(08-22-2025, 08:26 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-22-2025, 04:16 AM)London1 Wrote: Im starting to believe and i think others too are starting to believe these things dont work.

The description of DMSI makes it seem like some magical thing with guaranteed results but its far from that, its all a sham (im not saying this is Shannon's intention)

That sounds a bit like projection.  I tried to be as factual as possible in the description of DMSI, and the result is a very long, very boring description that is absolutely awful "ad copy".  If I was to write the description as "ad copy", then you might have a point. As for guaranteed results, why would I have so many caveats and disclaimers if there were guaranteed results?  I have that because the responses guys have given over time to previous versions have been so wildly disparate.  You can easily see that by looking up past results.  We do have a money back guarantee, if you purchased DMSI v5 and you ask for a refund within the time limit PayPal will allow for it (I think 90 days, but it's in the refund policy if you want to look) and have followed the instructions... but there is nowhere in the product description where I say that the results are magical or guaranteed for everybody.

Your results will depend on your unique circumstances.  If you use it properly and you give it the necessary time to do what it needs to do to achieve the goal, you should achieve the goal (sex, most likely initiated by her).  The key here is... use it, use it properly, and give it time.  Remember, the reason you're not getting what you want without it boils down to fear.  The fear removal module can get you through that, but you cannot remove fear faster than your fearful parts can handle the process.  If you try, it just makes the fear worse.  I don't dictate how fast that process goes - you do.  For some people this takes more time, and for some, less time.  It may require several months.  

Quote:If you can't get laid without DMSI, you can't get laid with it. Anything that does happen is placebo; you believing that something will change because you believe you're doing this secret thing that one else knows about. Its not the sub itself. Same for all other subs i think.

I've been using OGSF for months now, payed $650, and no difference at all. Idk really what justifies this price.

This is not accurate.  I have seen guys who couldn't get laid without it who did (and have) gotten laid with it.  Multiple times.

And if you think that anything that does happen is placebo, then you're always going to chalk up what it does accomplish as placebo and insist that it did nothing.  We have a few guys who consistently do this, and they're still virgins.  It doesn't help you achieve the goals.  In fact I dare say that what you're actually doing here is watching your fearful subconscious try to manipulate your conscious mind with beliefs that will prevent DMSI from working, or if it does manage to achieve something through this faulty thinking, you have an excuse to still say it didn't work.

Go read the article I wrote on "What is placebo?"  Then consider that we could not stay in business if these subliminals were only producing placebo effects.  They're too expensive for that.

If you've arrived at thinking that all of my subs only work on placebo, then there are two things going on.  First, the sneaky subconscious effort to prevent you from getting results, which is done out of a fear of being controlled by the subliminals usually and sometimes also a fear of what it means if the subliminal does work (you may have a world view that needs changing, which can be very scary); also, it is common for you subconsciously to be very afraid of achieving the goal of the program.  But if you're not getting results from multiple of my subliminals, then you're almost certainly dealing with the first and or second issues.  

I suggest you also go read the post about the types of resistance and how to spot them, if you have not already done so. There are types of resistance that do all sorts of things, including trying to hide the results from your conscious awareness so you believe nothing is happening.  As for OGSF, I know someone who gets such good results from it that it would be over her dead body that she stopped using it.  

Don't fall for the faulty logic of thinking that just because you are having trouble, that none of them work for anyone else.  Believe me, again... we could not stay in business if that was the case.  And now that I am back from vacation, let me know if you have any questions in my response thread.

(08-23-2025, 05:32 PM)London1 Wrote:

(08-22-2025, 08:26 AM)Shannon Wrote: That sounds a bit like projection.  I tried to be as factual as possible in the description of DMSI, and the result is a very long, very boring description that is absolutely awful "ad copy".  If I was to write the description as "ad copy", then you might have a point. As for guaranteed results, why would I have so many caveats and disclaimers if there were guaranteed results?  I have that because the responses guys have given over time to previous versions have been so wildly disparate.  You can easily see that by looking up past results.  We do have a money back guarantee, if you purchased DMSI v5 and you ask for a refund within the time limit PayPal will allow for it (I think 90 days, but it's in the refund policy if you want to look) and have followed the instructions... but there is nowhere in the product description where I say that the results are magical or guaranteed for everybody.

Your results will depend on your unique circumstances.  If you use it properly and you give it the necessary time to do what it needs to do to achieve the goal, you should achieve the goal (sex, most likely initiated by her).  The key here is... use it, use it properly, and give it time.  Remember, the reason you're not getting what you want without it boils down to fear.  The fear removal module can get you through that, but you cannot remove fear faster than your fearful parts can handle the process.  If you try, it just makes the fear worse.  I don't dictate how fast that process goes - you do.  For some people this takes more time, and for some, less time.  It may require several months.  



This is not accurate.  I have seen guys who couldn't get laid without it who did (and have) gotten laid with it.  Multiple times.

And if you think that anything that does happen is placebo, then you're always going to chalk up what it does accomplish as placebo and insist that it did nothing.  We have a few guys who consistently do this, and they're still virgins.  It doesn't help you achieve the goals.  In fact I dare say that what you're actually doing here is watching your fearful subconscious try to manipulate your conscious mind with beliefs that will prevent DMSI from working, or if it does manage to achieve something through this faulty thinking, you have an excuse to still say it didn't work.

Go read the article I wrote on "What is placebo?"  Then consider that we could not stay in business if these subliminals were only producing placebo effects.  They're too expensive for that.

If you've arrived at thinking that all of my subs only work on placebo, then there are two things going on.  First, the sneaky subconscious effort to prevent you from getting results, which is done out of a fear of being controlled by the subliminals usually and sometimes also a fear of what it means if the subliminal does work (you may have a world view that needs changing, which can be very scary); also, it is common for you subconsciously to be very afraid of achieving the goal of the program.  But if you're not getting results from multiple of my subliminals, then you're almost certainly dealing with the first and or second issues.  

I suggest you also go read the post about the types of resistance and how to spot them, if you have not already done so. There are types of resistance that do all sorts of things, including trying to hide the results from your conscious awareness so you believe nothing is happening.  As for OGSF, I know someone who gets such good results from it that it would be over her dead body that she stopped using it.  

Don't fall for the faulty logic of thinking that just because you are having trouble, that none of them work for anyone else.  Believe me, again... we could not stay in business if that was the case.  And now that I am back from vacation, let me know if you have any questions in my response thread.

Im sorry if my post sounded rude

• The people in my life that I talk to regularly seem to just want to chat and chat and go on with no real end unless they absolutely have to go.
  
• Met up with a former coworker who I found difficult to talk to when we met up previously for work, and he wouldn't stop talking about all sorts of stuff over the course of two days.
  

• Was walking home one night and saw an attractive woman wearing a yukata on the way to a party. Always a good combination. She was on the phone, and I gave her a few glances as I walked past her. Then from right behind me, I hear -- loudly -- what translates to the effect of, "This guy is checking me out." So she was basically inviting a comment from me. I didn't feel any aura or anything but based on the explanation about the fear module, I'd say it was an opportunity to work through the fear of directly complimenting strange women. Didn't say anything though. 
  
• Went to a baseball game and went to grab food with a dude in my group during a break between innings. On the way back to our seats, I catch the eyes of two young, attractive girls of questionable age -- could be legal or could be slightly underage -- standing quite some distance from us in a crowd, and one of them can't stop giggling and looking at me and then looking away repeatedly. I looked back to check them out one more time and they kind of half-heartedly walked up to where we had been and then turned around and ran away back into the crowd... it was weird.
  

Quote:Went to a baseball game and went to grab food with a dude in my group during a break between innings. On the way back to our seats, I catch the eyes of two young, attractive girls of questionable age -- could be legal or could be slightly underage -- standing quite some distance from us in a crowd, and one of them can't stop giggling and looking at me and then looking away repeatedly. I looked back to check them out one more time and they kind of half-heartedly walked up to where we had been and then turned around and ran away back into the crowd... it was weird.

(08-27-2025, 12:24 PM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:Went to a baseball game and went to grab food with a dude in my group during a break between innings. On the way back to our seats, I catch the eyes of two young, attractive girls of questionable age -- could be legal or could be slightly underage -- standing quite some distance from us in a crowd, and one of them can't stop giggling and looking at me and then looking away repeatedly. I looked back to check them out one more time and they kind of half-heartedly walked up to where we had been and then turned around and ran away back into the crowd... it was weird.

This was a HUGE hit.  Not just one, but TWO of them, reacting in kind, at the same time, without getting upset with each other?  They usually will either defer to one or the other so only one will respond, or rarely, they will start fighting over who gets to be interested.

Giggling like that, and looking at you and looking away repeatedly is- in "womanese" - about as blatant as a "girl" will get in saying, "Hey, you, I think you're hot, I really like you, please come talk to me because I'm to scared to come talk to you."

Women don't usually use this giggle tactic, but girls will often do this.  When this happens, it is a BIG hit, and an invitation for you to approach and talk to her.  When I got this kind of response when I was younger, I would usually blow it, but I found that it worked well to smile, make direct eye contact, wink (maybe with a nod) and do something else (communicating, "Hey, I see you, I like you too, but you're going to have to approach me.") or I would walk over and say something like, "What's so funny,is my hair sticking up or something?" in a playful way.  It would break the ice and let some conversation start. 

This is just a light suggestion because things may be different based on where you are and various other factors.

But seriously... when a girl does that and giggles, the more she looks at you and looks away and back at you, and the more she giggles, the more she is communicating (in "woman-ese", or maybe "girl-ese") that she finds you VERY attractive and she REALLY wants you to approach and talk to her.  Her doing even this invites criticism from other girls, who understand exactly what she is doing and communicating, and they may tease her for it.

You are definitely making progress!

By the way, don't try to do the "Extreme Hard Cases" instructions.  Stick with Hard Case for at least 3 or 4 months.

(08-27-2025, 12:24 PM)Shannon Wrote: You are definitely making progress!

By the way, don't try to do the "Extreme Hard Cases" instructions.  Stick with Hard Case for at least 3 or 4 months.