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RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - Shannon - 04-30-2019
(04-29-2019, 09:11 AM)LionKing Wrote: A number divided by zero is not zero, though. Approaches infinity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero
A number divided by zero is "undefined". Infinity is a number too large to represent. Not the same thing.
But let us consider this:
I bake a cake. I tell my friends to come over and divide it equally amongst themselves. They never do. By this logic, a/0=a.
If that is what we go with, then speed = 186,000 miles per nothing, since t=0; therefore the speed now equal the distance, but without time, this has no meaning unless tjepgoton exists as a smear over this entire distance, and outside of time.
Once again, we are left with the implication that light must exist outside of spacetime, in some higher dimensional form, and it is severely distorted in our normal 3+t dimensions, thus yielding nonsensical results.
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - Shannon - 04-30-2019
(04-29-2019, 11:15 AM)Shawn Wrote:(04-21-2019, 06:17 PM)Shannon Wrote: If v = c then we get sqrt(1 - x/x) = sqrt (1-1) = sqrt (0) = 0. So it's not a very small t value, it's literally 0 unless the formula is wrong.
That means that light must exist outside of space and time, thus meaning it must be existing in a higher dimension and it is a warped experience of light that we get here as a result, since that would mean we could not perceive light as it actually is, but as we experience it being within the reference of and limitations of time and space, which it would exist outside of and beyond.
To understand light, then we must consider it in higher dimensions. Unfortunately, this is where my ability to continue stops, because I don't know how to work with dimensions above 3+timespace.
I saw once a documentary saying that matter can't be accelerated to 100% light speed because the energy amount would go up to infinity. Not sure if this is still up to date because it has been a long time since I saw it but it would also indicate that lights operates somehow outside of the time system as the time for normal matter would never become absolute 0.
According to modern scientific understanding, for matter to be accelerated to the speed of light requires an infinite amount of energy.
But by their own admission, and I have heard this from mathematicians and physicists alike, "infinity" is really just them saying "We no longer know what happens here using our currently available tools to figure it out."
Thus it is not to be taken as "impossible", but as in an indication of having reached the limits of current human understanding to go further.
Meaning that it is essentially "undefined".
So given that, the reality is, it would require an amount of energy to accelerate matter to the speed of lifht that we don't know how to calculate, but it is still potentially possible.
I don't know how time could fail to become zero at light speed unless the equation is wrong, or we are again dealing with a number outside our current understanding of how to calculate.
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - LionKing - 04-30-2019
(04-30-2019, 11:45 AM)Shannon Wrote:(04-29-2019, 09:11 AM)LionKing Wrote: A number divided by zero is not zero, though. Approaches infinity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero
A number divided by zero is "undefined". Infinity is a number too large to represent. Not the same thing.
But let us consider this:
I bake a cake. I tell my friends to come over and divide it equally amongst themselves. They never do. By this logic, a/0=a.
I did not say it is infinity. I said it approaches infinity, meaning that x/b approaches infinity as b approaches zero. The final destination is undefined. You wrote it is zero.
I really did not follow the rest, just noticed that one bit was not correct, so it would likely affect your deductions. I seem to remember something about mass approaching infinity as a particle is trying to reach the speed of light, therefore approaching a requirement of infinite acceleration to reach the speed of light (f=ma), meaning that you cannot ever reach it... But yeah, distant memories.
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - Shawn - 05-01-2019
(04-30-2019, 11:53 AM)Shannon Wrote:(04-29-2019, 11:15 AM)Shawn Wrote:(04-21-2019, 06:17 PM)Shannon Wrote: If v = c then we get sqrt(1 - x/x) = sqrt (1-1) = sqrt (0) = 0. So it's not a very small t value, it's literally 0 unless the formula is wrong.
That means that light must exist outside of space and time, thus meaning it must be existing in a higher dimension and it is a warped experience of light that we get here as a result, since that would mean we could not perceive light as it actually is, but as we experience it being within the reference of and limitations of time and space, which it would exist outside of and beyond.
To understand light, then we must consider it in higher dimensions. Unfortunately, this is where my ability to continue stops, because I don't know how to work with dimensions above 3+timespace.
I saw once a documentary saying that matter can't be accelerated to 100% light speed because the energy amount would go up to infinity. Not sure if this is still up to date because it has been a long time since I saw it but it would also indicate that lights operates somehow outside of the time system as the time for normal matter would never become absolute 0.
According to modern scientific understanding, for matter to be accelerated to the speed of light requires an infinite amount of energy.
But by their own admission, and I have heard this from mathematicians and physicists alike, "infinity" is really just them saying "We no longer know what happens here using our currently available tools to figure it out."
Thus it is not to be taken as "impossible", but as in an indication of having reached the limits of current human understanding to go further.
Meaning that it is essentially "undefined".
So given that, the reality is, it would require an amount of energy to accelerate matter to the speed of lifht that we don't know how to calculate, but it is still potentially possible.
I don't know how time could fail to become zero at light speed unless the equation is wrong, or we are again dealing with a number outside our current understanding of how to calculate.
What I meant before by saying that time won't never become 0 for normal matter was because of the energy problem matter would never reach 100% light speed. This obviously can't be for the light itself, because its speed is light speed. So light must be some sort of exception in the time/speed system.
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - Zeroxmachina - 05-03-2019
"Is time just the illusion of change created by the effect of passing through many universes with slight changes, but each having no time?"
So I can't find the exact video dealing with this, but basically a long time ago I heard it explained that this is pretty much accurate, they used the analogy of every "moment" being like a single frame in an animation/movie, with the only true movement being our consciousness accessing each frame. I don't know how to make that relevant mathematically, but in that sense if there were a way to quantify consciousness itself, it would be way 'faster' than the speed of light as it is capable of experiencing everything (which also means everything in existence already exists) simultaneously. It's our focus point that is limited, but also allows us to have a coherent experience, more or less. It's a given that there are things faster than the speed of light that are still "slower" than consciousness itself, but the level of accessibility to such is another question, as we don't have a means of creating tools above the limits of our comprehension, I imagine. Maybe the self-replicating A.I will, but at that point it would still be a moot point because humans will definitely not be around at the point where that type of super-intelligence is the dominant presence on earth.
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - Shannon - 05-03-2019
I'll just toss this in for discussion, too.
The Emergent Universe
This seems to be modern science catching up to things I have been saying for a long time, and others have been saying for a very long time before me.
But this would be another way to explain why light and time interact in this odd way - if there is no spacetime.
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - Hatman - 05-05-2019
(05-03-2019, 12:26 PM)Shannon Wrote: I'll just toss this in for discussion, too.
The Emergent Universe
This seems to be modern science catching up to things I have been saying for a long time, and others have been saying for a very long time before me.
But this would be another way to explain why light and time interact in this odd way - if there is no spacetime.
Very interesting video. It touches on some of the things that I've been wondering about the mind for a while now and it really makes me think. Thanks for sharing!
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - Hatman - 05-05-2019
This may be a bit off topic, but I wonder if this can be answered by someone.
Keeping goal setting in mind,
What happens when multiple people try to manifest or achieve the same thing through the use of subliminals or otherwise?
For example, if multiple people want to become the best in the world at something, or if multiple people want to acquire something that there is only one of. Does each individual have their own reality and are able to achieve whatever they want to achieve as long as they do it in the right ways?
Or do we all live in the same reality and the person who's the most adept at manifesting/focusing his energy in all the right ways (and better than everyone else) will be the only one to do it?
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - Have at ye - 05-05-2019
(05-05-2019, 07:50 PM)Hatman Wrote: This may be a bit off topic, but I wonder if this can be answered by someone.
Keeping goal setting in mind,
What happens when multiple people try to manifest or achieve the same thing through the use of subliminals or otherwise?
For example, if multiple people want to become the best in the world at something, or if multiple people want to acquire something that there is only one of. Does each individual have their own reality and are able to achieve whatever they want to achieve as long as they do it in the right ways?
Or do we all live in the same reality and the person who's the most adept at manifesting/focusing his energy in all the right ways (and better than everyone else) will be the only one to do it?
Interesting. I've been wondering the same thing myself, albeit pertaining to being at cross-purposes, as I'm having lots of that professionally.
In practice, I would believe that it's a matter of persistence, skill (and/or tools), and energy, as you have said. When it's energy vs. energy at cross-purposes, the one with more power and persistence wins.
And if this fails, I guess you could always attempt to do it in a roundabout way (f. in. change your goal from "being the best in the world" to "being a world-class expert at something", which would be pretty cool in its own right), making sure nobody gets the short end of the stick, potentiality-wise. This might not be applicable to all situations, though.
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - Greenduck - 05-10-2019
(05-03-2019, 12:26 PM)Shannon Wrote: I'll just toss this in for discussion, too.
The Emergent Universe
This seems to be modern science catching up to things I have been saying for a long time, and others have been saying for a very long time before me.
But this would be another way to explain why light and time interact in this odd way - if there is no spacetime.
This stuff is so hard to try to comprehend. Thanks for sharing.
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - Asanti - 05-13-2019
(05-10-2019, 10:49 AM)Greenduck Wrote:(05-03-2019, 12:26 PM)Shannon Wrote: I'll just toss this in for discussion, too.
The Emergent Universe
This seems to be modern science catching up to things I have been saying for a long time, and others have been saying for a very long time before me.
But this would be another way to explain why light and time interact in this odd way - if there is no spacetime.
This stuff is so hard to try to comprehend. Thanks for sharing.
very interesting! thanks for sharing.
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - Asanti - 05-13-2019
I've been pondering if Bermuda triangle could be the entrance to the Inner Earth... and if Inner Earth exists at all or maybe it's not true...
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - DarkPlouf - 05-13-2019
The Bermuda triangle has been debunked. There aren't statistically more accidents in this area than in others.
RE: I'd like to understand this better, if anyone can help. - DarkPlouf - 05-13-2019
Quote:This seems to be modern science catching up to things I have been saying for a long time, and others have been saying for a very long time before me.And that's the sad part actually. Many people know that, and it's not even that hard to experiment. Anyone that dabbled enough with visualization and was adventurous enough to try crazy experiments on other humans or with a partner know how space really is an illusion. I don't know about time because I haven't experienced first hand, but space being an illusion is obvious at a point.
That's the odd thing with esoteric, hidden knowledge. it's right there, absolutely not out of reach of anybody. But nobody's even trying or caring about it., especially the talented people knowledgeable enough to decipher these phenomenons and understand how they work. People like me and you and many others have the data, and experience but no solid scientific knowledge to interpret them. You'll never hear someday that a talented scientist just found why influencing from a distance works. (Hint: space is apparently an illusion).