(11-12-2019, 01:54 PM)Z-Man Wrote: A You

(11-12-2019, 10:28 AM)Shannon Wrote: I have been aware for a long time that adjusting genes and epigenetics with subliminals was either happening as a result of the existing scripts or going to be something that would eventually "become a thing" in subliminals.    To the best of my knowledge, other subliminals producers have been directly attempting to manipulate or adjust genetics using their programs for at least the last couple years.


I'd like to know what you guys and gals think of this.  Are you comfortable with me putting scripting in my programs that directs your subconscious to adjust, influence or manipulate your genetics or epigenetics to better achieve the goals of the program?  

Keep in mind that I do not release to the public something that I would not use myself - with the obvious exception of programs designed specifically for women instead of men.

I have the knowledge to do this now.  Is this something you guys are comfortable with?

Shannon, would you be able to create it to tone your body and have six pack abs? I think that is a great idea, why not take the goals to another level.

(11-12-2019, 02:03 PM)sushi521 Wrote: That would be great! I think subliminals, depending on the goal of the program,  already influences our gene expressions even without explicit statements in them, just like the food we eat can influence gene expressions. 

Quote:And changing the genes themselves would be great for curing  genetic disorders/diseases.

(11-12-2019, 03:17 PM)Hatman Wrote: I was just thinking about this yesterday. And I would say yes as I am starting to believe that the source of the initial fear is biological in nature. I have my own reasoning, but if anyone thinks otherwise feel free to share.

(11-12-2019, 11:54 PM)tolgaocal80 Wrote: Sorry for my misunderstood ,if I understood you correctly Shannon, do you mean "not just changing behaviours and thinking patterns for accomplish that wanted goals, but also changing genetics about that goals. "
for example Penis Enlargement sub with effects on epigenetics or genes, or changing eye color?
I think with this way it becomes possible to cure some eye conditions too.  

But is this will be effective enough for a real change ?
And this effects will past next generations  i.e my son?
What about possible resistances?

Quote:But is this will be effective enough for a real change ? 

Quote:And this effects will past next generations  i.e my son?

Quote:What about possible resistances?

(11-13-2019, 12:39 PM)CatMan Wrote: Two thoughts on this:

1. Sounds intriguing. Not sure how far that theory about changing them can be taken, or what exactly would be changed, or if it should be. Seems potentially dangerous on one front. But, lining up something as such, in line with a program's goal, could probably be a net benefit in theory. Bit of apprehension...but with more clear information on the scope, and proof it actually works, that may be remedied.

Quote:2. However, it sounds like a herculean task and nowhere near practical. Especially since something like DMSI continues to struggle mightily due to "fear" as you say. So, if such a deadlock still exists there, just how practical is it to try to rewrite someone's genes to ally with the script while it continues to under perform?

Maybe more of a focus should be made towards full execution of the program(s) as is first. Adding this in as an "add-on enhancement" afterwards, or alongside but with the main focus on executing the program.

Otherwise, I feel it's like trying to develop nuclear energy before inventing fire. The reach exceeds the grasp.

(11-13-2019, 04:03 PM)ImFreeman Wrote: What kind of results do you think you can produce ?

Quote:How much change can be had in a grownups body ?
Either way I'd say GO FOR IT !

(11-14-2019, 04:12 AM)tolgaocal80 Wrote: I was thinking about healing some mental disorders with subliminals, I mean not some chromosome illnesses like Down sendyrome etc, but bipolar disorder,  manic depressive, schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder etc. too many mental disorders are not genetic illnesses.

for example, some types of paralysis are not related to loss of neural communication, but merely a state of "unresponsiveness" because they do not know how to react to the extreme situations around them.

I think the issue is only in them conscious minds, their subconsious minds should know their body is not healthy and, maybe already trying to heal the person who ill, but dont know how to do and this creates a chaos in them. Imo subconcious shouldn't be ill, because all body functions working properly except mind.

well this is just an idea it is not related to the question asked but I am wondering that a while, is that could be?

(11-14-2019, 07:30 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-12-2019, 02:03 PM)sushi521 Wrote: That would be great! I think subliminals, depending on the goal of the program,  already influences our gene expressions even without explicit statements in them, just like the food we eat can influence gene expressions. 

I would tend to agree, based on what I have seen.  

Quote:And changing the genes themselves would be great for curing  genetic disorders/diseases.

I'm not a medical doctor, so I'm not allowed to claim a "cure" for anything.  I certainly do not yet know whether it is even possible for me to do things like that through subliminals.  I do know that I can give subliminal instructions that cause the subconscious to interact with and make adjustments to the genetic material in your body and adjust epigenetics.  It is not clear exactly to what degree this is possible, or what all is possible to actually do with it, yet.

(11-14-2019, 07:33 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-12-2019, 03:17 PM)Hatman Wrote: I was just thinking about this yesterday. And I would say yes as I am starting to believe that the source of the initial fear is biological in nature. I have my own reasoning, but if anyone thinks otherwise feel free to share.

I believe that the source of initial fear is not biological.  I believe that experiencing your fears and focusing on them again and again trains the brain to make fear a habit, which can be un-learned.

I'm not currently thinking that genetic adjustment will be helpful for dealing with fear, although who knows.  Maybe it will be.  Right now, I'm working on making the MHS program heal you down to the smallest parts, and the models indicate that having a statement included that points that healing at your genetic material is beneficial.  That is what the first use of this technology would be.

(11-14-2019, 07:59 AM)Shannon Wrote: Your comment about underperformance is just a dig.  There's no reason we would make DMSI a Type G program, and DMSI is experimental.  We also know that other programs get very different results.  So there was no need for that comment other than to try to get my goat, I think.

(11-15-2019, 01:36 AM)Shawn Wrote:

(11-14-2019, 07:33 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-12-2019, 03:17 PM)Hatman Wrote: I was just thinking about this yesterday. And I would say yes as I am starting to believe that the source of the initial fear is biological in nature. I have my own reasoning, but if anyone thinks otherwise feel free to share.

I believe that the source of initial fear is not biological.  I believe that experiencing your fears and focusing on them again and again trains the brain to make fear a habit, which can be un-learned.

I'm not currently thinking that genetic adjustment will be helpful for dealing with fear, although who knows.  Maybe it will be.  Right now, I'm working on making the MHS program heal you down to the smallest parts, and the models indicate that having a statement included that points that healing at your genetic material is beneficial.  That is what the first use of this technology would be.

If a certain fearful response was created by a stimulus then it was most likely also manifested on epigenetic level through methylation and acetylation. In this case affecting these areals could not even help, but it may be one of the key elements to regulate the fear to normal levels. 

We have been always thinking about fear as root of everything, but there is also the other way around. For example certain imbalances, infections or other elements on body level can cause fear as symptom. Think for example on someone with diabetes and low blood sugar. He might develop fear, but in this case it would be only a symptom and removing the fear wouldn’t change anything about the blood sugar level.

(11-16-2019, 07:20 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-15-2019, 01:36 AM)Shawn Wrote:

(11-14-2019, 07:33 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-12-2019, 03:17 PM)Hatman Wrote: I was just thinking about this yesterday. And I would say yes as I am starting to believe that the source of the initial fear is biological in nature. I have my own reasoning, but if anyone thinks otherwise feel free to share.

I believe that the source of initial fear is not biological.  I believe that experiencing your fears and focusing on them again and again trains the brain to make fear a habit, which can be un-learned.

I'm not currently thinking that genetic adjustment will be helpful for dealing with fear, although who knows.  Maybe it will be.  Right now, I'm working on making the MHS program heal you down to the smallest parts, and the models indicate that having a statement included that points that healing at your genetic material is beneficial.  That is what the first use of this technology would be.

If a certain fearful response was created by a stimulus then it was most likely also manifested on epigenetic level through methylation and acetylation. In this case affecting these areals could not even help, but it may be one of the key elements to regulate the fear to normal levels. 

We have been always thinking about fear as root of everything, but there is also the other way around. For example certain imbalances, infections or other elements on body level can cause fear as symptom. Think for example on someone with diabetes and low blood sugar. He might develop fear, but in this case it would be only a symptom and removing the fear wouldn’t change anything about the blood sugar level.

It's all a fear of death in one way or another.  The fear from diabetes would likely be fear of the consequences of that disease, pain, disability, cost - and death.  Fear would not be a symptom of anything, it would be a response.  

Removing fear would allow that person to live with a higher quality of life if they would otherwise have been afraid, and some say that a lot of diseases have their roots in fear; so perhaps diabetes is a symptom of fear instead?  In that case, removing the right fear would likely remove the disease.

I have seen a lot of different "disorders" you would never think to attribute to fear, but they turn out to be responses to... fear.

(11-14-2019, 08:16 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-14-2019, 04:12 AM)tolgaocal80 Wrote: I was thinking about healing some mental disorders with subliminals, I mean not some chromosome illnesses like Down sendyrome etc, but bipolar disorder,  manic depressive, schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder etc. too many mental disorders are not genetic illnesses.

for example, some types of paralysis are not related to loss of neural communication, but merely a state of "unresponsiveness" because they do not know how to react to the extreme situations around them.

I think the issue is only in them conscious minds, their subconsious minds should know their body is not healthy and, maybe already trying to heal the person who ill, but dont know how to do and this creates a chaos in them. Imo subconcious shouldn't be ill, because all body functions working properly except mind.

well this is just an idea it is not related to the question asked but I am wondering that a while, is that could be?

I'm not sure I understand your question, but I'll answer what I think you mean.

The subconscious is not a "thing".  It is not separate from you.  It is parts of you that your so-called "conscious" mind cannot easily detect directly.  It can be "ill" in various directions, and in fact that is why most people turn to subliminals.  I believe that the majority of illnesses come from misunderstandings of and conclusions about experiences and "what is" that result from usually young and partially developed brains with limited understanding, experience and awareness attempting to decide "what is what" about the world and getting it wrong.  

I know a girl, for example, who suffers terrible gastric pain 2-3 times a year for 1-4 weeks at a time.  Six doctors so far have found nothing wrong with her.  Of course they haven't, they're looking at the physical only.  Upon interviewing this girl, she suffered terrible psychological abuse by her mother, her step mother, her aunt, her step-siblings and her father all her life.  The knots of guilt, shame, fear, self blame and self loathing this caused her are incredible.  I'm relatively certain her gastric issues are expressions of this internal turmoil, and so far the only thing that has been any help at all are my subliminals GPR-P14c and LTU5.

I believe that directly or indirectly, it is entirely possible that ALL disease and illness starts with an unhealthy subconscious, which is unhealthy because of the experiences it recorded and its inability to know how to handle those experiences, or because it made incorrect conclusions about those experiences.  (In the above case, part of what is actually going on is: "My father was always mad at me no matter what I did to please him, so I must have been guilty of something, because nothing I did was good enough, so I feel guilty and bad, but I don't know why I'm guilty and bad.")

As an interesting side note, she was diagnosed "autistic" for the first 16+ years of her life, but she is clearly not autistic.  The issue is that she was being abused and did not want to talk because she felt like whatever she said was only going to make her father mad, get her in more trouble with her step mother, make her a target of ridicule, etc.