridingStrider - 10-18-2025
@Shannon
E7 Wrote:Q: Does this program have the Fear Removal Module?
A: In this version, the Fear Removal Module has been replaced with the script of Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear, along with a new, more gentle approach to fear removal that is more gentle for emotional healing work.
Could you expand on this a bit further? How does E7 deal with fear removal without the FRM?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - Have at ye - 10-18-2025
(10-18-2025, 03:25 AM)StridingStrider Wrote: @Shannon
E7 Wrote:Q: Does this program have the Fear Removal Module?
A: In this version, the Fear Removal Module has been replaced with the script of Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear, along with a new, more gentle approach to fear removal that is more gentle for emotional healing work.
Could you expand on this a bit further? How does E7 deal with fear removal without the FRM?
I can give some hands-on experience on the difference between E7 and the FRM in DMSI 5.1.
The FRM is more fast-acting and really rapidly transumtes fear into more positive emotions. The OGSG in E7 is slower and seem to require more user input and work - but it does have pain relief in addition to that, so as to make the job easier.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - Michelangelo - 10-19-2025
Hello @Shannon can you please explain how our subconscious mind can even make sense of or understand the subliminal suggestions and how they are even effective considering the following…
I still have quite the mental hang-up about it because there is simply a lack of understanding on my end.
So first of all, most of the self-development self-hypnosis audios when you play them you can actually slightly hear the voices but not enough to understand what they are saying so that they can slip past our conscious judgment and interference and alter our thought patterns.
With your audios I do not hear anything at all, so then how can the subconscious even make sense of any hidden messages in there and how do we know it is not just placebo?
Second, if such silent noises and sounds can indeed affect us then how far does it truly go, can conversations in the house next doors which you have absolutely zero conscious awareness about also affect us, because the subconscious might process and render them? What about the conversations in the background of a shopping mall?
Lastly, if this is the case then what causes subliminal programs to be more effective then having someone whisper a script in the room next us with the intention of subliminally affecting us?
I would like to understand to what grade and degree the subconscious mind can process and render subliminal information because I assume if the voiced script is too silent then it will never be effective? The pioneering producers of self-hypnosis audios have always said that the voice needs to be silent but hearable. And this is where subliminal producers jump in a completely different realm of possibilities which to them is nothing more than placebo.
What are your thoughts on this? I think I read somewhere you have 20 or 25 years of experience with subliminal programs which is quite a long time to figure all of these things out!
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - Shannon - 10-21-2025
(10-18-2025, 03:25 AM)StridingStrider Wrote: @Shannon
E7 Wrote:Q: Does this program have the Fear Removal Module?
A: In this version, the Fear Removal Module has been replaced with the script of Overcoming Guilt, Shame & Fear, along with a new, more gentle approach to fear removal that is more gentle for emotional healing work.
Could you expand on this a bit further? How does E7 deal with fear removal without the FRM?
How this is done, with or without the FRM, is a secret that has been hard fought for me to learn. I'm not going to share it with anyone who might use the knowledge to compete with me, who comes along at some later time and reads this. Suffice it to say there are ways to do it.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9 - Shannon - 10-21-2025
(10-19-2025, 11:10 PM)Michelangelo Wrote: Hello @Shannon can you please explain how our subconscious mind can even make sense of or understand the subliminal suggestions and how they are even effective considering the following…
I still have quite the mental hang-up about it because there is simply a lack of understanding on my end.
So first of all, most of the self-development self-hypnosis audios when you play them you can actually slightly hear the voices but not enough to understand what they are saying so that they can slip past our conscious judgment and interference and alter our thought patterns.
With your audios I do not hear anything at all, so then how can the subconscious even make sense of any hidden messages in there and how do we know it is not just placebo?
A worthy question that many have when coming to subliminals for the first time. I will endeavor to explain it in a different way than I have in the past.
Imagine that your ears are a microphone, and the signal from the microphone ranges from -10 of whatever unit to +10. Below -10 and no signal is generated; above +10, you suffer damage to the ears that prevents you from hearing.
Now imagine that you have two people monitoring the signal. One has a gauge that only moves when the signal registers -8 to+10. The other has a gauge that registers the full -10 to +10.
The person who has the gauge that registers -8 to +10 will tell you there is no sound when their gauge does not move; but the person whose gauge registers -9 - which is what the sound level actually is - sees this, notes it, and responds.
In this analogy, the conscious awareness - what "wakes up in the morning" - is the one with the gauge that registers -8 to +10, and the subconscious has the gauge that registers -10 to +10.
Subliminals work by presenting a sound that is within this small range where the conscious either cannot differentiate, cannot sense or cannot decipher the incoming signal, but the subconscious can.
You can know it's not placebo by observing what happens when you don't know the program is playing. If it still has the desired effects, then it's not placebo. That is the easiest way to know for sure, but of course that's not easily done by yourself, or in a short period of time.
Generally speaking, it has been my observation that placebo strongly tends to fade out in a week or two. After that, results in most cases must be the program. There are cases where the placebo can become self sustaining, but most people, at least 80%, don't experience that because that seems to come from a fear based need for the program to work, rather than just a belief that it will.
You're welcome to test my programs under scientific conditions to verify that their effects are not placebo. But aside from that, the only thing I can suggest is... if it works, and it works for more than a couple weeks... not placebo. You can also read the article I wrote about what placebo is in the articles section of the forum.
Quote:Second, if such silent noises and sounds can indeed affect us then how far does it truly go, can conversations in the house next doors which you have absolutely zero conscious awareness about also affect us, because the subconscious might process and render them? What about the conversations in the background of a shopping mall?
The "silent subliminals" really are not silent. They're what is known as "umbra ultrasonic", meaning they are pitch differenced to be past what your conscious mind can discern, but still discernible to the subconscious mind. They're actually the same volume as the masking tracks the masked subliminals use.
I have some training as an audio engineer, and it drives me crazy because I can hear and discern things that nobody else can hear or pick out of the sounds around us. I can hear people playing videos on their cell phones in public that my girlfriend cannot for example. I can hear my neighbors a block and more away playing bass music when she hears nothing. Your subconscious is significantly more sensitive to the world around you, through all of your senses, than your conscious mind can - or in some cases, is willing to - be. Far beyond what I have been trained to detect and discern. As far as I can tell, your subconscious can detect and respond to sounds as quiet as about -80 dB.
Quote:Lastly, if this is the case then what causes subliminal programs to be more effective then having someone whisper a script in the room next us with the intention of subliminally affecting us?
First, proper scripting. Nothing else matters as much as proper scripting. If the script is not done properly, you may have a variety of responses that do not match the desired outcome, and they can range from no response at all, to reversed results, to unexpected responses.
Second, the way the script is subliminalized matters a lot. If you try to do the fancy tricks (speeding up the audio, lots of different voices at once, etc.), they can help but too much will overdo it and destroy the effect or render it impossible for your subconscious to decipher and comprehend.
Third, the amount of input required to achieve the effect is determined by the script as well as the amount of input per unit of time. If the script is poorly done, or does not use the special compression techniques advanced subliminals use, then you may need 30 days of use just to start seeing the first results, as the first generation subliminals did.
Fourth,. whispering in an adjacent room will be too quiet, even for the subconscious.
And fifth, subliminals that are properly made and scripted internally optimize volumetric balance and ratios to be ideal when you follow the directions.
Quote:I would like to understand to what grade and degree the subconscious mind can process and render subliminal information because I assume if the voiced script is too silent then it will never be effective? The pioneering producers of self-hypnosis audios have always said that the voice needs to be silent but hearable. And this is where subliminal producers jump in a completely different realm of possibilities which to them is nothing more than placebo.
What are your thoughts on this? I think I read somewhere you have 20 or 25 years of experience with subliminal programs which is quite a long time to figure all of these things out!
I started making subliminals in 1992. I have a little bit of experience at this point.
It is common for people to presume that if their conscious mind cannot perceive the thing, then there is nothing that can be perceived period. But the fact is, again, your conscious mind has a limited subset of perceptual awareness relative to what the sensory organ can sense, and what is sensed by the subconscious. This has to do with your conscious mind being there in part to detect the lion, not necessary to pay attention to the incredibly quiet howls of wolves in the next valley over, who aren't a threat. The conscious mind is very limited in what it can do compared to the subconscious, and how many things it can do at once. So it is required to pick and choose what it pays attention to, and it does not need the wide range of sensory input that the subconscious has access to.
Furthermore, you're making a mistake that a lot of people make in conflating what hypnosis tracks need vs what subliminal tracks need. Hypnosis tracks actually need to be clearly audible to the conscious mind to work best, although they don't need to be very loud. But they need to be clearly audible to the conscious mind because hypnosis relies on the conscious mind to translate for the subconscious mind to understand what is being communicated. The subconscious does not understand conversational speech at the conscious level in the same way that the conscious understands it, so that conversational speech, or hypnotic scripts, or NLP, require translation by the lower levels of the conscious mind.
Stating that the conscious should be able to hear but not understand actually makes the script subliminal, and this range works (sometimes) because it is the low conscious/high subconscious, where the two meet and overlap.
To be sure,most people producing mind programming have a limited understanding of what they're doing, and some of them don't understand enough to actually make something that works. Placebo is real and it does happen. But real subliminals, properly made subliminls, don't work based on placebo.
Here are some examples.
Placebo, according to my experiments, can produce pain relief up to and including the effects of taking 2-3 aspirin, and doesn't do much if anything against direct nerve pain. My General Pain Relief program, which took more than a decade to develop to v1.0, can produce pain relief at around the range of morphine, and does work on direct nerve pain. I developed that in real world scenarios where people were experiencing real pain for real reasons. In some cases, it took me more than 10 years to develop it to the degree that it would even begin to affect the kind of pain, or the source of pain, being dealt with. 24 different prototypes. In the past prototype, which became Version 1.0, it can reduce by 3-4 points on a 1-10 point scale, direct nerve pain that is only affected otherwise by the likes of ketamine or injecting major painkillers directly into the fluid around the spinal chord.
It also stacks with chemical painkillers. You cannot become addicted to it, you cannot get high on it, and you cannot overdose on it. It is the only thing we have ever found that works for the stomach cramps my girlfriend gets whenever she eats beef. It is the only thing I have ever found that works on my cluster headaches. This is not placebo.
There are a lot of programs I have created like this. Aphrodisiacs we have done a lot of blind and double blind testing on, which all work well. Healing programs that surprise experienced doctors with how fast bones heal. Damaged cartilage in the knees, which doctors said couldn't be healed, regenerating. And these things happening during experiments where the subject knows they are part of an experiment (with consent), but does not know when the program is being played, or what it's supposed to be doing.
If you don't want to believe me... do your own scientific testing. I'm currently gearing up to do formal, double blind clinical trials on some of these programs. But if you do your own scientific testing, please make sure to adhere to rigorous scientific standards and do the tests with no bias. I can't tell you how many "scientific studies" I have read that ended up being useless regarding subliminals because upon closer examination, there was a bias for or against that may have (probably did) influenced the results. That's why I stopped relying on someone else's experiments and started doing my own.
And if you do scientific testing on your own, avoid doing testing on subliminal titles that are fragile, like the ones that are trying to manifest things. Those are hard to get to work even under the best conditions because they are so sensitive to disrupting forces from the user, never mind those around them, if there is any fear, skepticism, etc. Choose a title that you can do serious measurements on.
Edit: Oh, and please be sure to test our latest technology level, 6th Gen if you try to do scientific testing on your own.